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6 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said:

So would almost every NHL team. The chance of him needing to sign a contract like that is zero.

Virtanen has more overall production but takes whole games off. Motte doesn't take shifts off, is going full out, all the time.

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1 minute ago, VegasCanuck said:

Virtanen has more overall production but takes whole games off. Motte doesn't take shifts off, is going full out, all the time.

That may be the case, but NHL players get paid, at least in part, for their production. If you choose to believe that a player with Jake's production can be signed for 1.5M, good luck with that. 

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1 minute ago, WeneedLumme said:

That may be the case, but NHL players get paid, at least in part, for their production. If you choose to believe that a player with Jake's production can be signed for 1.5M, good luck with that. 

In any other off season, I'd agree with you, but this off season, teams are very conscious of dollars and are very aware that when a playoff series is on the line, its guys who elevate their game (Motte) who turn things around, not players who coast and act disinterested (Jake).

 

I think if someone had been willing to give us a 2nd round pick in this years draft (approximate 2 - 3 million offer sheet valuation) that he would have been traded.

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2 hours ago, VegasCanuck said:

In any other off season, I'd agree with you, but this off season, teams are very conscious of dollars and are very aware that when a playoff series is on the line, its guys who elevate their game (Motte) who turn things around, not players who coast and act disinterested (Jake).

 

I think if someone had been willing to give us a 2nd round pick in this years draft (approximate 2 - 3 million offer sheet valuation) that he would have been traded.

You may be  right VC

Jake was a high 1st round draft pick though, has he fallen off that much that you can not recoup even a 2nd round pick in return, even with years of NHL experience, no one would offer a 2nd round pick?, what kind of player do they expect to get holding onto a 2nd round pick over one who has proven when motivated he can play the NHL game?

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I'm okay keeping Jake. He doesn't cost a lot. He's young. He's got all of the tools, except he struggles with some things. Late bloomer, he'll rip it up at 25. 

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44 minutes ago, Rick_theRyper said:

When do we hear anything about the arbitration? 

He has filed for arbitration per the NHLPA.  

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1 hour ago, garthsbutcher said:

Package him up please 

I'm not certain on the specific rules, but I doubt you can trade an RFA after he's filed for arbitration and before his arbitration hearing.

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If you don't like the determined number, one can just walk away..correct?

 

At this point, might be better to roll dice on Kole Lind or Bailey...

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On 10/11/2020 at 8:49 AM, Nuxfanabroad said:

If you don't like the determined number, one can just walk away..correct?

 

At this point, might be better to roll dice on Kole Lind or Bailey...

No you can't walk away from an arbitration award (then what is the point of an arbitration). The only exception is if the award amount is over $4,538,958 

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On 10/11/2020 at 1:52 AM, -AJ- said:

I'm not certain on the specific rules, but I doubt you can trade an RFA after he's filed for arbitration and before his arbitration hearing.

He can still be traded.  The hearing would simply be with his new team. 

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Interesting note: under the new CBA, apparently once the actual arbitration hearing starts, a deal cannot be struck between the team and player and both sides are forced to look only at the arbitrator's decision. I'm not sure how long hearings usually are though, so I'm not sure how significant that is.

 

Just means that Virtanen would need a deal before the hearing starts or otherwise only have the arbitrator's choice instead.

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1 minute ago, -AJ- said:

Interesting note: under the new CBA, apparently once the actual arbitration hearing starts, a deal cannot be struck between the team and player and both sides are forced to look only at the arbitrator's decision. I'm not sure how long hearings usually are though, so I'm not sure how significant that is.

 

Just means that Virtanen would need a deal before the hearing starts or otherwise only have the arbitrator's choice instead.

 

Subban signed his deal after the hearing already took place and before the verdict.  Smith also signed after the hearing with Nashville.  

 

Both sides get to see the arguments of the other side and can get a better feel of where the award could fall.  It also allows them to sign long term.  The award can only be for 1 year or 2 years.  The team has to decide beforehand but can't buy a UFA year - ie a player 1-year to UFA can only receive a 1-year award.

 

 

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53 minutes ago, mll said:

 

Subban signed his deal after the hearing already took place and before the verdict.  Smith also signed after the hearing with Nashville.  

 

Both sides get to see the arguments of the other side and can get a better feel of where the award could fall.  It also allows them to sign long term.  The award can only be for 1 year or 2 years.  The team has to decide beforehand but can't buy a UFA year - ie a player 1-year to UFA can only receive a 1-year award.

 

 

I looked into Cap Friendly and can't find anything supporting my post, which surprises me. I heard that from Shannon (The Hockey Guy) and he referenced Cap Friendly as his source, but I can't find anything about that.

 

https://www.capfriendly.com/arbitration

 

You might be right.

 

Was the recent CBA agreement to extend the current one with no changes at all? I thought some changes were made, but maybe I'm wrong.

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Don't know what leverage he has, he was scoring at a 20 goal pace during the regular season then was invisible with 2 goals 1 assist in 16 playoff games. 

 

Yes, on the cusp of a breakout, but that bad playoffs IMO means he deserves less. 

 

Gaudette deserves 1-1.5M, Virtanen deserves 2-2.25M. Both 1-2 yr deals, max.

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I would love to be a fly on the wall in that arbitration hearing. Jake's going to get ripped into. He should avoid all of that and simply sign a cheaper short term deal now. If I were him, take a 1 year show me deal. He's on the cusp of a bigger role now that Toffoli isn't blocking his way. It's his spot to lose IMO.

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