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Gaudette had a better game last game but wasn't great this game.

 

Virtanen had a better game this game.

 

Both these players struggle with consistency. The spots are there for bottom 6 roles long term. Which ever guys that step up out of Mac/Gaud/Virtanen and eventually Hawryluk will secure them. Once Pod comes room will have to be made. You don't want to be on the outside looking in at that point.

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Good game for Jake now isn't 2 goals, it's 2 hits. We need to lower our expectations of him.

 

Gaudette was brutal tonight but fair play to his character for going out in a couple of shifts, taking the puck and just going straight through Montreal to score. I just don't see that level of determination in Jake.

 

Virtanen had some nice cycles and hits but that's about it, that's 4th liner territory he's in now and I don't see him breaking out of it to be honest. He was scoring at a 20 goal pace last season but like most of the team looks like he's regressed. On a team which plays such a high risk offensive style, he should be doing much better.

 

You can bet if the Canucks miss the playoffs JB is going to make lots of changes, starting with JV (and probably ending with the coaches).

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3 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Good game for Jake now isn't 2 goals, it's 2 hits. We need to lower our expectations of him.

 

Gaudette was brutal tonight but fair play to his character for going out in a couple of shifts, taking the puck and just going straight through Montreal to score. I just don't see that level of determination in Jake.

 

Virtanen had some nice cycles and hits but that's about it, that's 4th liner territory he's in now and I don't see him breaking out of it to be honest. He was scoring at a 20 goal pace last season but like most of the team looks like he's regressed. On a team which plays such a high risk offensive style, he should be doing much better.

 

You can bet if the Canucks miss the playoffs JB is going to make lots of changes, starting with JV (and probably ending with the coaches).

To be honest, at least Jake plays better D than Gauds. And for hits and shots, no one said a good game for him is two goals. For him, a good game has always been, hit a ton, shoot a lot, play good d which would eventually lead to goals. He has done that. 

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4 hours ago, Law of Goalies said:

To be honest, at least Jake plays better D than Gauds. And for hits and shots, no one said a good game for him is two goals. For him, a good game has always been, hit a ton, shoot a lot, play good d which would eventually lead to goals. He has done that. 

To be fair, Gaud has played in way fewer NHL games than Jake.  He hasn't had the opportunities to learn the defensive game (at the NHL level) as Jake has.  He was pretty much all offence in his college years.

 

Regardless, I suspect that in the coming years, both these players may be passed by at some point. 

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I was a very loyal Jake defender up until this season. I'm beyond frustrated with him and wouldn't be upset if we moved him along right now.

 

Even if we lose overall long term value and simply get some help for this season.  Hoping Jim can get more of course but I wouldn't be totally bent out of shape over it.

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5 hours ago, CoolCanucklehead said:

 

^ This my post from 2017

 

 

 

^ This is my post a few weeks ago.

 

 

 

 

I hear you bro. I've supported this guy since his draft year.

He's in his 7th Pro Season.

When you've been called out publicly by coaches a few years in a row at training camps, then the GM calls you out for your poor playoff performance. 

 

This was the season to come out of the gates flying if ever.  Instead he needs another reset just 10 games into his 7th Pro Season...

7 years of dreaming he'll mature when he clearly isn't putting in the effort or getting the hockey IQ part of it either. I'm not seeing it anymore. (No PP or PK skills either). 

The babying him along was fine if he was showing or is still showing signs of a top 6 player. His 3rd line status is pretty much disappearing. So it's definitely not worthy of a 4th liner to be babied along at this point if he is even worthy of that roll in the future.

7+ years to develop a 4th liner making 2.5 Million still needing a timeout from his coaches like a child. 

Enough is enough. 

:towel:

 

Sure buddy

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10 hours ago, CoolCanucklehead said:

 

^ This my post from 2017

 

 

 

^ This is my post a few weeks ago.

 

 

 

 

I hear you bro. I've supported this guy since his draft year.

He's in his 7th Pro Season.

When you've been called out publicly by coaches a few years in a row at training camps, then the GM calls you out for your poor playoff performance. 

 

This was the season to come out of the gates flying if ever.  Instead he needs another reset just 10 games into his 7th Pro Season...

7 years of dreaming he'll mature when he clearly isn't putting in the effort or getting the hockey IQ part of it either. I'm not seeing it anymore. (No PP or PK skills either). 

The babying him along was fine if he was showing or is still showing signs of a top 6 player. His 3rd line status is pretty much disappearing. So it's definitely not worthy of a 4th liner to be babied along at this point if he is even worthy of that roll in the future.

7+ years to develop a 4th liner making 2.5 Million still needing a timeout from his coaches like a child. 

Enough is enough. 

:towel:

 

I don't understand Jake. Like, what is it with him? Is it entitlement? He's got all the skills and God given ability to be a top player in the league, at the very least a middling of the pack player in the league, if he can just put some goddamn effort when he's on the ice. 

 

Play like you &^@#ing care about your future. 

