Jake Virtanen | #18 | RW

[DeNiro 33,173]

45 minutes ago, warrchief said:

 

 

Which is exactly why we shouldn’t trade him.

[DeNiro 33,173]

13 minutes ago, gurn said:

Neely played 3 seasons with the Canucks, Jake has played parts of 5.

And Kassian played 3 seasons here. We could sure use what he brings now.

 

Sure Kassians situation was a little different, but the point is some players take a little longer to mature and find their game.

[warrchief 228]

17 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

And Kassian played 3 seasons here. We could sure use what he brings now.

 

Sure Kassians situation was a little different, but the point is some players take a little longer to mature and find their game.

Well, Kassian had trouble going clean when he was with us and the Canadiens. I am glad he got clean with him going to Edmonton.

Not saying Jake is like Kassian but I really want Jake to succeed, he had the best mentors ever with the Sedins but he still has issues with immaturity and commitment to the game that he needs to work on. I think next season, he'll need to come in the best shape of his life or that's the final straw.

Edited July 31 by warrchief

[Hairy Kneel 7,068]

Jake was having a great year, 18 goals and counting (good for 4 or 5 more at least). No PP time, hussling, filling his lane, how many times guys tried to hit him and bounced off the big Tuna?

How many checks did he finish where guys looked crushed and took Jake's number?

PKPKPK? Why hasn't he been trained on the PK? Shorties galore I tell ya. He's a big player that garners a lot of attention when he's out there.

We always default to safer pedestrian older guys. Finally Jake gets going and he gets shut down. But no, we want the Lady Byng guy who's good in the locker room. 

[playboi19 5,363]

Jake sitting out is a great sign for our team. 

 

This is what Benning was alluding to in his introductory press conference.

 

Really good players are going to be fighting to get a spot on the Canucks from now on. 

 

We have built depth in prospects and NHL'ers.

 

 

[Moose Nuckle 464]

2 hours ago, Provost said:

Ya, we all know that you are the real insider and that all the coaching staff are wrong and don’t actually know what is going on with their team when they make decisions like sitting Virtanen and playing fringe NHLers in front of 

Tell me more 

[warrchief 228]

1 hour ago, Hairy Kneel said:

Jake was having a great year, 18 goals and counting (good for 4 or 5 more at least). No PP time, hussling, filling his lane, how many times guys tried to hit him and bounced off the big Tuna?

How many checks did he finish where guys looked crushed and took Jake's number?

PKPKPK? Why hasn't he been trained on the PK? Shorties galore I tell ya. He's a big player that garners a lot of attention when he's out there.

We always default to safer pedestrian older guys. Finally Jake gets going and he gets shut down. But no, we want the Lady Byng guy who's good in the locker room. 

It's hard to say, we do know that Horvat yelled at him during practice. It's up to Jake if he wants to take things seriously, gotta show the coaching staff you care. Petey stayed for an extra hour after practice working on his one timer. I think Jake just need to get his fitness to the level that impresses Green.

[Provost 7,009]

1 hour ago, Moose Nuckle said:

Tell me more 

I am pretty amazing at prophecying things that already happened....  almost 100% accuracy!

 

[CaptKirk888 1,417]

2 hours ago, playboi19 said:

Same goes for me with Cybulski. He was saying the olli juolevi experiment is over, time to move on. 

 

Best not to take Vancouver media seriously. I hope the players know that now.

They report on the sport without much knowledge other than watching it (like we do) or googling it. They are not athletes, they have no practical experience in hockey. Like @debluvscanucks said, Dhaliwal wants to be Don Cherry. Well, he ain't no Cherry. DC played in the AHL for many years with a cup of coffee in the NHL and went on to become a very celebrated coach with bean town, he knows hockey.  The local media are hacks, Nuff said. 

[Moose Nuckle 464]

7 minutes ago, Provost said:

I am pretty amazing at prophecying things that already happened....  almost 100% accuracy!

 

Bordering on harassment

[luckylager 22,412]

22 minutes ago, Provost said:

 

I hate this pic.

Both Sutter and Mac looked like crap against the Jets. You can't tell me Jake would have played worse.

[CoolCanucklehead 881]

3 hours ago, playboi19 said:

Best not to take Vancouver media seriously. I hope the players know that now.

The players get it, it's some so called fans that don't.

[EternalCanuckFan 707]

I hope Jake gets dressed at least as the 13th forward for Game 1 against the Wild.  What's the harm?  MacEwen was rewarded for a good camp with the exhibition game.  I suppose Eriksson might be the better option if we're concerned about PKs, but honestly, I'm a bit more concerned about the physical match up with the Wild.

