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I'm not trying to teach any one that's Greens job and I'm not picking on the forecheck what I said was "say the forecheck" eg the forecheck, it could be the back check the third man high it could be any aspect of the game. I certainly never liked to see the winger in corner per se, but the system that Vcr employes is mainly the first forward back becomes the centre and every one fills in from that point. Virtanen seems only able to complete the initial assignment and if things go pear shaped he's lost, that's what I see but you make your own decision. I know there's an element on the board that are the Virtanen for Prime Minister brigade. There's a reason he hasn't become the player JB expected and the problem is identifying the problem and correcting it so far neither have happened

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2 hours ago, The Lock said:

The thing is, there's more than just goal streaks. For example, look at Hoglander and how noticable he is on the ice even when he's not in a goal streak. If Virtanen could even head that direction of work ethic just a little bit, that could go a long way. It would have prevented him from going back to the bottom 6 after his goal streak.

 

Goals are one thing, but effort can really help in persuading a coach. I mostly think it's on Virtanen for not at least putting in the effort to stay on that top line because he was literally handed it to him on a silver platter and he kind of squandered it, which is unfortunate, because I really want him to succeed.

I agree in some aspects because even last year, i watched him and he was consistently doing fine, albeit he wasn't setting the place on fire but he was decent overall and didn't really "disappear". Same with this year, at least the past 10-15 games, he had been quite noticeable even without scoring. 

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17 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

He's playing 2nd line winger minutes at the moment, what more does he want? He's even spent lots of time with Pettersson and Boeser/Miller on the 1st line.

 

Nothing but excuses his whole career, when are people going to say enough's enough and put the blame on him as a player? I trust JB will make the right decision when the time comes, evaluate his play over the last couple of seasons and see what happens.

 

He has admitted this is a hard year on the young guys but you can see around at this point in the season, the other young guys Demko and Gaudette are starting to play much better like their old selves. Jake hasn't got much/any offence going yet which is still a concern and he's playing with Bo and Pearson...he had 13 minutes which is more than most of our bottom-6 forwards as well.

That's what I don't understand from posters. 

Horvats line wasn't even generating offence before Jake joined it. And now people blame him for the fact that Horvat line has no offence, it's silly. Even hogs got more points now, playing with Miller and Boes. I'm not saying the problem is Horvat or Tanner but it is definitely not Jake's fault. 

In addition, saying jake has no offense because he had no assists is even more ridiculous. I have seen most of his offensive zone passes and it was mainly because the other person didn't finish. As another poster mentioned, he could of got 2-3 assists on his 2 goal game. Last year he got more assists because he fed those passes to Miller and Petey and they usually can finish those chances and he got more pp time. 

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14 hours ago, Fred65 said:

I'm not trying to teach any one that's Greens job and I'm not picking on the forecheck what I said was "say the forecheck" eg the forecheck, it could be the back check the third man high it could be any aspect of the game. I certainly never liked to see the winger in corner per se, but the system that Vcr employes is mainly the first forward back becomes the centre and every one fills in from that point. Virtanen seems only able to complete the initial assignment and if things go pear shaped he's lost, that's what I see but you make your own decision. I know there's an element on the board that are the Virtanen for Prime Minister brigade. There's a reason he hasn't become the player JB expected and the problem is identifying the problem and correcting it so far neither have happened

As you say,, we will have to agree to disagree on this but your thoughts were good and thanks for not going overboard with your criticism.  I am not ready to name a street after him yet but I just think he is doing better than some give him credit for.  Thanks for the perspective. B)

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Bottom line we have  4 top 6 forwards we need 2 more ....1. Petey  2. Boeser  3. Horvat  4. Miller   ----

Hoglander 20, plays great and will be a solid top forward very soon....Podkolzin 6'2, 210 - will fit in top 6 next year....

.Vesey, Gaudette, Motte , Virtanen, MacEwen --  Next season,  Lind , Gadjovich

 

Most of Salary is paid by  April 12th

Pearson  - Moved April 12th -- 3rd rounder -- Maybe  Edmonton

Sutter --Depth guy for playoff team --

Benn - 4th rounder

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10 hours ago, wildcam said:

Bottom line we have  4 top 6 forwards we need 2 more ....1. Petey  2. Boeser  3. Horvat  4. Miller   ----

Hoglander 20, plays great and will be a solid top forward very soon....Podkolzin 6'2, 210 - will fit in top 6 next year....

.Vesey, Gaudette, Motte , Virtanen, MacEwen --  Next season,  Lind , Gadjovich

 

Most of Salary is paid by  April 12th

Pearson  - Moved April 12th -- 3rd rounder -- Maybe  Edmonton

Sutter --Depth guy for playoff team --

Benn - 4th rounder

Good points but I don't think Podz will be a top 6 forward next year.  We were lucky with Hogz fitting in so well right away.  I can't see us catching lightning in a bottle twice in one season.  Have said it before, I see Podz development going similar to Bo's.  He will start in the Bottom 6. B)

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23 hours ago, dpn1 said:

As you say,, we will have to agree to disagree on this but your thoughts were good and thanks for not going overboard with your criticism.  I am not ready to name a street after him yet but I just think he is doing better than some give him credit for.  Thanks for the perspective. B)

Jake is not measured by the same stats that many of his team mates are. The number of posts on this thread testify to that. Often the refrain is questioning his hockey IQ? If that is the case go up and down the roster as I see many examples of questionable plays. If Jake stays with Vancouver I think he has to carve a d-side roll for himself. His offence might evolve from that. I am also starting to wonder whether a different coach could do more with him.