 

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Fans for what ever reason have been inclined to listen to the hype and media and that's OK. Too many simply don't believe what their own eyes are telling them and that's OK, we're fans. The greatest problem is management has taken way, way, to long to man up and make the chnages that are needed. Now we have a player worth very little, few other GM's have an apatite for JV. He's not only unable to live up to expectations but we've compounded the problem by management falling into the ostrich syndrome, a wasted asset

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8 hours ago, Fred65 said:

Fans for what ever reason have been inclined to listen to the hype and media and that's OK. Too many simply don't believe what their own eyes are telling them and that's OK, we're fans. The greatest problem is management has taken way, way, to long to man up and make the chnages that are needed. Now we have a player worth very little, few other GM's have an apatite for JV. He's not only unable to live up to expectations but we've compounded the problem by management falling into the ostrich syndrome, a wasted asset

Actually...it is not that. I think the problem is people still expect him to be the no.6 pick level type of player. For me, I think it is understanding he won't be that player but a serviceable player going forward that can play up and down your lineup and does not negatively affect your team. Yes, he may be pushed out by rookies coming in (i.e. Hogs) but he is decent priced for the fact that he can give some offence and not be a defensive liability. I think everyone is still hating on him because they keep on thinking what he could become but I think as long as you get over that, you will be fine with what he is now.

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I think the Virtanen experiment has reached its conclusion.  Playing in the NHL is 90% mental.  There are lots of great players coming out of junior who couldn't make it in the NHL.  Even 1st overall picks.  Mentally you have to be really strong to play at your best all the time with all the pressure of being a pro.  You don't get that in junior hockey or in the AHL.  Lots of guys with great talent have busted in the NHL or turned into 3rd and 4th line players after being drafted in the top 10. 

 

Jake is going to be one of those guys who was drafted real high but ends up as a 3rd line role player.  Unfortunately, with our team we need our 3rd line to be a shutdown line, so we need someone on that line more responsible defensively than Jake.  He's not a real energy guy either who can play on the 4th line.  He would be best served on a team that lacks scoring up front and maybe he can squeeze himself into a top 6 role on another team.  If so he could become a 20 goal scorer.  In Vancouver with Hoglander and Podkolzin there is no room for Jake.  We even have Kole Lind coming up who can play both wing and centre and has a good two way game who will be able to take a spot on the 3rd line.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

I think the Virtanen experiment has reached its conclusion.  Playing in the NHL is 90% mental.  There are lots of great players coming out of junior who couldn't make it in the NHL.  Even 1st overall picks.  Mentally you have to be really strong to play at your best all the time with all the pressure of being a pro.  You don't get that in junior hockey or in the AHL.  Lots of guys with great talent have busted in the NHL or turned into 3rd and 4th line players after being drafted in the top 10. 

 

Jake is going to be one of those guys who was drafted real high but ends up as a 3rd line role player.  Unfortunately, with our team we need our 3rd line to be a shutdown line, so we need someone on that line more responsible defensively than Jake.  He's not a real energy guy either who can play on the 4th line.  He would be best served on a team that lacks scoring up front and maybe he can squeeze himself into a top 6 role on another team.  If so he could become a 20 goal scorer.  In Vancouver with Hoglander and Podkolzin there is no room for Jake.  We even have Kole Lind coming up who can play both wing and centre and has a good two way game who will be able to take a spot on the 3rd line.

 

 

Yeah, seems like Jake's time in blue and green may be coming to an end. Who knows. 

 

But your right in that there are prospects that have either taken advantage - like Höglander - or prospects coming and by the sounds of it, could push Virtanen further down the roster (like Podkolzin). His time is running out. I'm not sure if he realizes that. Maybe he just thinks that another team will pick him up, and he'll get another opportunity. 

 

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13 hours ago, Fred65 said:

Fans for what ever reason have been inclined to listen to the hype and media and that's OK. Too many simply don't believe what their own eyes are telling them and that's OK, we're fans. The greatest problem is management has taken way, way, to long to man up and make the chnages that are needed. Now we have a player worth very little, few other GM's have an apatite for JV. He's not only unable to live up to expectations but we've compounded the problem by management falling into the ostrich syndrome, a wasted asset

If he does remain a Canuck, he's going to be an underwhelming Canuck. Middle six if he can learn to play well defensively, or a bottom six player. Worse case scenario is that he becomes an NHL depth player. Too good to be in the AHL, but not quite good enough to be on a good NHL roster. I wonder if a team like Ottawa would be interested in him. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, N4ZZY said:

If he does remain a Canuck, he's going to be an underwhelming Canuck. Middle six if he can learn to play well defensively, or a bottom six player. Worse case scenario is that he becomes an NHL depth player. Too good to be in the AHL, but not quite good enough to be on a good NHL roster. I wonder if a team like Ottawa would be interested in him. 

 

 

"Too good to be in the AHL"

 

Are you sure about that? 

This was his last AHL season. I don't recall ever hearing anything like that or see it with my own eyes ever.

Stats sure don't back it up either...