 

If Green's concern is icing the best line-up, then Jake as the 13th forward allows Green to keep Beagle and Sutter in the 12-man forward unit as backup for Gaudette and for PKs.  Jake can rotate in when needed, or if it's clear they need more speed and size.  I have said before that I really like MacEwen's game, but I don't necessarily think he's a better option than Jake right now unless Jake was really that bad at camp.  A lot was made about Jake being out of shape at the start of the season but he did just fine after.  If it's an issue of shape, then it was overblown then and it's presumably overblown now.  If it's a matter of effort in practice, then obviously that's on Jake, but even then, is it enough to scratch him even as the 13th forward?

 

Jake seems like exactly the kind of player you want as a 13th forward.  You can ice a safer 12-man line-up but then roll him out in the right situations.  Having Jake roll in and out could also throw off Minnesota's structure since Jake would be a much faster player than whoever he replaces.

[Provost 7,009]

3 minutes ago, EternalCanuckFan said:

I hope Jake gets dressed at least as the 13th forward for Game 1 against the Wild.  What's the harm?  

I am not sure I am following.  The 13th forward doesn’t dress.

 

That was a special deal for just the exhibition game.  No spare forwards or D for the actual play on games as far as I am aware.

[EternalCanuckFan 707]

Just now, Provost said:

I am not sure I am following.  The 13th forward doesn’t dress.

 

That was a special deal for just the exhibition game.  No spare forwards or D for the actual play on games as far as I am aware.

Sigh, I must have misunderstood that.  Thought it was a COVID measure.  Haven't been paying as much attention to the rule changes :P.

[Timbermen 921]

5 minutes ago, EternalCanuckFan said:

I hope Jake gets dressed at least as the 13th forward for Game 1 against the Wild.  What's the harm?  MacEwen was rewarded for a good camp with the exhibition game.  I suppose Eriksson might be the better option if we're concerned about PKs, but honestly, I'm a bit more concerned about the physical match up with the Wild.

 

If Green's concern is icing the best line-up, then Jake as the 13th forward allows Green to keep Beagle and Sutter in the 12-man forward unit as backup for Gaudette and for PKs.  Jake can rotate in when needed, or if it's clear they need more speed and size.  I have said before that I really like MacEwen's game, but I don't necessarily think he's a better option than Jake right now unless Jake was really that bad at camp.  A lot was made about Jake being out of shape at the start of the season but he did just fine after.  If it's an issue of shape, then it was overblown then and it's presumably overblown now.  If it's a matter of effort in practice, then obviously that's on Jake, but even then, is it enough to scratch him even as the 13th forward?

 

Jake seems like exactly the kind of player you want as a 13th forward.  You can ice a safer 12-man line-up but then roll him out in the right situations.  Having Jake roll in and out could also throw off Minnesota's structure since Jake would be a much faster player than whoever he replaces.

I think the extra roster spots were just for the preseason game, Green thinks Schaller is a far better player so it's a lost cause at this point.

[stawns 20,176]

I posted this in the gdt, but probably more relevat here

 

In Regards to Virtanen, it makes me think of the "relationship advice needed" thread in the off topic forum about a month ago.  The thread creator was lamenting on what to do about a gf who he cared about, but had things he had concerns about.  His course of action was that he was trying to change her behaviour and pesonality and it wasn't working out.  I feel they are doing the same with Jake, they are trying to change who he is as a player instead of letting him be who he is.  You can develop skills and even a work ethic to a degree, but a players personality is who that player is.  He's progressing nicely, putting up better numbers every year and he looks like he'll grow into a solid 25 goal, 50 point player who can hit, skate and steal pucks frm opposing players.  Not every player can fit into the same box, a team is made up of many diffrent personalities.

 

They either have to stop trying to force Jake into being someone he's not or they have to cut him loose so he can be successful elsewhere.

[stawns 20,176]

27 minutes ago, luckylager said:

I hate this pic.

Both Sutter and Mac looked like crap against the Jets. You can't tell me Jake would have played worse.

as did Roussel and Motte

[luckylager 22,412]

11 minutes ago, stawns said:

as did Roussel and Motte

Motte had a couple good plays in the dzone. Rooster looked lost a few times but at least he was doing what he's supposed to on our only goal.

 

But yes, it had to be yet another tough love move from Green. At some point he's gotta take off the leash

[73 Percent 12,301]

There was a post earlier this week that I liked. 

 

It read something like "I'm not concerned about the virtanen scratch. Green knows how to motivate him".

 

I'm hoping that's all this is.

Edited July 31 by 73 Percent