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3 hours ago, rotiman187 said:

The difference is the rest of those players show up to most games. Guess virtanen single goal last night is enough to keep him in the lineup for the rest of the year for you. 

I guess you didn't pay attention for the first half of the year when no one but Höglander showed up to play 

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11 minutes ago, Chickenspear said:

I guess you didn't pay attention for the first half of the year when no one but Höglander showed up to play 

I dont think you compare JV with guys like Edler and Miller, those are proven guys. JV hasn't proven nothing in his career, except last year when he had 16 goals, then he comes into the bubble overweight. Now youd think he knows hes on his last straw in Vancouver, yet he has 4 goals and 0 assists, yes ZERO in 30 games . But its not his fault. Its the teams fault. 

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6 minutes ago, rotiman187 said:

I dont think you compare JV with guys like Edler and Miller, those are proven guys. JV hasn't proven nothing in his career, except last year when he had 16 goals, then he comes into the bubble overweight. Now youd think he knows hes on his last straw in Vancouver, yet he has 4 goals and 0 assists, yes ZERO in 30 games . But its not his fault. Its the teams fault. 

If they're proven guys, don't you think they should be held just as accountable as Jake because they should know better than to make numerous, unforced, defensive turnovers?

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2 minutes ago, Chickenspear said:

If they're proven guys, don't you think they should be held just as accountable as Jake because they should know better than to make numerous, unforced, defensive turnovers?

Now im lost. I didn't know JV was a defensive specialist. Hes a top 6 pick who we expect to produce and play a physical game. He does neither of those things. 

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1 minute ago, rotiman187 said:

Now im lost. I didn't know JV was a defensive specialist. Hes a top 6 pick who we expect to produce and play a physical game. He does neither of those things. 

He's 3rd on the team in hits (63), and his offensive numbers have been increasing every year before this season, with a couple more until he should be peaking. He's a solid 3rd/fringe 2nd liner when he's on. BTW, I don't think anyone expects him to play up to his draft position this far into his career. He was a "top 6 pick" in a draft 6 years ago... get over it.

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3 minutes ago, Chickenspear said:

He's 3rd on the team in hits (63), and his offensive numbers have been increasing every year before this season, with a couple more until he should be peaking. He's a solid 3rd/fringe 2nd liner when he's on. BTW, I don't think anyone expects him to play up to his draft position this far into his career. He was a "top 6 pick" in a draft 6 years ago... get over it.

Yes i dont expect him to be a top 6 quality player, but its alright to have  4 goals, 0 assists in 30 games from a top 6 pick right? Don't be suprised now JV isn't in the lineup come next season. 

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1 hour ago, rotiman187 said:

Yes i dont expect him to be a top 6 quality player, but its alright to have  4 goals, 0 assists in 30 games from a top 6 pick right? Don't be suprised now JV isn't in the lineup come next season. 

Can you proofread your post? First part you say that you don't expect him to be a top 6 player but the second part, you disappointed he only has 4 goals as a top 6 player, so what is it buddy? 

 

And also, him being overweight at training camp is so two years ago, stop living in the past. 

 

As another poster said, if he wasn't top 10, this thread wouldn't have been this long. It is not cherry picking when you are ignoring his draft status, it's just appreciating him as a serviceable, middle 6 forward. 

 

 

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49 minutes ago, Law of Goalies said:

Can you proofread your post? First part you say that you don't expect him to be a top 6 player but the second part, you disappointed he only has 4 goals as a top 6 player, so what is it buddy? 

 

And also, him being overweight at training camp is so two years ago, stop living in the past. 

 

As another poster said, if he wasn't top 10, this thread wouldn't have been this long. It is not cherry picking when you are ignoring his draft status, it's just appreciating him as a serviceable, middle 6 forward. 

 

 

Serviceable player who shows up every 10 games? He is worth no where near 2.5 for what he brings. 

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3 hours ago, rotiman187 said:

Serviceable player who shows up every 10 games? He is worth no where near 2.5 for what he brings. 

I'm sorry, my bad, I misunderstood you. I thought you are more than a scoreboard and stat sheet watcher, I guess I was wrong. If based on scoreboard and stat sheet, yes, Jake is not worth the 2.5. But if you bothered to watch the actual games, even dating back to last year, you wouldn't be making these comments and he is worth the price tag. 

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14 hours ago, rotiman187 said:

Yes i dont expect him to be a top 6 quality player, but its alright to have  4 goals, 0 assists in 30 games from a top 6 pick right? Don't be suprised now JV isn't in the lineup come next season. 

I sure see a lot of this "top 6", "top 6", nonsense. Have you guys never heard of the concept of "sunk cost"?

 

Once you have acquired assets, it does not matter at all how much you paid for them, because there is nothing at all you can do to change that; all that matters is how much value they have now.

 

What draft picks or other assets we used to acquire Jake or Lind or Jasek or any other player have no bearing whatsoever on their value to the team. 

