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3 minutes ago, Tracksuit said:

JV with more points than both LE and Sutter COMBINED and makes 8.5 million less. Yup he’s the problem...LOL. 
1 or more scape goats required to cover the stupid contracts of a short sighted GM. 


 

Uh, you skipped right over something (conveniently).

 

There is no problem...this is hockey and decisions have to be made...sometimes tough ones.  No one's "bad" or "good" based on them...just how it is.  You're getting all worked up...might be for nothing.  

Jake is responsible for his fate to some degree.  All in with this crew...how it has to be.  And if this lights a fire under him at the perfect time, it's beneficial to all, including him.

 

 

 

 

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Just now, debluvscanucks said:

Uh, you skipped right over something (conveniently).

 

There is no problem...this is hockey and decisions have to be made...sometimes tough ones.  No one's "bad" or "good" based on them...just how it is.  You're getting all worked up...might be for nothing.  

Jake is responsible for his fate to some degree.  All in with this crew...how it has to be.

 

 

 

 

Its probably best for JV to move on.
 

but a gm that trades picks like there penny candy can’t keep letting players leave for nothing. 
well unless you believe the  “there wasn’t a deal” excuse we’ve heard so many times in the last 5 years. Funny we didn’t hear other gms use that One annually over the last 40 years. 
It was clear we wouldn’t be able to afford all the pending ufas/RFAs After all the horrible ufa spending sprees Do have a cost. 

Your right thou tough decisions Will be needed in order to cover Up stupid short sighted mistakes that didn’t/don’t require The Hindsight is 20/20 excuse. 

 

 



 

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5 minutes ago, Tracksuit said:

Its probably best for JV to move on.
 

but a gm that trades picks like there penny candy can’t keep letting players leave for nothing. 
well unless you believe the  “there wasn’t a deal” excuse we’ve heard so many times in the last 5 years. Funny we didn’t hear other gms use that One annually over the last 40 years. 
It was clear we wouldn’t be able to afford all the pending ufas/RFAs After all the horrible ufa spending sprees Do have a cost. 

Your right thou tough decisions Will be needed in order to cover Up stupid short sighted mistakes that didn’t/don’t require The Hindsight is 20/20 excuse. 

 

 



 

You're fueling the fire more than fanning it...which is likely best for Jake to face forward rather than dwell on what was.  "Let It Be".

 

Short sighted mistakes are just things that happen with every team...hindsight isn't a luxury in real time.  You do what you feel will help in the moment but sometimes long term it hurts.  

 

Get over it?  It's an exciting time...we're about to start play ins.  Let's cheer for our team rather than rip them apart?  

 

We didn't hear other GM's say that because, well, we don't listen to them as much.  We don't get all their content...

 

There wasn't a deal means "one that we wanted to make".  And that's every GM that weighs that out.  There are deals out there....just not all are worth considering.

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https://www.tsn.ca/playing-the-percentages-in-the-nhl-draft-1.206144

 

"What I did was pull out every single draft pick from 2000-2009 (a 10-year span) based on the round they were selected, and binned the players into two groups: players who managed to log at least 50 career games at the NHL level (a reasonable way to identify players who, at worst, became replacement level NHL talent), and players who managed to log 0-49 NHL games at the NHL level (our way to identify a ‘failed’ draft pick).

How does the data shake out by round?"

 

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https://thehockeywriters.com/the-nhl-entry-draft-a-historical-analysis/

 

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  • The 1991-2000 drafts will be broken down into 200 game intervals beginning with 0-199 and maxing out at 1000+.
  • Each chart shows the amount of players that make up each 200 game interval as well as their percentage in each round.
  • Rounds 1-4 are broken down individually over the ten year period.
  • Round 5+ is a collection of all the later rounds over the ten year period.

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Jake   279 games, 50 goals 45 assists. A point every 2.9 games, a goal every 5.58 games.

more success than the guy picked just in front of him, and arguably more, or the same at least, as the guy two picks before him.

 

Biggest hindrance to Jake was being up in the show too soon, however the Hitmen didn't seem to want to trade him, or play him in a spot that would have worked better for him.

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1 hour ago, gurn said:

Jake   279 games, 50 goals 45 assists. A point every 2.9 games, a goal every 5.58 games.

more success than the guy picked just in front of him, and arguably more, or the same at least, as the guy two picks before him.

 

Biggest hindrance to Jake was being up in the show too soon, however the Hitmen didn't seem to want to trade him, or play him in a spot that would have worked better for him.

Judging with hindsight, an extra year in the WHL wouldn't have helped much.  He still has a few tendencies left over from junior that doesn't work in the NHL.... like shooting while skating along the wing (only a few elite players can do that regularly), circling back to the red line to receive a turnover instead of coming back to defend, not hustling to the bench for a line change, etc.  

Those are usually "coached away" in the minors or in the NHL.  

 

JV first year was just him "learning to be a pro" and just playing a more physical 2-way game.... both that he still have trouble with 5+ years after being drafted.  

 

Virtanen was drafted to be a truculent player... and so far he's not that.  A hit here and there, but far less than what he can physically do.  JV isn't required to put up the offense, since if the Canucks really need more offensive players, they could have easily brought back in Sven Baertschi who is way better.  Jake has something Sven doesn't have.... size, speed, and no history of severe injuries.  As of now, Jake Virtanen just seems to be a speedier version of Taylor Pyatt with a better shot and lesser defensive acumen.  

