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10 minutes ago, FaninMex said:

Have you forgotten that JV was playing with Roussel and Beagle? That whole line has generated some opportunity and played well together but nothing was going in. They were also starting the majority of the time in their D zone. 

How many points are they supposed to get? Remember to that Green often will play the PP1 the full 2 minutes. Gaudette on the other hand was getting better quality minutes with better linemates despite what downunder was saying.

Both Beagle and Roussel have spent almost no time on the PP, whereas Virtanen does get some PP time. In addition, Beagle and Roussel also play many minutes shorthanded, whereas Virtanen never does.

 

Virtanen has the lowest points-per even strength minute of every forward on the team other than those with 0 points. He's scored one point per 103.5 minutes of even strength ice time. Roussel, has scored 1 point per roughly 93 minutes of even strength ice time, and is the 2nd worst on the team. Beagle is at 55.6 minutes of even strength time per point.

 

Virtanen is being given little opportunity, but even still, he's underperforming. It's unreasonable to expect him to score at a 20-goal pace given his usage, but it's not unreasonable to expect far more than 3 points. If we assume he's on par with Beagle, he should at least be closer to 6 points, and I'm sure we all want him to score more points than Beagle.

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52 minutes ago, -AJ- said:

Both Beagle and Roussel have spent almost no time on the PP, whereas Virtanen does get some PP time. In addition, Beagle and Roussel also play many minutes shorthanded, whereas Virtanen never does.

 

Virtanen has the lowest points-per even strength minute of every forward on the team other than those with 0 points. He's scored one point per 103.5 minutes of even strength ice time. Roussel, has scored 1 point per roughly 93 minutes of even strength ice time, and is the 2nd worst on the team. Beagle is at 55.6 minutes of even strength time per point.

 

Virtanen is being given little opportunity, but even still, he's underperforming. It's unreasonable to expect him to score at a 20-goal pace given his usage, but it's not unreasonable to expect far more than 3 points. If we assume he's on par with Beagle, he should at least be closer to 6 points, and I'm sure we all want him to score more points than Beagle.

What was his TOI average for the early games? Wasn't it like 7-9 min. That makes a difference than if he was getting 12+ as you are more engaged and things just happen more.

He is now averaging 12+ and he has been getting good looks and just missing the holes. I can think of a number of chances that have opened up for him but have just missed recently.

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9 hours ago, CanuckleHorse said:

I love how the haters try and call him slow :bigblush:McJebus had a slight lead and Jake still left him behind.

ps: was that slash in the hands called?

Has anyone called him slow ? (maybe in his thought process)

Comparing him to McDavid is embarrassing, especially something so long ago and an isolated incident, because the Oilers only win when he scores, he does get tired or plays injured most likely.

Comparing Jake to Mason Raymond is a better comparable

There is definitely more to hockey than speed skating,( as Jake shows  us) or we should have hired Canadian Gaetan Bouche who i am sure touched a hockey stick

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I've noticed he has become much better at making plays in his own zone to get the puck out or pass to a teammate.  He was atrocious at this early in his career and even earlier this season.  He was decent last game, made some good plays on the cycle and had a couple of chances but needs to bear down and bury some sooner or later.  

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The year before JT got here he scored 13g in 75 games.  Every player goes through slumps that impact their whole seasons at different times in their carrers.  Jake seems to be a far better player this year.  He is making good passes and winning more puck battles along the boards.  Gaudette, Big Mac and Rousell all have been more undisciplined defensively and taken too many bad penalties.  Jake is doing everything pretty good and is just struggling putting the puck in the net.  I think comparing Jake to a player who would not go to the hard places and seemed to just skate around the peripheral and taking shots from too far away to have any impact (Mason Raymond).  They are nothing alike. B) 

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2 hours ago, ba;;isticsports said:

Has anyone called him slow ? (maybe in his thought process)

Comparing him to McDavid is embarrassing, especially something so long ago and an isolated incident, because the Oilers only win when he scores, he does get tired or plays injured most likely.

