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2 hours ago, playboi19 said:

Same goes for me with Cybulski. He was saying the olli juolevi experiment is over, time to move on. 

 

Best not to take Vancouver media seriously. I hope the players know that now.

They report on the sport without much knowledge other than watching it (like we do) or googling it. They are not athletes, they have no practical experience in hockey. Like @debluvscanucks said, Dhaliwal wants to be Don Cherry. Well, he ain't no Cherry. DC played in the AHL for many years with a cup of coffee in the NHL and went on to become a very celebrated coach with bean town, he knows hockey.  The local media are hacks, Nuff said. 

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I hope Jake gets dressed at least as the 13th forward for Game 1 against the Wild.  What's the harm?  MacEwen was rewarded for a good camp with the exhibition game.  I suppose Eriksson might be the better option if we're concerned about PKs, but honestly, I'm a bit more concerned about the physical match up with the Wild.

 

If Green's concern is icing the best line-up, then Jake as the 13th forward allows Green to keep Beagle and Sutter in the 12-man forward unit as backup for Gaudette and for PKs.  Jake can rotate in when needed, or if it's clear they need more speed and size.  I have said before that I really like MacEwen's game, but I don't necessarily think he's a better option than Jake right now unless Jake was really that bad at camp.  A lot was made about Jake being out of shape at the start of the season but he did just fine after.  If it's an issue of shape, then it was overblown then and it's presumably overblown now.  If it's a matter of effort in practice, then obviously that's on Jake, but even then, is it enough to scratch him even as the 13th forward?

 

Jake seems like exactly the kind of player you want as a 13th forward.  You can ice a safer 12-man line-up but then roll him out in the right situations.  Having Jake roll in and out could also throw off Minnesota's structure since Jake would be a much faster player than whoever he replaces.

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3 minutes ago, EternalCanuckFan said:

I hope Jake gets dressed at least as the 13th forward for Game 1 against the Wild.  What's the harm?  

I am not sure I am following.  The 13th forward doesn’t dress.

 

That was a special deal for just the exhibition game.  No spare forwards or D for the actual play on games as far as I am aware.

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Just now, Provost said:

I am not sure I am following.  The 13th forward doesn’t dress.

 

That was a special deal for just the exhibition game.  No spare forwards or D for the actual play on games as far as I am aware.

Sigh, I must have misunderstood that.  Thought it was a COVID measure.  Haven't been paying as much attention to the rule changes :P.

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5 minutes ago, EternalCanuckFan said:

I hope Jake gets dressed at least as the 13th forward for Game 1 against the Wild.  What's the harm?  MacEwen was rewarded for a good camp with the exhibition game.  I suppose Eriksson might be the better option if we're concerned about PKs, but honestly, I'm a bit more concerned about the physical match up with the Wild.

 

If Green's concern is icing the best line-up, then Jake as the 13th forward allows Green to keep Beagle and Sutter in the 12-man forward unit as backup for Gaudette and for PKs.  Jake can rotate in when needed, or if it's clear they need more speed and size.  I have said before that I really like MacEwen's game, but I don't necessarily think he's a better option than Jake right now unless Jake was really that bad at camp.  A lot was made about Jake being out of shape at the start of the season but he did just fine after.  If it's an issue of shape, then it was overblown then and it's presumably overblown now.  If it's a matter of effort in practice, then obviously that's on Jake, but even then, is it enough to scratch him even as the 13th forward?

 

Jake seems like exactly the kind of player you want as a 13th forward.  You can ice a safer 12-man line-up but then roll him out in the right situations.  Having Jake roll in and out could also throw off Minnesota's structure since Jake would be a much faster player than whoever he replaces.

I think the extra roster spots were just for the preseason game, Green thinks Schaller is a far better player so it's a lost cause at this point.

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I posted this in the gdt, but probably more relevat here

 

In Regards to Virtanen, it makes me think of the "relationship advice needed" thread in the off topic forum about a month ago.  The thread creator was lamenting on what to do about a gf who he cared about, but had things he had concerns about.  His course of action was that he was trying to change her behaviour and pesonality and it wasn't working out.  I feel they are doing the same with Jake, they are trying to change who he is as a player instead of letting him be who he is.  You can develop skills and even a work ethic to a degree, but a players personality is who that player is.  He's progressing nicely, putting up better numbers every year and he looks like he'll grow into a solid 25 goal, 50 point player who can hit, skate and steal pucks frm opposing players.  Not every player can fit into the same box, a team is made up of many diffrent personalities.