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2 hours ago, Lancaster said:

As of now, Jake Virtanen just seems to be a speedier version of Taylor Pyatt with a better shot and lesser defensive acumen.  

Difference is that when Jake has decided to, he has made a real impact to games. We have seen flashes of very good hockey from Jake. We never saw that from Taylor.

 

So, perhaps similar in that they both had really high potential and never met it, but different in the fact that Taylor simply didn't have the skillset required. And the jury is still out on Jake. I believe he DOES make an NHL career for himself.

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Love the conversation in here. :lol:

 

Tired Fat Cat GIF by Boomerang Official

 

I think we may actually see Pearson on our 3rd line if we go deep at some point.

 

I'm curious how we would look if we shifted him down that would give us a PK'er potentially in our bottom 6 (if he's any good at the pk). I hate having top 6 guys doing pk duties. Makes it so you can't put them out there right after a PK to generate offence and momentum. 

 

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At what point does where a player get drafted stop being a reflection of his ability to play at the top level??

I get it, he may never achieve the level you might expect from a 6th overall (although in my opinion the jury is still out in his ceiling, but I digress) however, if you look at his ability currently he already IS an NHL caliber player. In my eyes he is a prototypical mid level winger much in the way Higgins (another first rounder who never quite lived up to the hype but carved out a significant nhl career) was for us in 2011. He can play as far up as first line and as far down as 4th and doesn’t hurt our lineup no matter where he’s placed.

his defensive game, while not a strength, is better then a lot of people give him credit for. He also draws more penalties then most of the players on our team. (Usually top three players for penalties drawn on our team if memory serves me correct?). Virtanen has become a serviceable player, but his draft put unreal expectations on him that some fans will never let go of.

 

just my two cents...

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17 hours ago, kloubek said:

Difference is that when Jake has decided to, he has made a real impact to games. We have seen flashes of very good hockey from Jake. We never saw that from Taylor.

 

So, perhaps similar in that they both had really high potential and never met it, but different in the fact that Taylor simply didn't have the skillset required. And the jury is still out on Jake. I believe he DOES make an NHL career for himself.

I actually very distinctly remember Pyatt taking over and dominating a game to a level Virtanen never has.

 

Pyatt got a high stick or a punch and he was bleeding from a cut and got angry.  The entire rest of the game it was like Mario Lemieux playing against midget players.  He was literally unstoppable and just bulled through defenders and just kept skating when they were draped all over him.

 

After the game, the coach said he was planning on punching Pyatt in the nose before every game.

 

Then the next game he was Taylor Pyatt again.

 

Jake has not yet reached “peak Pyatt” level production of 23 goals.

Also... remember that time that Jake went after an opposing team's heavyweight enforcer for throwing a hit on one of our star players and stood toe to toe with him?  ... Me either. 

I hope Jake becomes as good as Pyatt one day!
 

 

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46 minutes ago, NorthWestNuck said:

At what point does where a player get drafted stop being a reflection of his ability to play at the top level??

I get it, he may never achieve the level you might expect from a 6th overall (although in my opinion the jury is still out in his ceiling, but I digress) however, if you look at his ability currently he already IS an NHL caliber player. In my eyes he is a prototypical mid level winger much in the way Higgins (another first rounder who never quite lived up to the hype but carved out a significant nhl career) was for us in 2011. He can play as far up as first line and as far down as 4th and doesn’t hurt our lineup no matter where he’s placed.

his defensive game, while not a strength, is better then a lot of people give him credit for. He also draws more penalties then most of the players on our team. (Usually top three players for penalties drawn on our team if memory serves me correct?). Virtanen has become a serviceable player, but his draft put unreal expectations on him that some fans will never let go of.

 

just my two cents...

I think the fans see Virtanen for who he is. Some think there's a lot of potential some others not sp  much. The bad part IMO is this predrfat meeting, the chat about Virtanen by Benning & CO ..... now that's embarassing

 

 

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^^ great Draft (Virtanen) video, and Benning isn't really wrong. Jake scored 18 goals last year and has been getting better every season. I have no issues with him as a player on the ice. Green knows Jake better than anyone in the organization and I'm sure he'll be relying on him.  Whether that's to take a seat and learn/focus, to being ready to be the next man up or on PP#1 or anywhere in between. 

 

I wonder if there are Eriksson fans out there who are fuming when Loui gets benched? lol  

 

A Canuck is a Canuck

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Silky mitts said:

So being mutual friends with the same circle as jake, word is he has asked for a trade.  
 

 

Word is, rumour and speculation are unhealthy to invest into until we have multiple independent attestations.

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9 minutes ago, Silky mitts said:

So being mutual friends with the same circle as jake, word is he has asked for a trade.  
 

 

I don't think you'll mind anyone taking that with a grain of salt.

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10 minutes ago, Silky mitts said:

So being mutual friends with the same circle as jake, word is he has asked for a trade.  
 

 

If that is true, I could imagine his teammates begging him to stay considering the garbage he gets. They are all probably worried they will get focused on by some of the media and fans. Did you see Pettersson? He hasn't even outscored Gretz yet. Bust!

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11 minutes ago, FaninMex said:

If that is true, I could imagine his teammates begging him to stay considering the garbage he gets. They are all probably worried they will get focused on by some of the media and fans. Did you see Pettersson? He hasn't even outscored Gretz yet. Bust!

He’s unhappy with his minutes and where he is placed in the lineups 

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