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51 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

I think Green is making JB's decision for him, as soon as we start sitting Jake we start winning games and right now he's on the outside looking in. Gaudette hasn't done much to surplant him, but I think MacEwan has.

 

Look at the guys who have come into training camp and then the first 10 games of the season who have worked harder and played harder than Jake. Virtanen was basically gifted a top-6 role when we let Toffoli go, it was Virtanen's to lose, and then look what happens - a small young Swedish kid out-hustles him and works harder than him (oh, Nylander/Ehlers that you again?). 

 

I think with Gaudette, no one's really surprised - a late 5th round pick who produced a lot of surprising offence last season but doesn't cost us much in terms of pick/cap/ice-time so no one's too worried. Virtanen on the other hand is, and what's disappointing is the number of players who are out-working him right now. I would include Zac MacEwan into the mix - the kid gets 10 seconds of ice-time by chance with our top-line on a change and he wins the puck, skates right to the front of the net and scores a great goal against one of the best goalies in the NHL. Virtanen hasn't shown us that hustle all season. 

 

I think his lack of playing is showing that Green is now disappointed in him too and I think JB is going to do something this off-season, even if it is not to protect him. Virtanen for Sam Bennett straight up makes a lot of sense but I'd explore some other options first. I think Bennett might be able to have some success as a 3rd line center to replace Sutter but I really don't see Virtanen's career being rejuvenated in Calgary unless he plays with Gaudreau. 

The challenge faced by Jake has always been the ticking clock as he tried to establish himself in the NHL. There will always be younger players challenging for his TOI. IMHO Jake had to play a more physical game and refine his d-side game to establish himself. Excluding injuries his opportunity is slipping. This is without Podz here yet. 

 

The same situation exists for Tryamkin. 

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I rather trade Virtanen for a pick so we have 1 extra spot to protect a young player from the expansion.

 

ie) Macewan, Lind, Gaudette. We can't protect all of them. After all these years developing them, they are starting to look bright for the future.

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4 hours ago, iinatcc said:

So are we all going to stop pretending that Virtanen was a better pick than Nylander or Ehlers or is this still a thing :lol:

 

4 hours ago, Westcoasting said:

I assume we still have to wait a few more years as it takes longer for a power forward with special skills to develop... oh and wait for the playoffs this is the kind of guy who will shine in the playoffs :)

 

On 1/29/2021 at 12:20 PM, captainhorvat said:

Such a useless player with no hockey IQ will never understand the support he gets on this board...u guyz are all clowns:lol: clowns GIF by The 90th Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade

 

On 1/30/2021 at 10:19 AM, captainhorvat said:

Can’t wait for this loser to be traded for future considerations 

 

23 hours ago, garthsbutcher said:

Fun fact , his Nickname “Shotgun  Jake” was given to him because he’s always a passenger on the ice!

 

 

Fake Flirtanen  

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15 hours ago, CanucksForever2 said:

I rather trade Virtanen for a pick so we have 1 extra spot to protect a young player from the expansion.

 

ie) Macewan, Lind, Gaudette. We can't protect all of them. After all these years developing them, they are starting to look bright for the future.

Can we even do that?  As I just posted in another thread, Patrick Johnson's article in today's Province seems to suggest otherwise: 

 

But are teams interested in Virtanen anymore? One source doesn’t think so: “30 teams would have passed on qualifying him.”

 

https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/the-skate-not-at-all-like-a-hog-on-ice

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1 hour ago, Captain Canuck #12 said:

Can we even do that?  As I just posted in another thread, Patrick Johnson's article in today's Province seems to suggest otherwise: 

 

But are teams interested in Virtanen anymore? One source doesn’t think so: “30 teams would have passed on qualifying him.”

 

https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/the-skate-not-at-all-like-a-hog-on-ice

Patrick Johnson doesn’t have sources.

 

Also speaking on behalf of 30 GMs is pretty bold.

 

Sensationalist tidbit, nothing more.

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1 hour ago, Captain Canuck #12 said:

Can we even do that?  As I just posted in another thread, Patrick Johnson's article in today's Province seems to suggest otherwise: 

 

But are teams interested in Virtanen anymore? One source doesn’t think so: “30 teams would have passed on qualifying him.”

 

https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/the-skate-not-at-all-like-a-hog-on-ice

Only way it work is if he's traded for a player the other organization have given up on.

 

We are looking at something like Virtanen for a reclamation project like a Jesse Puljujärvi or Joshua Ho-Sang

 

 

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8 hours ago, iinatcc said:

Only way it work is if he's traded for a player the other organization have given up on.

 

We are looking at something like Virtanen for a reclamation project like a Jesse Puljujärvi or Joshua Ho-Sang

 

 

Maybe could have done Pool party before, doubtful now ?

No sweeteners of Picks for Jake or anyone please, A good D draft available

Plus we can't protect All players (so could be like a rental) and teams taking him will say the same, so  I could see teams doing reclamation trades and same division because of the14 day quarantine, more likely too that a Bennet or Mete traded within division? 

For that scenario and teams realizing they may lose them and cannot afford to wait and yjey may get a player who will thrive on a new change

If Jake was traded, i could see him motivated, so Seattle picks him up in the draft and he would be near home and friends (once the borders are re-opened)

But I expected that this year, If playing in the states at the moment, you won't see much of them

Hard work is a skillset and not one of the skills in Jakes toolbox, or he could be a heck of a player

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, 73 Percent said:

Could virtanen be the DTD because of a pending trade? Speculate away 

I kind of hope so, but only if he goes to another division, But I wonder if this is just Green trying to teach Jake a lesson (again for the 100th time) by giving him a time-out. 

