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3 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

I like what Burkie said about him this morning:   "in a game like the last one, he has to be physical and have at least 6 hits" in order to be effective.  He's getting there...I felt he had a good game despite not crashing and banging a whole lot.  He "saved" some plays for us and was really aware out there.  Like he's waking up.  He kind of reminds me of Edler in being a bit of a sleeper who can lower the boom without warning.  And should more often.

I liked what Bertuzzi had said about a month ago for Virtanen to be effective:

 

"It takes a little bit of time for him to understand the game and understand his role. I would really like see him focus on seven hits, seven shots. Keep it simple. Seven hits, seven shots. That's all you have to do."

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I would like him to target guys like Wilson, Perron, and Doughty. Guys who initiate hits and heavy plays. Those guys have to be dealt with or they suck the wind out of our sails physically.

In other words be proactive, read the play, know who to respond to and when. Much like Stan Smyl, Dorsett, and Raffi Torres used to do. Maybe Hansen at the beginning of his career. He can't wait for Green to tap him on the shoulder in those instances.

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5 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

I liked what Bertuzzi had said about a month ago for Virtanen to be effective:

 

"It takes a little bit of time for him to understand the game and understand his role. I would really like see him focus on seven hits, seven shots. Keep it simple. Seven hits, seven shots. That's all you have to do."

I see what you're getting at.  And loved Bertuzzi's game too.

But, I think there is some revisionist history here, maybe.  Bertuzzi blossomed because: (a) he got a trade that gave him a fresh start (no idea how important this was to his development, but it's there); (b) he got some excellent line-mates: a center who could skate and defend and distribute and Naslund who came of age here with a trade too.  In fact so did Morrison now that I think of it. (c) he took chances, did more than just "power forward" ahead.  

My take on Bertuzzi's comments is that he thinks that Virtanen would be better if he just got simpler, set easier more attainable goals for himself.  Hit X number of times, shoot X number of times.  Sorry, not good enough.

Jake needs what Bert got: team mates he has chemistry with, and a chance to be taken seriously.  Like Bert was. 

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Liking his game lately, he's progressing albeit slowly.  As long as he keeps improving his game the icetime and points will follow.  He's getting better hounding the puck defensively but still struggles being in the right position offensively.  His biggest weakness is the mental side, hard to improve but not impossible.  

 

I know this is blasphemous to suggest but swapping Boeser with Virtanen might be beneficial to both players.  Boeser playing with Horvat and a playmaking winger like Baertschi might have the same success 5v5, I think he'd get the same amount of looks offensively if he's willing to shoot more.  This allows Virtanen to utilize his speed in gaining pucks and entering the zone(hopefully lol), since he likes to be a perimeter shooter Miller the tip in master can take the front of the net.  Boeser and Petey would still play the PP and 3v3 together. 

 

I know it probably won't happen lol.

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1 hour ago, Tre Mac said:

Liking his game lately, he's progressing albeit slowly.  As long as he keeps improving his game the icetime and points will follow.  He's getting better hounding the puck defensively but still struggles being in the right position offensively.  His biggest weakness is the mental side, hard to improve but not impossible.  

 

I know this is blasphemous to suggest but swapping Boeser with Virtanen might be beneficial to both players.  Boeser playing with Horvat and a playmaking winger like Baertschi might have the same success 5v5, I think he'd get the same amount of looks offensively if he's willing to shoot more.  This allows Virtanen to utilize his speed in gaining pucks and entering the zone(hopefully lol), since he likes to be a perimeter shooter Miller the tip in master can take the front of the net.  Boeser and Petey would still play the PP and 3v3 together. 

 

I know it probably won't happen lol.

I like the idea of the triple B line but putting JV with Petty would only hurt him.

 

First that line has a much better JV in Miller.

Second, I do not think Petty has much confidence in JV's O ability. The other night Petty gained control of the puck and lead a 2-1 into the O zone. JV was the second. When Petty saw that it was JV, something about the play changed and it seemed apparent that Petty had no desire to pass it to him. I cannot read Petty's mind and the D was playing the position well. So it is my opinion.

 

In my opinion to get his O ability going, he needs to score some goals. My idea is to put him on PP2 in the faceoff circle that Ovie stands in and tell him his job is to rip it. Keep it simple. I think with his speed he could help with zone entry or playing fetch into the corners. Put Stetch and Myers to play top. Baer other circle and Sutter or Bo in the middle.

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On 11/9/2019 at 6:50 PM, Sandro17 said:

I agree. I would love to be proven wrong more by Jake ;)

I haven't been able to watch too many Canuck games so far this season. 

 

How has Jake looked like a top six forward? 

 

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I think Jake is a solid middle six forward.  His consistency has improved and his focus is better as well.  He has also improved his ability to win battles along the boards.  I think Jake will continue to improve as he has been getting a little better each year.  This is his year to take a big step forward and be that consistent player everyone wants him to be.

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12 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

I haven't been able to watch too many Canuck games so far this season. 

 

How has Jake looked like a top six forward? 

