-DLC- Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 14 hours ago, MrCanuck94 said: Right on Stefan! We gotta have our boys backs when the negative side of our fanbase and media try to drag them for no reason. I don't know that I'm of the "negative side of our fanbase"....I'd argue otherwise. Homer Status here. But there are also no free passes and, in this case, Jake wasn't really doing what we'd expect from someone waiting to get back to professional hockey after an abrupt halt. I'd think most are chomping at the bit and focused there. Socializing is one thing .... so go out with buddies and hang at the beach. I don't personally care that he was in a club...it's reports that he was ignoring social distancing and a mask. Do it right if you're going to do it. Then there'd be nothing to see/talk about here. Those who ignore the basic guidelines in place to protect others don't have an excuse ("reason") in my view. Just wear a mask or keep your distance....it's not that tough if you have any self discipline. Anyhow, done throwing Jake under the bus. He'll have to contend with whatever the team deems a suitable response to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, old guy said: "At the beginning of the crisis, scientists failed to collectively ask basic questions like “does this thing grow exponentially”, said Professor Levitt, Robert W. and Vivian K. Cahill professor in cancer research at Stanford University. Physicists and theoretical chemists “who understand trajectories” were often better qualified to analyse the pandemic than epidemiologists, who “see their job not as getting things correct, but preventing an epidemic”, leading them to overstate the threat, he argued in a debate on the role of science in a crisis. “We should never have listened to the epidemiologists,” Professor Levitt said. “They have caused hundreds of billions of dollars’ worth of suffering and damage, mainly on the younger generation,” he said. “It’s going to make 9/11 look like a baby story.” I'm wary of "we should have" reviews that take place mid pandemic. Those statements and assessments should likely be done after it's over, not during? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, old guy said: "At the beginning of the crisis, scientists failed to collectively ask basic questions like “does this thing grow exponentially”, said Professor Levitt, Robert W. and Vivian K. Cahill professor in cancer research at Stanford University. Physicists and theoretical chemists “who understand trajectories” were often better qualified to analyse the pandemic than epidemiologists, who “see their job not as getting things correct, but preventing an epidemic”, leading them to overstate the threat, he argued in a debate on the role of science in a crisis. “We should never have listened to the epidemiologists,” Professor Levitt said. “They have caused hundreds of billions of dollars’ worth of suffering and damage, mainly on the younger generation,” he said. “It’s going to make 9/11 look like a baby story.” To quote my dad: "WTF this got to do with the price of bread son?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanuck94 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, debluvscanucks said: I don't know that I'm of the "negative side of our fanbase"....I'd argue otherwise. Homer Status here. But there are also no free passes and, in this case, Jake wasn't really doing what we'd expect from someone waiting to get back to professional hockey after an abrupt halt. I'd think most are chomping at the bit and focused there. Socializing is one thing .... so go out with buddies and hang at the beach. I don't personally care that he was in a club...it's reports that he was ignoring social distancing and a mask. Do it right if you're going to do it. Then there'd be nothing to see/talk about here. Those who ignore the basic guidelines in place to protect others don't have an excuse ("reason") in my view. Just wear a mask or keep your distance....it's not that tough if you have any self discipline. Anyhow, done throwing Jake under the bus. He'll have to contend with whatever the team deems a suitable response to this. You're definitely not Deb, wasn't directed at you. Personally, I would not go clubbing right now, but Jake is catching unwarranted heat in my opinion. He was not ignoring protocols and he's being unfairly criticized by people saying he was. There is no rule to where a mask is mandatory unless indicated by the specific company. Everyone was socially distant at the club and as you can see, Jake was with his bubble. It is not selfish for anyone to enjoy life within the mandated rules. Clubs are not like they usually are right now, everyone has to stay at their table just like a restaurant. Also, to those arguing the death rate, it's about saving the % that could die because of it. Every life counts. Enjoy the new normal to the safest that you can by following the rules presented wherever you may go. Edited July 3, 2020 by MrCanuck94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 9 hours ago, MrCanuck94 said: You're definitely not Deb, wasn't directed at you. Personally, I would not go clubbing right now, but Jake is catching unwarranted heat in my opinion. He was not ignoring protocols and he's being unfairly criticized by people saying he was. There is no rule to where a mask is mandatory unless indicated by the specific company. Everyone was socially distant at the club and as you can see, Jake was with his bubble. It is not selfish for anyone to enjoy life within the mandated rules. Clubs are not like they usually are