Comparing Jake to Mason Raymond is a better comparable

There is definitely more to hockey than speed skating,( as Jake shows  us) or we should have hired Canadian Gaetan Bouche who i am sure touched a hockey stick

Some of the idiots try their best to slag Jake most are the McJebus fans who still are butt hurt over that hit in the young-stars game :P

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For a team to be successful every one has to be working at peak efficiency. If not you loose or worse still you become average. To me Virtanen has at times looked ok but here's the problem. He's on the ice and sees what he has to do, say forecheck, get's there a little late but then has no plan B to recover. He's a one play hockey player, there's no flow to his game. He doesn't see the game he sees the play. Some suggest that maybe his hockey IQ is lacking and I suppose you could say that but his game has no flow to it, it's one and done until his next shift. He has the physical attributes for an individual game but not a full game plan. It's a shame but there you are, you can't chnage a players thought process. In a dog world he would be a retriever go get the stick but then what ?  

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7 hours ago, FaninMex said:

What was his TOI average for the early games? Wasn't it like 7-9 min. That makes a difference than if he was getting 12+ as you are more engaged and things just happen more.

He is now averaging 12+ and he has been getting good looks and just missing the holes. I can think of a number of chances that have opened up for him but have just missed recently.

I really do hope that Virtanen gets it together. I remain in his corner and was a big advocate of his after his 36 points in 69 games last year. I just want to call a spade a spade when I see it. Let's hope him getting more chances turns into points soon.

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1 hour ago, Fred65 said:

For a team to be successful every one has to be working at peak efficiency. If not you loose or worse still you become average. To me Virtanen has at times looked ok but here's the problem. He's on the ice and sees what he has to do, say forecheck, get's there a little late but then has no plan B to recover. He's a one play hockey player, there's no flow to his game. He doesn't see the game he sees the play. Some suggest that maybe his hockey IQ is lacking and I suppose you could say that but his game has no flow to it, it's one and done until his next shift. He has the physical attributes for an individual game but not a full game plan. It's a shame but there you are, you can't chnage a players thought process. In a dog world he would be a retriever go get the stick but then what ?  

So this reflects the coaching and lack of trust on him. He's keeping the game so simple that he's barely using all of his skills.

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1 hour ago, Fred65 said:

For a team to be successful every one has to be working at peak efficiency. If not you loose or worse still you become average. To me Virtanen has at times looked ok but here's the problem. He's on the ice and sees what he has to do, say forecheck, get's there a little late but then has no plan B to recover. He's a one play hockey player, there's no flow to his game. He doesn't see the game he sees the play. Some suggest that maybe his hockey IQ is lacking and I suppose you could say that but his game has no flow to it, it's one and done until his next shift. He has the physical attributes for an individual game but not a full game plan. It's a shame but there you are, you can't chnage a players thought process. In a dog world he would be a retriever go get the stick but then what ?  

He cannot skate faster than the puck so he is going to be late but like Motte he follows the play to the neutral zone and takes the last player because a winger should cover a D man in the corner where the Blue line meets the boards. What are you talking about? It's a shame that some posters think they know the game but do not even know where the winger should be in the D zone.

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10 hours ago, -AJ- said:

Both Beagle and Roussel have spent almost no time on the PP, whereas Virtanen does get some PP time. In addition, Beagle and Roussel also play many minutes shorthanded, whereas Virtanen never does.

 

Virtanen has the lowest points-per even strength minute of every forward on the team other than those with 0 points. He's scored one point per 103.5 minutes of even strength ice time. Roussel, has scored 1 point per roughly 93 minutes of even strength ice time, and is the 2nd worst on the team. Beagle is at 55.6 minutes of even strength time per point.