 

They either have to stop trying to force Jake into being someone he's not or they have to cut him loose so he can be successful elsewhere.

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27 minutes ago, luckylager said:

I hate this pic.

Both Sutter and Mac looked like crap against the Jets. You can't tell me Jake would have played worse.

as did Roussel and Motte

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11 minutes ago, stawns said:

as did Roussel and Motte

Motte had a couple good plays in the dzone. Rooster looked lost a few times but at least he was doing what he's supposed to on our only goal.

 

But yes, it had to be yet another tough love move from Green. At some point he's gotta take off the leash

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There was a post earlier this week that I liked. 

 

It read something like "I'm not concerned about the virtanen scratch. Green knows how to motivate him".

 

I'm hoping that's all this is.

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9 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:

There was a lost earlier this week that I liked. 

 

It read something like "I'm not concerned about the virtanen scratch. Green knows how to motivate him".

 

I'm hoping that's all this is.

I just find it funny the trajectory of Virtanen's career versus fan reaction. Mixed feelings when drafted (eg should've drafted Nylander/Ehlers). Up until recently, many were calling him a bust/dud/waste of a top 10 pick. Recently it was all about trading Jake as he no longer has a fit here, especially with our prospect pipeline and trying to retain Toffoli. After all this dumping on Jake for years and years, now we are hearing the whining about why he's not in the lineup and of course from the usual suspects (possibly some of the same ones that were dumping on Jake prior) are going on about coaching and I'm sure we will hear the Benning side of things soon enough.

 

In the meantime, Jake's been playing games and has been improving, but certainly not a finished product yet (not in his final form). Jake will be fine. Until we hear trade demands, then the assumption is he understands what's going on and sticking to the development plan.

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48 minutes ago, stawns said:

I posted this in the gdt, but probably more relevat here

 

In Regards to Virtanen, it makes me think of the "relationship advice needed" thread in the off topic forum about a month ago.  The thread creator was lamenting on what to do about a gf who he cared about, but had things he had concerns about.  His course of action was that he was trying to change her behaviour and pesonality and it wasn't working out.  I feel they are doing the same with Jake, they are trying to change who he is as a player instead of letting him be who he is.  You can develop skills and even a work ethic to a degree, but a players personality is who that player is.  He's progressing nicely, putting up better numbers every year and he looks like he'll grow into a solid 25 goal, 50 point player who can hit, skate and steal pucks frm opposing players.  Not every player can fit into the same box, a team is made up of many diffrent personalities.

 

They either have to stop trying to force Jake into being someone he's not or they have to cut him loose so he can be successful elsewhere.

Feels weird but we agree once again. Torts tried turning the Sedins into 24 minute a game, also Pker's that blocked shots and look how that turned out.

The were worn down by the second half of the season. Virtanen being scratched or given less than 10 minutes a game isn't doing his development many favours.

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52 minutes ago, Timbermen said:

Feels weird but we agree once again. Torts tried turning the Sedins into 24 minute a game, also Pker's that blocked shots and look how that turned out.

The were worn down by the second half of the season. Virtanen being scratched or given less than 10 minutes a game isn't doing his development many favours.

And yet he's a top 5 winger on this team as you claim. What horrible development.

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30 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

And yet he's a top 5 winger on this team as you claim. What horrible development.

He's the 5th best winger on the team, it's not even an argument. He's being dogged by the coach given 4rth line duty while putting up second line #'s.

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23 minutes ago, Timbermen said:

He's the 5th best winger on the team, it's not even an argument. He's being dogged by the coach given 4rth line duty while putting up second line #'s.

But don't you see that maybe Green is doing something right with his development by getting a player capable of putting up those kinds of numbers in a lesser role (3rd line minutes actually over a season)? It is also beneficial to the team overall to be getting that kind of production outside of the top 6 (secondary scoring). Paint all the negatives you want, but take a step back and look at the bigger picture and you'll see that Virtanen has been improving year after year (offensively and defensively). Is that not development?

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i just hope he gets in one of these games against the Wild. He is built for playoff hockey. He can get in on the forecheck in a hurry and cause d-men to panic and rush them into poor decisions. Plus he can wire a puck and play on our 2nd PP unit.

 

Keep your head on a swivel Suter and Dumba! His speed and size will at some point play a huge factor in the series against the Wild and he will make his impact, being motivated to show why he belongs on the starting roster!!

 

Hopefully our bottom 6 lines plays out like this:

Virtanen-Gaudette-Ferland

Motte-Beagle-Roussel

 

*Take a seat Sutter.

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