RowdyCanuck Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Alflives said: I don’t know if Jake was lazy, but he was definitely fat. He’s come a long way. Good for him to have figured it out. So I guess Jake is the only player to put weight on to try and make the bigs?..... all power players go threw this even Nathan McKinnon.... also iirc he was just in the gym , while he was that size. Also alf even with Jake looking like that, he could still probably man handle anyone on here and out skate them..... the guy is doing great let's focus on that..... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 3 hours ago, The 5th Line said: So you unblock me just to throw a few chirps? That's super cool and tough of you He was literally fat and his play was lazy because of it....WAS fat and lazy. You enjoy beating that drum ah so every player has to make a impact right away to be in your good books? I know children can be impatient but he was worth the wait..... pains me to say this but similar to the Sedins. Would you call the Sedins fat or lazy cause they took their time developing? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surtur Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Alflives said: I don’t know if Jake was lazy, but he was definitely fat. He’s come a long way. Good for him to have figured it out. In what world is that fat? 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 46 minutes ago, surtur said: In what world is that fat? Fat is definitely the wrong word, but there's no doubt that body fat percentage was too high for an NHL player. NHL standards are far higher than the standards for your average person and it's not fair to compare the two. Regardless, it's in the past and Jake has matured and improved. As can be seen by 5th line's post, even his harshest critics are admitting he's playing well (even if only seemingly reluctantly). 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 5 hours ago, surtur said: In what world is that fat? The hockey world... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 When Jake put on all that weight he almost certainly spent the summer in the gym trying to do the right thing, mistakenly believing that the extra weight would help his game. Anyone calling him fat, lazy and only willing to work hard in a contract year is pretty clearly projecting, and most likely cannot understand the concept of trying to do the right thing. Much better to pity and ignore a poster like that than to repeatedly quote him and try to reason with him. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameburn Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 2:40 PM, ForsbergTheGreat said: I don’t know if I can call Bennett a bust. While Bennett might not be the high point producing player he was expected to be as flames highest ever draft pick, he has built himself out a valuable role in the NHL. Same with Jake even if he hadn’t started producing, I don’t think you could label him a bust as he would has still amounted to valuable bottom 6 NHL player. I think the word bust gets thrown around to easily, in my opinion at least a bust is a player with high expectations that either didn’t make the NHL at all or had a very short NHL impact. (Reinhart, Dal Colle, Filitov, Brendl). I have a really had time labeling anyone who plays over 500 career NHL games a “bust”. I think most players that get labelled bust are really just disappointing picks, or players that never amounted peaked to their forecasted value (Gudbrandson, Bennett, Murray, Johnson). If I had to rank picks I’d have 4 categories Bust Disappointment Meets expectations Exceeds expectations It terms of Jake, If you look at 11 players picked between 2006-2016 and use the average as the expectations, if Jake can become a consistent 50 point player few next years I think I would bump him up to meet expectations and really that’s all you can ask from a GM. Tkachuk, Zacha, Virtanen. Monahan, Lindholm, Zibanejad, Connolly, OEL, Filitov, Gagner, Brassard This year is a breakout one for Jake. Nothing like his previous years. He is making plays -- real passes that lead to goals now -- all while doing decent defensive work. He even plays the point in powerplays now. The fact that he can agitate and defend mates as well as play a generally more heavy game than half the team, means that this guy is entering a new rank/status on the team. The team is pretty deep in the top 6 players you have on the ice: Marky in goal, Hughes on D along with who you think is the second best (Tanev for defense, Edler or Myers for offense? Stecher for both?); Pettersson, Horvat and Miller are your best forwards now, with Boeser slightly better on offense than Horvat, maybe, maybe not. This is pretty good forward depth. Which brings us to Jake. He has to be the next best forward after Horvat, Boeser, Miller and Pettersson. And he is improving, defining his game. I see him able to come into Miller's range, in some ways he is almost there now. If his upward swing is maintained, or even slightly improved, he begins to justify being a top 10 pick. A powerforward who (a) can score/set up plays; (b) hit like a truck, usually cleanly; (c) draw penalties and agitate (he is already better than Roussel at this) (d) cause turnovers on his own; and (e) evolve an interesting power play game. He has to be the Canucks 7th best player, all positions included perhaps 6th because we don't have a D to equal Hughes at the moment. He has been slow to develop into this player, but this player is now in the top 7 on the team, maybe 6. Doesn't mean he plays the top power play, doesn't mean he is on the "top" line (whatever that is right now) but he is that good and that important right now and going forward. Huge year for him. Those two assists agains San Jose were an announcement to the league that he is now a genuine top 6 forward and possibly a top 6 player in general at least on this team which has only 1 world class D man. The combination of what he can do solo, together with what he is developing on powerplays and with the better players (Pearson and Miller, Pettersson too) is making him a completely different player on this team than he was last year, let alone 2 years ago. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 On 7/15/2019 at 10:03 PM, N4ZZY said: I think he can get 30-35 points this coming season as well. Anything more than that, and it's bonus and gravy! He's progressing steadily every season. He's not progressing huge, but steady is better than stagnant. I'll take it - guess that's development eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post J-Dizzle Posted January 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, The 5th Line said: I'm not trying to beat any drum. I've said I'm enjoying his progression and he is exceeding my expectations, he's playing a vital role and the team has been successful so far. I'll ride a players ass if I think he's not giving a good enough effort, and that's what I saw on a lot of nights. It wasn't about impact, it was about effort. Come on 5th. We all know you were griping about a heck of a lot more than a lack of effort. You can’t move the goalposts now that he’s successful as if you always knew he had what it takes if he’d just apply himself...that’s just a load of poop. Edited January 20, 2020 by J-Dizzle 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 6 hours ago, gameburn said: This year is a breakout one for Jake. Nothing like his previous years. He is making plays -- real passes that lead to goals now -- all while doing decent defensive work. He even plays the point in powerplays now. The fact that he can agitate and defend mates as well as play a generally more heavy game than half the team, means that this guy is entering a new rank/status on the team. The team is pretty deep in the top 6 players you have on the ice: Marky in goal, Hughes on D along with who you think is the second best (Tanev for defense, Edler or Myers for offense? Stecher for both?); Pettersson, Horvat and Miller are your best forwards now, with Boeser slightly better on offense than Horvat, maybe, maybe not. This is pretty good forward depth. Which brings us to Jake. He has to be the next best forward after Horvat, Boeser, Miller and Pettersson. And he is improving, defining his game. I see him able to come into Miller's range, in some ways he is almost there now. If his upward swing is maintained, or even slightly improved, he begins to justify being a top 10 pick. A powerforward who (a) can score/set up plays; (b) hit like a truck, usually cleanly; (c) draw penalties and agitate (he is already better than Roussel at this) (d) cause turnovers on his own; and (e) evolve an interesting power play game. He has to be the Canucks 7th best player, all positions included perhaps 6th because we don't have a D to equal Hughes at the moment. He has been slow to develop into this player, but this player is now in the top 7 on the team, maybe 6. Doesn't mean he plays the top power play, doesn't mean he is on the "top" line (whatever that is right now) but he is that good and that important right now and going forward. Huge year for him. Those two assists agains San Jose were an announcement to the league that he is now a genuine top 6 forward and possibly a top 6 player in general at least on this team which has only 1 world class D man. The combination of what he can do solo, together with what he is developing on powerplays and with the better players (Pearson and Miller, Pettersson too) is making him a completely different player on this team than he was last year, let alone 2 years ago. I agree, Jake really has a skillset that this team needs if we want to make a push in the post season. The playoffs are where I really think his coming out party will be, similar to Ferlund in 2015. I know a lot of people will hate this but he has the ability to play in a similar mold of Tkachuk (with less turtling) where he can get under guys skins and get them off their games. It’s a type of style that Jake knows and wants to play. “I have to be able to play that 200-foot game, score and be a guy where teams hate me at the end of the night,” said Virtanen. In a 7 game playoffs series a player like this is crucial and Jake can be exactly that. While he’s be a nice surprise this season, if he really wants to earn his value, he will have to show it come April and I fully expect him to be up for that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannydog Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 33 minutes ago, J-Dizzle said: Come on 5th. We all know you were griping about a heck of a lot more than a lack of effort. You can’t move the goalposts now that he’s successful as if you always knew he had what it takes if he’d just apply himself...that’s just a load of poop. Now hes just fat. that's ,progress. I really don't miss the " hes got 0 hockey IQ" cant teach that crap. LMAO . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I don't think Jake has the aggressive personality to be different in the playoffs, guys like T 42 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: I agree, Jake really has a skillset that this team needs if we want to make a push in the post season. The playoffs are where I really think his coming out party will be, similar to Ferlund in 2015. I know a lot of people will hate this but he has the ability to play in a similar mold of Tkachuk (with less turtling) where he can get under guys skins and get them off their games. It’s a type of style that Jake knows and wants to play. “I have to be able to play that 200-foot game, score and be a guy where teams hate me at the end of the night,” said Virtanen. In a 7 game playoffs series a player like this is crucial and Jake can be exactly that. While he’s be a nice surprise this season, if he really wants to earn his value, he will have to show it come April and I fully expect him to be up for that. I don't think Jake has the aggressive personality to be any different in the playoffs, he doesn't have the makeup or aggressiveness of a Tzachuk or Marchand etc People are all excited thinking he will be a difference, then what about our young skilled, light guys getting hammered, are there no concerns there? We haven't seen Jake in the playoffs and we haven't seen any of our younger guys either As everyone knowing the playoffs is a whole new game of hockey, to expect everyone to excel at the new level, might be high hopes It sure will be fun to find out though (hopefully not disappointing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yung1 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 18 hours ago, surtur said: In what world is that fat? He's definitely above his ideal body fat % in that pic, and that's without even considering that he's a professional athlete. Average man wouldn't call him fat, sure, but the boy's puffy there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameburn Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: I agree, Jake really has a skillset that this team needs if we want to make a push in the post season. The playoffs are where I really think his coming out party will be, similar to Ferlund in 2015. I know a lot of people will hate this but he has the ability to play in a similar mold of Tkachuk (with less turtling) where he can get under guys skins and get them off their games. It’s a type of style that Jake knows and wants to play. “I have to be able to play that 200-foot game, score and be a guy where teams hate me at the end of the night,” said Virtanen. In a 7 game playoffs series a player like this is crucial and Jake can be exactly that. While he’s be a nice surprise this season, if he really wants to earn his value, he will have to show it come April and I fully expect him to be up for that. Playoffs... lol, who would have thought 18 months ago. But yes, he'll be great in the playoffs. And he'll play in them: guy hardly ever gets injured. And he is still improving. I'm curious: what do you think he makes for money this upcoming year? 4 million? 3.5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken. Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 minute ago, gameburn said: Playoffs... lol, who would have thought 18 months ago. But yes, he'll be great in the playoffs. And he'll play in them: guy hardly ever gets injured. And he is still improving. I'm curious: what do you think he makes for money this upcoming year? 4 million? 3.5? I also am impressed with his durability... played all 49 games this year. I am glad I told myself to reserve judgment until midway through the season as to his fitness levels. I am going to throw out a hometown discount deal for 4 years at $3.5M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gaudette Celly Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 On 1/19/2020 at 9:58 AM, RowdyCanuck said: How can you call Jake lazy and fat? Start of jakes career they guessed at what weight he should play at and that Hurt him so he improved and I don't think Jake was off by much for greens standards this pasted training camp but tough love works for Jake and it made him more hungry. Also Jake has improved each year and I think your looking for the word consistent and for some players that comes with time. Calling jake fat and lazy come on man and people get pissy when I point out brocks skating.... Check back in this thread say... between pages 300 and 1000. Non-stop disparaging and ridiculing by him, the frog, and their usual 2-3 other Jake-mocking buddies that polluted this thread daily, calling anyone with patience "blind fanboys" and such. And as if we didn't KNOW he'd come back with "Oh, I knew he had it in him, I've always been a fan." The block feature is what's made this thread bearable the past 5 years. Good on ya Jake, shove that crow right down their pieholes. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 27 minutes ago, Gaudette Celly said: Check back in this thread say... between pages 300 and 1000. Non-stop disparaging and ridiculing by him, the frog, and their usual 2-3 other Jake-mocking buddies that polluted this thread daily, calling anyone with patience "blind fanboys" and such. And as if we didn't KNOW he'd come back with "Oh, I knew he had it in him, I've always been a fan." The block feature is what's made this thread bearable the past 5 years. Good on ya Jake, shove that crow right down their pieholes. Don't get me wrong I'm all for pointing out flaws in a players game but he made it feel like Jake stole his girl or something..... p.s I can't block anyone I feel everyone should hear my ramblings and if I blocked everyone that didn't like my opinion .....this would a very lonely forum lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 On 11/2/2019 at 11:58 PM, N4ZZY said: two point night for Jake against the Sharks. Good on him! I think he's going to have a great year ahead. Super happy for him, and I hope he keeps playing well with Horvat. He's on pace for 41 points this year, and I hope he keeps it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: play in a similar mold of Tkachuk (with less turtling) These guys play with less turtling than Tkachuk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 Fun note for those invoking the MT comparison (and they are totally different players - on many levels). MT - 22 years old, season to date average ice time 18:11.......15 goals JV - 23 years old, season to date average ice time 12:38 .......14 goals Things that make you go hmmmmmm 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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