 

Virtanen is being given little opportunity, but even still, he's underperforming. It's unreasonable to expect him to score at a 20-goal pace given his usage, but it's not unreasonable to expect far more than 3 points. If we assume he's on par with Beagle, he should at least be closer to 6 points, and I'm sure we all want him to score more points than Beagle.

I agree that it's nearly impossible to justify Jake's point totals, but come on. He barely sees a lick of powerplay time, that second unit gets 20-30 seconds starting from behind their own net. First unit we all know. 2nd unit is Hogs, Gaudette, Pearson Schmidt and Myers. With Petey down I think Jake has gotten like 20-25 seconds of PP time every now and then. But with Petey healthy he doesn't sniff the PP anymore. Jake's suffering from an identity crisis. So many different voices in his head telling him what he should do. He is on a merry go round of linemates.

 

Still, he hasn't looked bad in his time with the 2nd line, but his lack of production is concerning. Not that it really matters, he was producing with them last season and was pulled off the top 6 when the team got healthy. He has helped create chances. Hell, in that game he had 2 goals in, he arguably could have walked away with like 1-3 assists as well if the team buried some of his passes. At this rate I am just hoping they can build a decent bottom 6 around Jake, Motter, and Gaudette.

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15 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

He's playing 2nd line winger minutes at the moment, what more does he want? He's even spent lots of time with Pettersson and Boeser/Miller on the 1st line.

 

Nothing but excuses his whole career, when are people going to say enough's enough and put the blame on him as a player? I trust JB will make the right decision when the time comes, evaluate his play over the last couple of seasons and see what happens.

 

He has admitted this is a hard year on the young guys but you can see around at this point in the season, the other young guys Demko and Gaudette are starting to play much better like their old selves. Jake hasn't got much/any offence going yet which is still a concern and he's playing with Bo and Pearson...he had 13 minutes which is more than most of our bottom-6 forwards as well.

Discussions about Jake instantly become less attractive the moment you realize this is more about posters not wanting to admit that they’ve been wrong about Virtanen over the past 7 years. 

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17 minutes ago, guntrix said:

Discussions about Jake instantly become less attractive the moment you realize this is more about posters not wanting to admit that they’ve been wrong about Virtanen over the past 7 years. 

I don't know if it's about right or wrong so much as it is determining when to give a player a chance and when it's time to move on.

 

For example, I still stand by what I've said 2 or 3 years ago regarding Virtanen as some players do take longer to develop and we need patience with our prospects. Spoiler alert, but not every 1st round pick lives up to expectations, and that's the case for every team in this league. lol

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33 minutes ago, The Lock said:

The thing is, there's more than just goal streaks. For example, look at Hoglander and how noticable he is on the ice even when he's not in a goal streak. If Virtanen could even head that direction of work ethic just a little bit, that could go a long way. It would have prevented him from going back to the bottom 6 after his goal streak.

 

Goals are one thing, but effort can really help in persuading a coach. I mostly think it's on Virtanen for not at least putting in the effort to stay on that top line because he was literally handed it to him on a silver platter and he kind of squandered it, which is unfortunate, because I really want him to succeed.

For the last 10 games Jake has been forechecking quite well.  I agree with what some have said in that, people have been so negative about Jake that they just can't be impartial any more.  Jake has been in checking mode with Bo and Pearson and Greener trust him there.  He is out in the last 5 min. of the game defending their leads and has looked good.  I think there is still a lot of hope for Jake. B)

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3 minutes ago, dpn1 said:

For the last 10 games Jake has been forechecking quite well.  I agree with what some have said in that, people have been so negative about Jake that they just can't be impartial any more.  Jake has been in checking mode with Bo and Pearson and Greener trust him there.  He is out in the last 5 min. of the game defending their leads and has looked good.  I think there is still a lot of hope for Jake. B)

There could be. The main thing there is having consistency. We've seen this before where he'll have a good 5 or 10 or 15 games and then he goes back to having less effort. We've seen this a lot unfortunately. lol

 

So I guess let's hope he finds that consistency.

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