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2 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

I kind of hope so, but only if he goes to another division, But I wonder if this is just Green trying to teach Jake a lesson (again for the 100th time) by giving him a time-out. 

I honestly dont care either way. Hes not hurting the team. Not helping the team. I doubt he'll help or hurt another team, whether its florida or Calgary.

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2 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:

I honestly dont care either way. Hes not hurting the team. Not helping the team. I doubt he'll help or hurt another team, whether its florida or Calgary.

True, he's not expensive like some players, and young enough that he might still one day do something. Who knows, could be during the payoffs one of these years when Jake suddenly wakes up and goes on a tear to help us win. That would be sweet and make it all worth while ::D.

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That guy said something about Bennett being buried in the Lames lineup, and perhaps breaking out on a new team, similar to Karlsson before he ended up in Vegas. Maybe. But the reality is, and same is true with Jake, they both have had numerous opportunities to earn their spot. And that's the key for any of these players - earning your spot. What's Sam's excuse? What these two guys need to do is study and apply the work ethic of Motte, Hoglander, and guys like Miller, Horvat, Petey, Brock, etc. It's a 'show-me world', and the fact that these guys are blowing it, that's obviously on them. 

 

It's theirs for the taking.

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On 1/28/2021 at 3:02 PM, bbllpp said:

Noticed Jake about to make two big hits that the camera missed as it followed the puck.  A lot of the physical game happens off camera.

 

I like this line, having Big Mack as an effective forechecker gives the line more options

 

Jake may not be filling the net but he’s not hurting the team either 

I think he can contribute to the team. People on here need to get over the fact that he was drafted in the 1st round, top ten pick. He'll never live up to that draft position, we get it. But I think he can still be a useful player. He doesn't score as much as us fans want him to, but I think he's not hurting the team like he was in years past either. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, BarnBurner said:

That guy said something about Bennett being buried in the Lames lineup, and perhaps breaking out on a new team, similar to Karlsson before he ended up in Vegas. Maybe. But the reality is, and same is true with Jake, they both have had numerous opportunities to earn their spot. And that's the key for any of these players - earning your spot. What's Sam's excuse? What these two guys need to do is study and apply the work ethic of Motte, Hoglander, and guys like Miller, Horvat, Petey, Brock, etc. It's a 'show-me world', and the fact that these guys are blowing it, that's obviously on them. 

 

It's theirs for the taking.

It's true that Virtanen's work ethic isn't very good. If he can put the work in, and put the damn effort in consistently, he would be one hell of a player

 

Unfortunately, everyone who has predicted that the arrivals of Höglander and Podkolzin may drive Jake further down the line up, and eventually be the odd man out. 

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1 minute ago, N4ZZY said:

It's true that Virtanen's work ethic isn't very good. If he can put the work in, and put the damn effort in consistently, he would be one hell of a player

 

Unfortunately, everyone who has predicted that the arrivals of Höglander and Podkolzin may drive Jake further down the line up, and eventually be the odd man out. 

Fair enough, but my point is/was is, what's true of Jake is also true of Bennett. My point has nothing to do with Hoglander or Podkolzin. It's all on Jake and Bennett. Are they willing to step up to the plate?

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10 minutes ago, BarnBurner said:

Fair enough, but my point is/was is, what's true of Jake is also true of Bennett. My point has nothing to do with Hoglander or Podkolzin. It's all on Jake and Bennett. Are they willing to step up to the plate?

I'm not sure if a change of scenery will help Bennett. I'm not sure it'll help Jake either. Work ethic doesn't change simply because your environment changes. Work ethic really has to do more with character than it does scene. But I suppose some players need a change of scenery to benefit. I think for Virtanen, it may be that he's just distracted with friends, and familiarity, and he's just settled. He's made it to the NHL. What more is there to do? Maybe that's his thought process? like "hey, what more do you want from me. I got drafted in the first round. I've now signed a mult-million dollar deal, and I'm an NHL player." 

 

What would Bennett bring that Jake hasn't or doesn't this season so far? 

 

EDIT: What's more concerning for me is that Bennett's career high is 36 points, and he has regressed every season since then. Jake has improved, even if it's slight improvements over the years since he's been drafted. The trend for Bennett isn't great. Virtanen is still, it seems to me, progressing, even if the progression is ever so slight, he's moving in the right direction as opposed to Bennett who's moving the other way

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5 minutes ago, N4ZZY said:

I'm not sure if a change of scenery will help Bennett. I'm not sure it'll help Jake either. Work ethic doesn't change simply because your environment changes. Work ethic really has to do more with character than it does scene. But I suppose some players need a change of scenery to benefit. I think for Virtanen, it may be that he's just distracted with friends, and familiarity, and he's just settled. He's made it to the NHL. What more is there to do? Maybe that's his thought process? like "hey, what more do you want from me. I got drafted in the first round. I've now signed a mult-million dollar deal, and I'm an NHL player." 

 

What would Bennett bring that Jake hasn't or doesn't this season so far? 

 

EDIT: What's more concerning for me is that Bennett's career high is 36 points, and he has regressed every season since then. Jake has improved, even if it's slight improvements over the years since he's been drafted. The trend for Bennett isn't great. Virtanen is still, it seems to me, progressing, even if the progression is ever so slight, he's moving in the right direction as opposed to Bennett who's moving the other way

What are you writing a book about? My point was they both have to take responsibility for who they become as players. Move on.

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