ba;;isticsports 746 Posted October 13, 2020 31 minutes ago, theo5789 said: I would love to be a fly on the wall in that arbitration hearing. Jake's going to get ripped into. He should avoid all of that and simply sign a cheaper short term deal now. If I were him, take a 1 year show me deal. He's on the cusp of a bigger role now that Toffoli isn't blocking his way. It's his spot to lose IMO. Jake wants the money though, doesn't care what people say TT was never blocking his way It was Jakes spot to lose from the beginning and he did lose it Benning came out in Dec and stated i wanna get another top 6 forward Feb BB gets hurt TT signed, 10 games later season cancelled Not sure what the plan on Jake is, but i am indifferent either way now , but him getting a long term pricey contract would be upsetting, as i am hoping we have motivated skilled players to replace him that want to improve their game, and not just their wallet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DownUndaCanuck 4,510 Posted October 13, 2020 37 minutes ago, theo5789 said: I would love to be a fly on the wall in that arbitration hearing. Jake's going to get ripped into. He should avoid all of that and simply sign a cheaper short term deal now. If I were him, take a 1 year show me deal. He's on the cusp of a bigger role now that Toffoli isn't blocking his way. It's his spot to lose IMO. Completely agree, I thought arbittation would only do him damage. Maybe after the regular season, but that pathetic post season bumps him from a 3M to a 2M tops IMO. They drafted him for physicality and he didn't even bring that. No hitting, no defence and 3rd line scoring isn't worth more than 2.5M. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rush17 10,407 Posted October 13, 2020 Page 1400 folks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garthsbutcher 648 Posted October 13, 2020 21 minutes ago, Rush17 said: Page 1400 folks! thats what i would pay him 1.4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kootenay Gold 1,406 Posted October 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, garthsbutcher said: thats what i would pay him 1.4 I'm still waiting on him to deliver us a point / post lol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mll 7,641 Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/12/2020 at 10:24 PM, -AJ- said: I looked into Cap Friendly and can't find anything supporting my post, which surprises me. I heard that from Shannon (The Hockey Guy) and he referenced Cap Friendly as his source, but I can't find anything about that. https://www.capfriendly.com/arbitration You might be right. Was the recent CBA agreement to extend the current one with no changes at all? I thought some changes were made, but maybe I'm wrong. You are correct - the process has been changed. Once the hearing is underway they can no longer negotiate a contract. I was simply reacting to you wondering if that would be significant. To me it is - Subban / Smith interrupted the hearing process to sign long term contracts rather than get a 1 or 2 year award. That's no longer an option. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-AJ- 15,429 Posted October 13, 2020 29 minutes ago, mll said: You are correct - the process has been changed. Once the hearing is underway they can no longer negotiate a contract. I was simply reacting to you wondering if that would be significant. To me it is - Subban / Smith interrupted the hearing process to sign long term contracts rather than get a 1 or 2 year award. That's no longer an option. It's probably a non-factor for most situations, yeah. I suspect deals being settled would be before the hearing 95% of the time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mll 7,641 Posted October 13, 2020 Hearing date set. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captainhorvat 2,915 Posted October 13, 2020 Damn when they gonna trade this plug? He needs to go! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canucks-12 698 Posted October 14, 2020 Hoping Jake stays. Still young and improving. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chicken. 3,610 Posted October 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Canucks-12 said: Hoping Jake stays. Still young and improving. I was hoping for a hometown discount. If he goes to arbitration and has a big price tag going into next season the expectations only go up. I hope he is committed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maddogy 262 Posted October 14, 2020 I’ve defended Jake many times preaching patience and predicting that the playoffs will bring out the best of him. Now I don’t give a damn about him. If Vancouver let’s him go as a free agent so be it. Maybe one day he will mature and reach his full potential. I don’t care. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Law of Goalies 236 Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Maddogy said: I’ve defended Jake many times preaching patience and predicting that the playoffs will bring out the best of him. Now I don’t give a damn about him. If Vancouver let’s him go as a free agent so be it. Maybe one day he will mature and reach his full potential. I don’t care. You know it doesn't work that way as he is a RFA and has arbitration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Law of Goalies 236 Posted October 14, 2020 7 hours ago, garthsbutcher said: thats what i would pay him 1.4 LOLZ..sure bro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DownUndaCanuck 4,510 Posted October 14, 2020 You've got to think JB is losing his patience with this kid but to be fair, he did go out and pick him knowing full well that a physical forward would take longer to develop than the skilled guys like Nylander and Ehlers who basically started scoring right away. Now we're several years down the line, I still think Virtanen is yet to play his best hockey and may really surprise us still in 3-5 years but we need something more positive in terms of work ethic and physicality. I've seen Nylander and Ehlers play and hell, fair play to Ehlers who throws his tiny body around more than Virtanen. Nylander doesn't really, he's much more of a perimeter player, but he's almost a point per game. Those two are entering their prime now which would have coincided nicely with the rest of our young squad whereas I think Jake is still far off. If he can get 20-30 goals then I'd be happy and he may do that this coming season but JB has to practice the patience that he knew he'd have to show when he picked this guy over Nylander. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Provost 7,253 Posted October 14, 2020 Dhaliwal is saying that Virtanen's camp wants to do a deal before arb. Somewhere between $2.5-3.0. That would certainly make it easier to trade him if there was cost certainty! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J-P 499 Posted October 14, 2020 7 hours ago, Provost said: Dhaliwal is saying that Virtanen's camp wants to do a deal before arb. Somewhere between $2.5-3.0. That would certainly make it easier to trade him if there was cost certainty! Yeah a 2 year deal around 2.5 is what I expect will happen, and that's a compromise everyone should be ok with. Arbitration hearings rarely end well, more often than not it creates a rift between player and team and few players receiving arbitration awards stay on their team for more than a season or so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boudrias 6,844 Posted October 14, 2020 I doubt JB thinks he will get value by trading Virtanen. More likely he hangs onto him to see how he plays particularly if he gets serious time on the 2nd line. For Jake it is all about consistency and all that is required to achieve that. Vancouver has to have size and more physicality and Jake has that potential. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captainhorvat 2,915 Posted October 14, 2020 Just checking to see if Jakes been traded yet... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googlie 3,902 Posted October 14, 2020 Interesting article today in Canucks Army ..... https://canucksarmy.com/2020/10/14/jake-virtanen-time-top-line-better-used Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites