Phat Fingers Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 On 12/25/2019 at 1:08 PM, wloutet said: Interesting problem. I was just working last week with tutoring a Foundations of Math 12 student in "lines, or curves, of best fit" and interpolating and extrapolating the results. If I use this data of (2016, 7), (2018, 10), (2019, 15) and (2020, 22), I get a line of best with an exponential equation of y= 0.0689716157 (1.328648205)^x. I know using all those decimals seems ridiculous, but when you round off it really affects the curve. Anyway, interpolating, I got a value of 8.6 goals for the year 2016-2017. Extrapolating I get 20.27 goals for 2019-2020, 26.93 goals for 2020-2021 and 35.78 goals for 2021-2022. After that it gets silly. It's Solstices break, lets not bring home math home work... brain is still processing Turkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 6 hours ago, coastal.view said: yes and so i thought i wonder how big bert really was so went to look it up 6'3, 246 pounds um, so yeah, jake is never going to be that size bert was big big like lindros players bounced off him he scored many goals in the slot as opposing d could not control him the league made a subtle rule enforcement change cuz bert was getting too big of an advantage by his size i'm trying to remember what rule it was, likely something to do with interference OV is that big. Keppen will hit that size. JV is a faster skater than Bert. If he can continue to play smart physical game, he will be the guy JB wanted with the 6th pick. So close. I really want to see him come out of the break playing like he did going in. Confidence is contagious and JV seems to be catching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 On 12/26/2019 at 3:36 AM, kloubek said: While I didn't see the Virtanen I wanted to earlier in the season, he really seems to he consistently bringing his game over the last few weeks. As long as he plays like this, I am happy enough. He needs to play big and pitch in with scoring. He is doing that. While I hope he continues to progress (and very well may), I personally believe we are largely seeing the best we can expect from him right now. If he hits the ground running next season there should be an improvement, but if I am right I hope fans will he satisfied with what we have seen lately. He just isn't going to he that top power forward. With that said, I feel he has an opportunity to really help a playoff series or two if we make it this season. Guys like him can he difference makers. So.... a difference maker at maybe 50 points per season? Good enough - given the draft position? I think so. Hardly the bust many have been claiming. JV is just 23. JV was 17 when he was drafted I think. Slightly older than Brock. While the game he is playing is the style he needs to play, I don't think he has peaked yet. JV is becoming the player that JB says he needs to trade for atm. Playing with Rousell is making a big impact on JV's game. This may be a factor in keeping JV and Gaudette in that line as Rousell is giving them what Miller is giving Ep4p and Brock. Honestly like Pearson and Eriksson on Horvats line. Eriksson looked engaged and, dare I say, energized and going to the dangerous areas of the ice. If I was Green, I would keep those lines together for a while. Getting Eriksson productive would be Adams Trophy worthy. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 8 hours ago, kloubek said: That is exactly it. While you might (ok... you will) get more points out of a guy like Nylander during the season, I feel when the going gets tough, it is guys like JV who you need to win playoff games. Guys like Nylander get checked off their game, while guys like Jake are both focused on less by the opposition, are tougher, and dole out the damage rather than absorbing it. All this, plus the fact that Jake comes cheap and Nylander is (imo) overvalued thanks to his flash and point totals. Yeah it would have been great to have drafted a higher scoring guy in the #6 position, but at the end of the day I think we did ok. I think it should also be considered where would we be right now in cap land if we were paying another 6-7 million in salary. JV would be a fantastic playoff series type player. He is a guy that creates turnovers and can really pressure defenders. If Horvat can get some stable wingers, we have a serious forward group, mix of size and skill. We lack a Reeves type player, but we have enough depth and size to absorb alot of wear tear. 9ne huge factor for our improvement this year is a drop in man games lost. Having a north south player like Jake playing like he is atm is one reason why we don't have a line up of d men in the infirmary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Phat Fingers said: OV is that big. Keppen will hit that size. JV is a faster skater than Bert. If he can continue to play smart physical game, he will be the guy JB wanted with the 6th pick. So close. I really want to see him come out of the break playing like he did going in. Confidence is contagious and JV seems to be catching it. i have always been a bit cautious about jake i see a player on a slow and steady development path requiring patience from the fan base he could still develop into a good quality hockey player i do not see massive upside for him, but will be very happy to be wrong about this not sure how you think jake's speed will result in him developing into a player who becomes a bit iconic about the position he plays in hockey yes, jake can get there, but he is a bit lost when he arrives bert was not as fast (the game is faster today) but he was a smart hockey player and he seriously impacted the game for a number of years he had useful size, hands, and serious hockey iq jake has speed, is inconsistent in his use of his size and hands it is difficult to perceive how he will see and play the game at the highest levels but jake is still developing so we do not know yet what he can fully bring to the team Edited December 27, 2019 by coastal.view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 3 hours ago, coastal.view said: i have always been a bit cautious about jake i see a player on a slow and steady development path requiring patience from the fan base he could still develop into a good quality hockey player i do not see massive upside for him, but will be very happy to be wrong about this not sure how you think jake's speed will result in him developing into a player who becomes a bit iconic about the position he plays in hockey yes, jake can get there, but he is a bit lost when he arrives bert was not as fast (the game is faster today) but he was a smart hockey player and he seriously impacted the game for a number of years he had useful size, hands, and serious hockey iq jake has speed, is inconsistent in his use of his size and hands it is difficult to perceive how he will see and play the game at the highest levels but jake is still developing so we do not know yet what he can fully bring to the team Jake needs to prove it, yes. In the last half a season Jake's game has gotten much better. This is with limited minutes and no top PP time. He hits, pursues the puck and is putting the puck in. He even noted that he has to get engaged in physical play early as it gets his energy up. Is Jake finally putting ths puzzle together or is this another false summit? WtF knows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Phat Fingers said: WtF knows. this!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 1:17 PM, Lancaster said: That's actually a myth. Most powerforwards makes the transition quick as they already have decent size relative to the average NHLer. The whole "powerfowards takes longer to develop" theory on CDC is mostly based on Bertuzzi, who himself was more of an exception than the norm. Most PWF become impact players by age 23-24. Those who fail to be impact players by that stage rarely develop further, usually ending up as "role players". Yes, the bold is exactly my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master 112 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Jake 'Late Bloomer' Virtanen making serious strides, what a guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 10 hours ago, 112 said: Jake 'Late Bloomer' Virtanen making serious strides, what a guy. No matter what moniker you use, Big Tuna or Shotgun Jake, he is fun to watch. Ready for him to have a very strong game against the Kings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 16 hours ago, BCNate said: Yes, the bold is exactly my point. Irony.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warhippy Posted December 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2019 But...Ehlerzzzz Nylanderzzzzz Jake's a frigging BEAUTY!!!!! 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, Warhippy said: But...Ehlerzzzz Nylanderzzzzz Jake's a frigging BEAUTY!!!!! W Nylander is a beauty too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 1 minute ago, DontMessMe said: W Nylander is a beauty too Nylander is s DOUBLE FLAMINGO. How can anyone cheer for a cowardly player like him? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Nylander is s DOUBLE FLAMINGO. How can anyone cheer for a cowardly player like him? Puts up decent points and pretty good hockey IQ from what i hear. But looking back at this draft, if you were a GM would u rather have Pastrnak or Draisatil hmmm Edited December 29, 2019 by DontMessMe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Jake is proving every game why Benning chose him at #6. At 23 he is just coming into his own. At 25 he will be a true power forward who will get 25 + goals. And he will have a game built for playoff hockey. I’d rather have that then watch Nylander skate around the perimeter in the playoffs not wanting to get hit. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock Tower Prison Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 9 hours ago, DontMessMe said: Puts up decent points and pretty good hockey IQ from what i hear. But looking back at this draft, if you were a GM would u rather have Pastrnak or Draisatil hmmm I cheer for Jake even when he's in the dog house. He's the local boy and it's pretty special to watch him finally start to cement his place on the team. But as someone who lives in Toronto and is forced to watch Leafs games at the bar, Nylander has been playing with a lot more intensity this year. He's gained a lot of strength and speed and he's not afraid to be hit while going to the front of the net or retrieving a puck. He's not the same soft kid that was seen at the draft in 2014. It's pretty gross they way people throw epithets towards Nylander and Ehlers to try and pump up Virtanen. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Clock Tower Prison said: I cheer for Jake even when he's in the dog house. He's the local boy and it's pretty special to watch him finally start to cement his place on the team. But as someone who lives in Toronto and is forced to watch Leafs games at the bar, Nylander has been playing with a lot more intensity this year. He's gained a lot of strength and speed and he's not afraid to be hit while going to the front of the net or retrieving a puck. He's not the same soft kid that was seen at the draft in 2014. It's pretty gross they way people throw epithets towards Nylander and Ehlers to try and pump up Virtanen. So true. While virtanen coming into his own is nice to see, he's still nowhere near the heights of ehlers and nylander. Jake has 80 pts in over 250 nhl games. Nylander is on pace for his 3rd 60+ pt season lol. Not to discount jake. Love the guy. He looks great but cdc would be singing a different tune if jake was a leaf and willie was a canuck. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 10 hours ago, DontMessMe said: Puts up decent points and pretty good hockey IQ from what i hear. But looking back at this draft, if you were a GM would u rather have Pastrnak or Draisatil hmmm Mhm. We need a straw to stir the drink and a guy that can play playoff hockey and virt is a lot closer to that then nylander and ehlers. Ask your self this if Jake gets 40 points this year which one would you want on your team when playoffs come? Those two soft guys are a lot easier to replace then Jake. That's where you go to draft? A top three pick and one of the biggest steals?.... to young to remember hall and seguin? Ones a first line center and the other a first line winger and no one really knew who was going to go first and a case could be made for both at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 40 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: So true. While virtanen coming into his own is nice to see, he's still nowhere near the heights of ehlers and nylander. Jake has 80 pts in over 250 nhl games. Nylander is on pace for his 3rd 60+ pt season lol. Not to discount jake. Love the guy. He looks great but cdc would be singing a different tune if jake was a leaf and willie was a canuck. Could you imagine the tune when Willie jumps out of the way of a shot? Or when Ehlers goes Ghost in the playoffs? Man I thought Jake got it bad at times lol i can honestly say if one of those two were Canucks it would mean trouble cause it would mean another decade of Sedin soft hockey..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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