Attila Umbrus Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 I can’t wait to see this thread hits 2000 posts after Jake gets traded. Blood will be spilled on here lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 I would give Jake slightly more than Motte. Maybe a 1.5 million contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 3 hours ago, VegasCanuck said: I would give Jake slightly more than Motte. Maybe a 1.5 million contract. So would almost every NHL team. The chance of him needing to sign a contract like that is zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said: So would almost every NHL team. The chance of him needing to sign a contract like that is zero. Virtanen has more overall production but takes whole games off. Motte doesn't take shifts off, is going full out, all the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, VegasCanuck said: Virtanen has more overall production but takes whole games off. Motte doesn't take shifts off, is going full out, all the time. That may be the case, but NHL players get paid, at least in part, for their production. If you choose to believe that a player with Jake's production can be signed for 1.5M, good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, WeneedLumme said: That may be the case, but NHL players get paid, at least in part, for their production. If you choose to believe that a player with Jake's production can be signed for 1.5M, good luck with that. In any other off season, I'd agree with you, but this off season, teams are very conscious of dollars and are very aware that when a playoff series is on the line, its guys who elevate their game (Motte) who turn things around, not players who coast and act disinterested (Jake). I think if someone had been willing to give us a 2nd round pick in this years draft (approximate 2 - 3 million offer sheet valuation) that he would have been traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 2 hours ago, VegasCanuck said: In any other off season, I'd agree with you, but this off season, teams are very conscious of dollars and are very aware that when a playoff series is on the line, its guys who elevate their game (Motte) who turn things around, not players who coast and act disinterested (Jake). I think if someone had been willing to give us a 2nd round pick in this years draft (approximate 2 - 3 million offer sheet valuation) that he would have been traded. You may be right VC Jake was a high 1st round draft pick though, has he fallen off that much that you can not recoup even a 2nd round pick in return, even with years of NHL experience, no one would offer a 2nd round pick?, what kind of player do they expect to get holding onto a 2nd round pick over one who has proven when motivated he can play the NHL game? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 I'm okay keeping Jake. He doesn't cost a lot. He's young. He's got all of the tools, except he struggles with some things. Late bloomer, he'll rip it up at 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Yes, he filed for Arbitration. Could be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_theRyper Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 When do we hear anything about the arbitration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 44 minutes ago, Rick_theRyper said: When do we hear anything about the arbitration? He has filed for arbitration per the NHLPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsbutcher Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 38 minutes ago, mll said: He has filed for arbitration per the NHLPA. Package him up please 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 hour ago, garthsbutcher said: Package him up please I'm not certain on the specific rules, but I doubt you can trade an RFA after he's filed for arbitration and before his arbitration hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 If you don't like the determined number, one can just walk away..correct? At this point, might be better to roll dice on Kole Lind or Bailey... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedinyoureyesontheprize Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 If only Jake used his size and skating to play more like ovechkin we’d have an unstoppable beast one can dream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Law of Goalies Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 On 10/11/2020 at 8:49 AM, Nuxfanabroad said: If you don't like the determined number, one can just walk away..correct? At this point, might be better to roll dice on Kole Lind or Bailey... No you can't walk away from an arbitration award (then what is the point of an arbitration). The only exception is if the award amount is over $4,538,958 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 On 10/11/2020 at 1:52 AM, -AJ- said: I'm not certain on the specific rules, but I doubt you can trade an RFA after he's filed for arbitration and before his arbitration hearing. He can still be traded. The hearing would simply be with his new team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-P Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 He can also still be signed before arbitration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Interesting note: under the new CBA, apparently once the actual arbitration hearing starts, a deal cannot be struck between the team and player and both sides are forced to look only at the arbitrator's decision. I'm not sure how long hearings usually are though, so I'm not sure how significant that is. Just means that Virtanen would need a deal before the hearing starts or otherwise only have the arbitrator's choice instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 minute ago, -AJ- said: Interesting note: under the new CBA, apparently once the actual arbitration hearing starts, a deal cannot be struck between the team and player and both sides are forced to look only at the arbitrator's decision. I'm not sure how long hearings usually are though, so I'm not sure how significant that is. Just means that Virtanen would need a deal before the hearing starts or otherwise only have the arbitrator's choice instead. Subban signed his deal after the hearing already took place and before the verdict. Smith also signed after the hearing with Nashville. Both sides get to see the arguments of the other side and can get a better feel of where the award could fall. It also allows them to sign long term. The award can only be for 1 year or 2 years. The team has to decide beforehand but can't buy a UFA year - ie a player 1-year to UFA can only receive a 1-year award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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