right now, everyone has to stay at their table just like a restaurant. Also, to those arguing the death rate, it's about saving the % that could die because of it. Every life counts. Enjoy the new normal to the safest that you can by following the rules presented wherever you may go. Thank you for this. Thing is, I do change my stance if this is the case...and I have reviewed the Gov't guidelines that show this to be the case. From the picture, it appears Jake is seated and I don't see anyone around him in close proximity. In "hearing" (I hate gossip/rumours) that he was "ignoring social distancing without a mask" (which is the recommendation - "if you can't social distance, wear a mask") I based my opinion on him not being cautious. But if he was, I apologize to him for my misguided opinion. I hope he was following guidelines...I feel maybe he was. I am fearful of the whole "clubbing" scene right now as, generally, it's a place to meet people and, right now, that creates problems. And the Brandi's deal was a bit of a jaw dropper....as it seems this is pushing the envelope and creating an outbreak that really shouldn't happen. But I won't subject Jake to any more of my criticism based on him seemingly following the rules as they're set out. Thank you. This whole virus is a tough go for all of us. I am fearful of it, not going to lie about that. I have very vulnerable family members and so I take none of it lightly. And I still do feel Jake's making choices that don't demonstrate that he puts hockey/his team in the forefront. They're starting to get going/bond, etc. and he's one guy who really has to SHOW he cares. Not just show up. There have been issues in the past that probably indicate he needs to really be all in and this just sort of goes against it. In knowing his teammates have very vulnerable family members, it's just out of respect to lay low until this thing's passed. I am likely directing this in the wrong place though - it's very bizarre to me that strip bars and clubs are open and my damn bank still is not. Not sure if that's their choice or what the hold up is...but this one's a mind boggler to me. Hope Jake shows up and slays it this year....I'll be in his corner either way. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 With the cap being so tight and the Canucks really wanting to try and find a way to keep the top 3 UFA's Marky, Tanman, and Toffs, whether Virtanen gets peddled off to gain an asset or improve a different area. Not saying I want to see that, but MacEwen's emergence and with guys like Jasek, Lind, and Bailey all knocking on the door (not to forget that Podkolzin comes in a year), might make sense to part with Jake, get the cap spent in another area like the blueline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 7 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: With the cap being so tight and the Canucks really wanting to try and find a way to keep the top 3 UFA's Marky, Tanman, and Toffs, whether Virtanen gets peddled off to gain an asset or improve a different area. Not saying I want to see that, but MacEwen's emergence and with guys like Jasek, Lind, and Bailey all knocking on the door (not to forget that Podkolzin comes in a year), might make sense to part with Jake, get the cap spent in another area like the blueline. We could also likely re-sign Leivo for cheap given his injuries and the currently economy/flat cap if we need a 3rd line winger until Podkolzin arrives. Package Virtanen plus maybe Stecher for the likes of Dobson (+/-) IMO. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, aGENT said: We could also likely re-sign Leivo for cheap given his injuries and the currently economy/flat cap if we need a 3rd line winger until Podkolzin arrives. Package Virtanen plus maybe Stecher for the likes of Dobson (+/-) IMO. Virtanen's arbitration rights could limit his trade value with cap space so scarce - not many teams can risk it. Stecher probably has none because of it. The qualifying offer is issued before free agency but the player's deadline to file for arbitration is after the opening of free agency. Arbitration hearings start about 3 weeks into free agency and teams can't walk away if the award is under a certain amount - was some 4.4M last year. Btw NYI are in cap trouble too, so probably need to target another team if the return for Virtanen is to be an ELC with potential. They have Barzal, Toews and Pulock to extend and add a backup goalie but only have about 12M in cap space. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 8 hours ago, mll said: Virtanen's arbitration rights could limit his trade value with cap space so scarce - not many teams can risk it. Stecher probably has none because of it. The qualifying offer is issued before free agency but the player's deadline to file for arbitration is after the opening of free agency. Arbitration hearings start about 3 weeks into free agency and teams can't walk away if the award is under a certain amount - was some 4.4M last year. Btw NYI are in cap trouble too, so probably need to target another team if the return for Virtanen is to be an ELC with potential. They have Barzal, Toews and Pulock to extend and add a backup goalie but only have about 12M in cap space. I was presuming they get moved over the next season, after they're re-signed. And yes, I'm aware of their cap situation. Perhaps we even consider taking Ladd on for Dobson and say their 1st/another prospect etc +/- if we move enough other salary along with Stecher and Virtanen. Perhaps Roussel or Benn. Or maybe we bring back Boychuck instead. There's