 

He still appears to make low percentage plays at times (Makes poor angle shots as compared to a pass), his hockey IQ could use some work. However, he's starting to look more noticeable on the ice (Although its only been a  few games) .

Having said that, He's still the physical beast he was projected to be with an amazing shot, tremendous speed and boy can he hit. He has clearly improved. Unfortunately, this new level of game play has only been noticeable from a small portion of games and so we have a small sample size to work with. Will he maintain this consistency to eventually become a top 6 forward is anyone's guess based off of his historical tendency to drink and party (Not sure if this has improved in that aspect). Considering this, when he's on his game, he currently looks like he's  a fringe top 6 forward who could improve to a consistent top 6 forward. He still possesses still the raw physical talent to eventually become a first line player assuming his hockey IQ goes up.

Altogether, he's showing that he can fit into the second line when he's playing well and goes down to the third when he's playing average. We can expect him to improve though.

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Love that 7 hits & 7 shots comment too. That's exactly it.

 

The more time goes by I just think Jake is what he is. He's had some good games this year, but its really just been the same Jake. Doesn't feel like he's turned a corner.

 

If Jake can take Berts advice & focus on that I think he could take a significant step, but as long as he's the same Jake I think he's expendable honestly. 

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29 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

Love that 7 hits & 7 shots comment too. That's exactly it.

 

The more time goes by I just think Jake is what he is. He's had some good games this year, but its really just been the same Jake. Doesn't feel like he's turned a corner.

 

If Jake can take Berts advice & focus on that I think he could take a significant step, but as long as he's the same Jake I think he's expendable honestly. 

You know that right now Jake is exactly the same age Bert was when the Islanders decided that he was expendable, right?

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5 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said:

You know that right now Jake is exactly the same age Bert was when the Islanders decided that he was expendable, right?

 

I didn't know that exact fact. Thank you for bringing it up.

 

I hope Jake figures it out, I'm just expressing how I feel. I have been critical of Jake in the past (you can go back the first page here & my reaction to him being our pick) but I hope he works out. I don't put myself being right above the team. 

 

As far as Jake's play, I think its about the mentality with him. And I just question whether he's figured it out. You can tell Bert is pulling for him, (as am I) and I think his advice is spot on. 

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14 hours ago, WeneedLumme said:

You know that right now Jake is exactly the same age Bert was when the Islanders decided that he was expendable, right?

Great tidbit of information... thanks. I will continue to be patient with him as well, I still see mad potential.

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On 11/11/2019 at 3:25 PM, Sandro17 said:

He still appears to make low percentage plays at times (Makes poor angle shots as compared to a pass), his hockey IQ could use some work. However, he's starting to look more noticeable on the ice (Although its only been a  few games) .

Having said that, He's still the physical beast he was projected to be with an amazing shot, tremendous speed and boy can he hit. He has clearly improved. Unfortunately, this new level of game play has only been noticeable from a small portion of games and so we have a small sample size to work with. Will he maintain this consistency to eventually become a top 6 forward is anyone's guess based off of his historical tendency to drink and party (Not sure if this has improved in that aspect). Considering this, when he's on his game, he currently looks like he's  a fringe top 6 forward who could improve to a consistent top 6 forward. He still possesses still the raw physical talent to eventually become a first line player assuming his hockey IQ goes up.

Altogether, he's showing that he can fit into the second line when he's playing well and goes down to the third when he's playing average. We can expect him to improve though.

Thanks for sharing that. I'm excited for Jake, I think he can still improve. His hockey IQ has always been the debate, making bad decisions on the ice. But I think compared to the first few seasons, he's improved quite a bit. I think right now, it's consistency with Jake. I didn't watch the game tonight, because I had work, but how did he fare against the Preds? Noticed that he didn't get onto the scoresheet, but was he noticeable in a good way tonight? 

 

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2 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

Thanks for sharing that. I'm excited for Jake, I think he can still improve. His hockey IQ has always been the debate, making bad decisions on the ice. But I think compared to the first few seasons, he's improved quite a bit. I think right now, it's consistency with Jake. I didn't watch the game tonight, because I had work, but how did he fare against the Preds? Noticed that he didn't get onto the scoresheet, but was he noticeable in a good way tonight? 

 

He had like 5 shot in which some were grade A chances and had like 4 hits

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15 hours ago, dpn1 said:

I was listening to an interview on TSN 1040 with Ray Ferarro and he made a comment about something I found interesting.  if a player is a 15 to 20 goal scorer we would be good for a guy like Jake but that means that on 60 games a season he doesn't score any goals.  The question I have now is  what does he contribute during those days Jake doesn't score?  I think Jake has shown so far this year some constancy to his game that hasn't been there in the past.  

I am not particularly worried about how many goals Jake scores. Important no doubt but his play in the ozone is critical. If he can play a heavy game, with speed he will increase the ozone possession time and the offensive chances he and his team mates will get will improve. Jake doesn't have to be another Bertuzzi but I like what Bert has said about Jake's game. IMO both Person and Leivo have maintained their TOI for the same reason as Jake. They play a heavier game with improved possession time. 

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