Sure like to see him sent down there to see if he could even prove your point now? What are our options? Apparently his trade value is next to none. So trading him for nothing to possibly see him wake up there. We gain nothing from this.

Maybe knowing this being his last chance to get back to the show actually wakes Jake up? 

But Maybe he can work his butt off like he should've earned it in the 1st place the good old way instead of handing it to him like a silver spoon, and we finally get the Jake we all dreamed about. 

Or do I need to wake up again.   :bored:

 

 

  Regular Season Playoffs Vitals
# Player Name Pos. GP G A Pts PIM +/- GP G A Pts PIM Birthplace Age
  Darren Archibald R 76 23 24 47 58 -8 -- -- -- -- -- ONT: Newmarket 26
  Curtis Valk C 75 16 30 46 49 -3 -- -- -- -- -- ALTA: Medicine Hat 23
  Alexandre Grenier R 69 17 28 45 52 -15 -- -- -- -- -- PQ: Laval 24
  Cody Kunyk F 61 15 22 37 16 -6 -- -- -- -- -- ALTA: Sherwood Park 26
  Jordan Subban D 65 16 20 36 36 -12 -- -- -- -- -- ONT: Rexdale 21
  Pascal Pelletier C 52 10 18 28 20 2 -- -- -- -- -- NFLD: Labrador City 33
  Colby Robak 1 D 64 3 25 28 54 3 -- -- -- -- -- MAN: Dauphin 26
  Borna Rendulic R 69 12 11 23 30 3 -- -- -- -- -- Croatia: Zagreb 24
  Evan McEneny D 64 8 15 23 20 -6 -- -- -- -- -- ONT: Hamilton 22
  Carter Bancks L 69 10 12 22 27 -3 -- -- -- -- -- BC: Marysville 27
  Chad Billins D 72 3 17 20 16 4 -- -- -- -- -- MI: Port Huron 27
  Jake Virtanen R 65 9 10 19 48 -11 -- -- -- -- -- BC: Langley 20
  Wacey Hamilton F 67 9 10 19 93 -1 -- -- -- -- -- ALTA: Cochrane 25
  Mike Zalewski L 54 5 13 18 36 11 -- -- -- -- -- NY: New Hartford 24
  Michael Carcone L 61 5 13 18 31 4           ONT: Ajax 20
  Joseph LaBate L 38 6 10 16 80 -6 -- -- -- -- -- MN: Eagan 23
  Michael Chaput C 10 2 11 13 10 -1           PQ: Ile-Bizard 24
  Cole Cassels C 66 6 5 11 33 -5 -- -- -- -- -- CT: Hartford 21
  Andrey Pedan D 52 5 5 10 100 -4 -- -- -- -- -- Lithuania: Kaunas 23
  David Shields D 48 0 10 10 8 -9 -- -- -- -- -- NY: Rochester 25
  Marco Roy C 23 1 5 6 6 1 -- -- -- -- -- PQ: Boisbriand

 

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His one shift when he got nailed by Romanov and then finally woke up and threw a few huge hits is how he needs to play all the time. He was a different player after that. I think Green should tell Jake to shadow one of the opposing teams stars like he did with Malkin that one game and had one of his best games ever. It would keep him engaged and he has the speed and power to keep up with anyone in the league. 

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9 minutes ago, Elias_Pettersson said:

His one shift when he got nailed by Romanov and then finally woke up and threw a few huge hits is how he needs to play all the time. He was a different player after that. I think Green should tell Jake to shadow one of the opposing teams stars like he did with Malkin that one game and had one of his best games ever. It would keep him engaged and he has the speed and power to keep up with anyone in the league. 

the hits were great, but he needs to do more than that

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1 hour ago, Elias_Pettersson said:

His one shift when he got nailed by Romanov and then finally woke up and threw a few huge hits is how he needs to play all the time. He was a different player after that. I think Green should tell Jake to shadow one of the opposing teams stars like he did with Malkin that one game and had one of his best games ever. It would keep him engaged and he has the speed and power to keep up with anyone in the league. 

That's all most realistic fans want.  

He's never going to be a Bertuzzi or a poor man's Ovechkin.  

Fans just want him to be a Tom Wilson or Raffi Torres type player.  Chips in 40 points, but physicality being his main attribute.  

 

The main problem is that Virtanen is a nice kid.  He's just a faster version of Taylor Pyatt currently.  A big guy... but kind of a friendly giant.  

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47 minutes ago, Lancaster said:

That's all most realistic fans want.  

He's never going to be a Bertuzzi or a poor man's Ovechkin.  

Fans just want him to be a Tom Wilson or Raffi Torres type player.  Chips in 40 points, but physicality being his main attribute.  

 

The main problem is that Virtanen is a nice kid.  He's just a faster version of Taylor Pyatt currently.  A big guy... but kind of a friendly giant.  

He reminds me of a poor mans version of Clarke Gillies. Similar draft positions, similar in size but big difference in willingness to be a force to recon with on the ice. If something set Gillies off, he went into full beast mode whereas nothing seems to set Virtanen off. He could be one heck of a player if he just had a bit of that mean streak.

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