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It comes down to getting out of his own way. JV is ineffective when he over thinks his game. His decision making becomes slow and he appears confused by what he is meant to do. When he is in the moment and flowing (bjj terms) his skill comes forward... and luck has an easier time finding him too. 

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1 hour ago, stawns said:

Or maybe Green just give him more than a period playing in the top 6 so he can actually get comfortable and get in a groove

Perhaps a bit of both. Either way; I am glad to see him have a positive contribution on the team and hope he can repeat his performance tomorrow against the laughers. Canucks need all the help they can get and everyone pulling in the same direction in order to get back in the playoff hunt.

 

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3 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said:

Perhaps a bit of both. Either way; I am glad to see him have a positive contribution on the team and hope he can repeat his performance tomorrow against the laughers. Canucks need all the help they can get and everyone pulling in the same direction in order to get back in the playoff hunt.

 

Agreed

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1 hour ago, CR7 said:

How was his second goal a fluke, very curious?

'Fluke' might not be the best word but 9 out of 10 times a better goalie has that covered. Good on him to be skating and engaged last game to get the opportunity in the first place and being able to execute on what a 3rd string goalie left him. But that's not a goal that's likely to be replicated often or something to base hope for a trend on.

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Next few games for Jake  will be his biggest in a Canucks uniform.  He has always shown flashes like last night, but then disappears for the next dozen games.  I genuinely believe this is his last shot with us, put up or shut up time.  I'm really pulling for him to show us what he's got, because I really don't want to see a guy with his upside get dealt.  I don't think we can win a trade that involves him.

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2 hours ago, hammertime said:

Jake is so frustrating. The fact that he has this abiliy but instead plays like dog feces most nights. It was nice to see but it only really serves to illuminate what a lazy sac he is.

No kidding, he was an absolute horse last night. It’s too bad it took 27 games to get an inspired effort from him. Hopefully that’s a turning point and not just a one off because we could really use an effective JV18. If he plays like that I like this teams chances to battle back in the division

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5 minutes ago, Marv-the-wet-bandit said:

No kidding, he was an absolute horse last night. It’s too bad it took 27 games to get an inspired effort from him. Hopefully that’s a turning point and not just a one off because we could really use an effective JV18. If he plays like that I like this teams chances to battle back in the division

Wouldn't get my hoped up.

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Maybe we should dress him as a left wing more often.  That power forward move he pulled on the first goal was because Hughes caught him in stride with the pass then he put down his shoulder and drove to the net.  It's straightforward but effective, maybe moreso than having him carry in as a RW and try to cycle or snipe often (which isn't really his game).

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30 minutes ago, Phil_314 said:

Maybe we should dress him as a left wing more often.  That power forward move he pulled on the first goal was because Hughes caught him in stride with the pass then he put down his shoulder and drove to the net.  It's straightforward but effective, maybe moreso than having him carry in as a RW and try to cycle or snipe often (which isn't really his game).

He never really does any cycle stuff. He immediately goes to the front of the net in the ozone.

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1 hour ago, hammertime said:

Wouldn't get my hoped up.

My hopes aren’t up. I’ve seen a large sample size from him and unfortunately games like last nights are an outlier for him. I don’t think last night happened to be the turning point, but it would sure be nice if it was. 

 

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7 hours ago, aGENT said:

'Fluke' might not be the best word but 9 out of 10 times a better goalie has that covered. Good on him to be skating and engaged last game to get the opportunity in the first place and being able to execute on what a 3rd string goalie left him. But that's not a goal that's likely to be replicated often or something to base hope for a trend on.

9 times out of 10, whatever you do an NHL goalie is going to stop it. So any one occasion if you score it is likely to take some luck. But if you crash the net 10 times and get one goal, that goal is not luck, same as that over the shoulder shot, try it 10 times and get one goal, it's not really luck.

 

If Jake continues to crash the net like that and take shots like that, he will get his share. I hope he does because he needs 11 more goals this year for me to win a bet. I think at this point my chances are about the same as the Canucks chances of making the playoffs.

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5 hours ago, Phil_314 said:

Maybe we should dress him as a left wing more often.  That power forward move he pulled on the first goal was because Hughes caught him in stride with the pass then he put down his shoulder and drove to the net.  It's straightforward but effective, maybe moreso than having him carry in as a RW and try to cycle or snipe often (which isn't really his game).

Virtanen is a classic power forward who likes to drive to the net. You can’t do that effectively unless you are on your off wing. Bertuzzi was a master at it. Bure was as well. Virtanen looks more comfortable on left wing. They should play Pearson on the right in the offensive zone and Virtanen on the left. Once Podkolzin arrives a Virtanen  Horvat  Podkolzin line could be very effective. Let’s see what happens with Jake the rest of the year. At the very least Green needs to play him with BO. Playing him on the 4th line with Beagle is a waste of time. 

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10 hours ago, reyezone said:

It comes down to getting out of his own way. JV is ineffective when he over thinks his game. His decision making becomes slow and he appears confused by what he is meant to do. When he is in the moment and flowing (bjj terms) his skill comes forward... and luck has an easier time finding him too. 

This. Jake doesn't have the high hockey IQ to overcome bad games/stretches so he overthinks it which takes away from his natural instincts.

 

When he has his confidence, he's on.

 

Still, think it's best to trade him while he has value.

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3 minutes ago, MrCanuck94 said:

This. Jake doesn't have the high hockey IQ to overcome bad games/stretches so he overthinks it which takes away from his natural instincts.

 

When he has his confidence, he's on.

 

Still, think it's best to trade him while he has value.

He doesn't have a great hockey IQ, but he is an eager kid with great tools who is willing to learn, he just takes a while to do so.

 

Situations where a Petey, Huggy or Hogs might see immediately what to do, Jake needs to see and get his nose rubbed in quite a few times before he finally recognizes the pattern and doesn't need to think about it any more.

 

He has improved a little each year, and that is likely to continue, because the more experience Jake gets, the more effective he is going to be.

 

Because it takes this kind of player so long to learn, and because power forwards tend to accumulate damage over time, he is likely to have a relatively short window of peak effectiveness, probably starting at age 25 or 26. 

 

Fortunately, that window looks like it will coincide with those of our best young players who are a bit younger than he is but who learn more quickly. 

 

Imagine a Jake regularly playing like he did last night, when Petey, Brock, Hogs, Bo, Huggy, Podz etc, etc, etc,, are all a little older, stronger and more experienced.

 

Imo it would be a mistake to trade him now.

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The size of this thread is 1400+ plus pages indicates how polarizing JV is, lots of people are waiting for the consistent JV that we saw against the Laffs last night were he was very engaged.   Is this the biggest thread ever in this forum (ever) - anybody knows ?

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Jake is gonna get removed from the top 6 at some point, his numbers are gonna drop, everyone for some reason is gonna be dumbfounded as to how his numbers dropped after sinking into the black hole that we call a bottom 6. I am just waiting for that train, it's never late.

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4 hours ago, ShawnAntoski said:

The size of this thread is 1400+ plus pages indicates how polarizing JV is, lots of people are waiting for the consistent JV that we saw against the Laffs last night were he was very engaged.   Is this the biggest thread ever in this forum (ever) - anybody knows ?

Off Topic threads get longer. The US Politics thread is about 3 times the length and has been around for two fewer years. The God thread back in the day was also incredibly long and I think longer than the Virtanen thread too. 

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