ways to make it work. That said, I'm not married to Dobson, he was just an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 29 minutes ago, aGENT said: I was presuming they get moved over the next season, after they're re-signed. And yes, I'm aware of their cap situation. Perhaps we even consider taking Ladd on for Dobson and say their 1st/another prospect etc +/- if we move enough other salary along with Stecher and Virtanen. Perhaps Roussel or Benn. Or maybe we bring back Boychuck instead. There's ways to make it work. That said, I'm not married to Dobson, he was just an example. Didn't think you were focused on Dobson. My point was not about Dobson but rather the re-signing timing issue between the qualifying offer, free agency and arbitration filing. It applies to the Canucks too. Having players arbitration eligible can limit what a team can do in free agency. They have to foresee the situation where an arbitrator could award more than what the team has available in cap space. To avoid all that they ideally sign the player before they have to issue a qualifying offer but not all agents are going to just accept to give up their leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNucks1 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 5:32 PM, J-23 said: hahaha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 24 minutes ago, mll said: Didn't think you were focused on Dobson. My point was not about Dobson but rather the re-signing timing issue between the qualifying offer, free agency and arbitration filing. It applies to the Canucks too. Having players arbitration eligible can limit what a team can do in free agency. They have to foresee the situation where an arbitrator could award more than what the team has available in cap space. To avoid all that they ideally sign the player before they have to issue a qualifying offer but not all agents are going to just accept to give up their leverage. And again, after they're re-signed making that all moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoKnows Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 8:40 PM, DeNiro said: All that matters is that he shows up healthy and in shape. If he wants to go out and have a few drinks with his friends in his off time then it’s his right. Fans really need to mind their business when it comes to players private lives. Exactly. Quinn was at Boots N Hearts last year. I'd bet my savings on it that he wasn't sober. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 38 minutes ago, aGENT said: And again, after they're re-signed making that all moot. When are you signing them? Before qualifying them or after the possible arbitration hearing? Fwiw there has never been a sign and trade in the cap era. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, BoKnows said: Exactly. Quinn was at Boots N Hearts last year. I'd bet my savings on it that he wasn't sober. I think you're missing the point, entirely. This isn't about drinking/being sober, it's about taking steps to avoid the spread of COVID. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 14 hours ago, aGENT said: We could also likely re-sign Leivo for cheap given his injuries and the currently economy/flat cap if we need a 3rd line winger until Podkolzin arrives. Package Virtanen plus maybe Stecher for the likes of Dobson (+/-) IMO. If you are trading Virtanen I would try to package him with Eriksson and get rid of his contract. If Markstrom re-signs you could even package Demko, Virtanen and Eriksson to Ottawa for a prospect/pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Seen a video on the Canucks Youtube of the Canucks practicing and Jake trying to make it fun with some celebrations. Gotta be that darn immaturity showing again. Can't take anything seriously. Just trade the bum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/2/2020 at 1:39 PM, debluvscanucks said: it's reports that he was ignoring social distancing and a mask. Do it right if you're going to do it. But, then all of the naked ladies wouldn't know it's Jake freakin Virtanen! lol jk... but not really. Me thinks he likes his celebrity status 'round town. It was irresponsible, but what do you do with the boy. It was great to see him at practice in that video, I have high hopes for Jake. If the Canucks make it past MIN, Jake in the playoffs could be fun to watch. Speed and grit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Law of Goalies Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 2 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: But, then all of the naked ladies wouldn't know it's Jake freakin Virtanen! lol jk... but not really. Me thinks he likes his celebrity status 'round town. It was irresponsible, but what do you do with the boy. It was great to see him at practice in that video, I have high hopes for Jake. If the Canucks make it past MIN, Jake in the playoffs could be fun to watch. Speed and grit! At least he looked good at practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Law of Goalies Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 2 hours ago, N7Nucks said: Seen a video on the Canucks Youtube of the Canucks practicing and Jake trying to make it fun with some celebrations. Gotta be that darn immaturity showing again. Can't take anything seriously. Just trade the bum. Miller, Stetcher were also celebrating and Petey was pointing at the camera to see if the camera got his slick shot...they are all so immature. Should trade them alllllllllll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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