 

Any post that uses their draft position from years ago to measure their current value is beyond silly.

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3 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said:

I sure see a lot of this "top 6", "top 6", nonsense. Have you guys never heard of the concept of "sunk cost"?

 

Once you have acquired assets, it does not matter at all how much you paid for them, because there is nothing at all you can do to change that; all that matters is how much value they have now.

 

What draft picks or other assets we used to acquire Jake or Lind or Jasek or any other player have no bearing whatsoever on their value to the team. 

 

Any post that uses their draft position from years ago to measure their current value is beyond silly.

unfortunately Jake has been a bit expensive on both ends, his pick position and his current deal. When you look at players making similar money its pretty easy to argue we're not getting full value in comparison: https://www.capfriendly.com/comparables/jake-virtanen-10232

 

But then there are other guys like DeBrusk that are also having down years. 

 

So which is it, a weird off year, or is Jake ultimately an OK 3rd liner? I suspect we've seen peak Jake and its time to accept that or just move on. 

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1 hour ago, WeneedLumme said:

I sure see a lot of this "top 6", "top 6", nonsense. Have you guys never heard of the concept of "sunk cost"?

 

Once you have acquired assets, it does not matter at all how much you paid for them, because there is nothing at all you can do to change that; all that matters is how much value they have now.

 

What draft picks or other assets we used to acquire Jake or Lind or Jasek or any other player have no bearing whatsoever on their value to the team. 

 

Any post that uses their draft position from years ago to measure their current value is beyond silly.

Thanks for the obvious. I know we are stuck with him at the moment, but he is making bare minimum effort to help himself and the team. Youd think being in trade rumors would light a fire under your bum , not JV. 

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58 minutes ago, rotiman187 said:

Thanks for the obvious. I know we are stuck with him at the moment, but he is making bare minimum effort to help himself and the team. Youd think being in trade rumors would light a fire under your bum , not JV. 

Yes it is obvious. Although you seem to have missed the point when you state that "we are stuck with him", which is equally silly. So why do you keep spouting that "top 6 quality, top 6 pick" nonsense?

 

The only reason for whining about Jake's draft position is to take a shot at Benning. If you want to whine about how incompetent the guy who acquired Petey, Huggy, Brock, JT, Schmitt, Hogs, Pods, etc. for us is, maybe you should post it in one of the endless "We hate JB and we always will no matter what he does" threads.

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39 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said:

Yes it is obvious. Although you seem to have missed the point when you state that "we are stuck with him", which is equally silly. So why do you keep spouting that "top 6 quality, top 6 pick" nonsense?

 

The only reason for whining about Jake's draft position is to take a shot at Benning. If you want to whine about how incompetent the guy who acquired Petey, Huggy, Brock, JT, Schmitt, Hogs, Pods, etc. for us is, maybe you should post it in one of the endless "We hate JB and we always will no matter what he does" threads.

Excuse me for wanting a high pick to turn into decent player. You can go and look at my history, i supported JV all the way through until this year.  Funny how some fans such as you protect him so much and in return he comes out every night and floats around. 

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Jake has had a rough start to the season but the last 15 games his confidence has improved and His defensive game has also improved as well.  he doesn't look lost in the D-zone anymore.  His physical  game has also improve (Third in hits).  He is finely having consistency in his game as well.  The hyper focus on Draft position is not realistic.  The draft will always be a bit of a gamble trying to determine what an 18 year old teenager is going to be when he is 25 or 26.  No one gets it right all the time but JB seems to have been right more than he was wrong when it comes to the draft. B)

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13 minutes ago, dpn1 said:

Jake has had a rough start to the season but the last 15 games his confidence has improved and His defensive game has also improved as well.  he doesn't look lost in the D-zone anymore.  His physical  game has also improve (Third in hits).  He is finely having consistency in his game as well.  The hyper focus on Draft position is not realistic.  The draft will always be a bit of a gamble trying to determine what an 18 year old teenager is going to be when he is 25 or 26.  No one gets it right all the time but JB seems to have been right more than he was wrong when it comes to the draft. B)

Even draft position aside, he's been horrible. Doesn't do what a third liner is supposed to do, and I'm not convinced his recently improved form is going to be consistent. If he does better elsewhere it's not because we didn't give him a chance. 

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4 hours ago, 4petesake said:
Hearing the Canucks have talked to the Panthers about a possible trade scenario involving Jake Virtanen & one of Florida’s depth D— possibly Markus Nutivaraa. 26 year old D carries 2.7M AAV next season but $3.3M actual dollars. Almost mirrors Virtanen’s $3.4M dollars in 21-22.
 
 


 

Hind site is crazy. Jake was chosen 6th overall in 2014. Nutivaara was chosen 189th in 2015. Markus has obviously exceeded expectations, and Jake went in the opposite direction. 

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