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Was a dumb penalty to take at the time, but part of me loled when he jabbed Toffoli in the chops.

 

I think he is starting to understand how to play a consistent 200 ft game. I haven't hated his level of play as of late, maybe he is learning i dont know.

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6 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

Was a dumb penalty to take at the time, but part of me loled when he jabbed Toffoli in the chops.

 

I think he is starting to understand how to play a consistent 200 ft game. I haven't hated his level of play as of late, maybe he is learning i dont know.

Oh don't say they, the blind haters like zucchini and bree will come at you. 

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6 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

Was a dumb penalty to take at the time, but part of me loled when he jabbed Toffoli in the chops.

 

I think he is starting to understand how to play a consistent 200 ft game. I haven't hated his level of play as of late, maybe he is learning i dont know.

if you're going to do that, at least make it hurt. Was pretty stupid tho. 

 

I was more pissed at the Myers missed call. 

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On 3/16/2021 at 4:31 PM, guntrix said:

Discussions about Jake instantly become less attractive the moment you realize this is more about posters not wanting to admit that they’ve been wrong about Virtanen over the past 7 years. 

I don't think being right or wrong is much of a factor; it's more of an unwavering belief that Jake will live up to the expectations of a 6th overall pick.  Many fans have jumped off that wagon to get away from the constant disappointment.  Recently, we have seen those people turn on him so severely that they don't even think Jake is an NHL player.

 

Let's face it, if Jake were picked 28th overall, this thread would have way fewer posts and most people would be happy with what he brings to the team.  The lack of notoriety and negative attention would probably be beneficial to his game as well.

 

 

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53 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

I don't think being right or wrong is much of a factor; it's more of an unwavering belief that Jake will live up to the expectations of a 6th overall pick.  Many fans have jumped off that wagon to get away from the constant disappointment.  Recently, we have seen those people turn on him so severely that they don't even think Jake is an NHL player.

 

Let's face it, if Jake were picked 28th overall, this thread would have way fewer posts and most people would be happy with what he brings to the team.  The lack of notoriety and negative attention would probably be beneficial to his game as well.

 

 

It's not that I don't agree but the 6 OA draft position will always be tied to Jake. To ignore it is too convenient imo.

 

The very same people who argue against measuring Jake against his draft position laugh at the Isles for drafting Dal Colle and at the Oilers for drafting Yakupov. You can't have it both ways.  

 

I agree that had Jake been picked 28 OA fans' attitude towards him would be different, simply because the expectations would be different. Unfortunately for Jake that wasn't the case.

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1 minute ago, guntrix said:

It's not that I don't agree but the 6 OA draft position will always be tied to Jake. To ignore it is too convenient imo.

 

The very same people who argue against measuring Jake against his draft position laugh at the Isles for drafting Dal Colle and at the Oilers for drafting Yakupov. You can't have it both ways.  

 

I agree that had Jake been picked 28 OA fans' attitude towards him would be different, simply because the expectations would be different. Unfortunately for Jake that wasn't the case.

So holding a player who was chosen at 6 th OA personally responsible for that choice, to me seems utterly laughable. Personnel attacks on his skill level and more so  private life outside of hockey is brought up in conversations with out disregard continually over the course of this thread. For what purpose? The same negative points brought up over and over again now leak into other players threads used mostly with  negative implications. Jake is what Jake is, a talented enough young man with abilities that got him a career playing hockey and that should be enough. Because others chose him at 6 th is not on him. As a side note for what he gets paid is right on par for what he contributes. To me, this thread seems to be very unhealthy as a fanbase. Seems to mimic the media perfectly. Scary. I do fully agree to the saying Opinions are like @$$****, sooo  this is just my opinion. GCG

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13 hours ago, Dannydog said:

So holding a player who was chosen at 6 th OA personally responsible for that choice, to me seems utterly laughable. Personnel attacks on his skill level and more so  private life outside of hockey is brought up in conversations with out disregard continually over the course of this thread. For what purpose? The same negative points brought up over and over again now leak into other players threads used mostly with  negative implications. Jake is what Jake is, a talented enough young man with abilities that got him a career playing hockey and that should be enough. Because others chose him at 6 th is not on him. As a side note for what he gets paid is right on par for what he contributes. To me, this thread seems to be very unhealthy as a fanbase. Seems to mimic the media perfectly. Scary. I do fully agree to the saying Opinions are like @$$****, sooo  this is just my opinion. GCG

I have a tendency to agree with this. It wasn't Virtanen's fault that the Canucks chose him at 6th overall. He was, and the reality is that he hasn't lived up to his draft position. I agree that if he had been picked later in the first round, nobody would be complaining about how he's playing. It is what it is at this point and stage of his career. He's a useful player in the middle six and bottom six. Not that great as a top six forward. He can fill in at the top six for a limited time while the top players are down with injury, but to expect him to maintain and sustain top six production, at this stage, is unreasonable. Virtanen is what he is - a useful, NHL player that can play up and down the line up. He won't produce 60 points a season. I'm happy if he can play defensively responsible, and produce 30-40 points. Good enough for me, all things considered. 

 

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17 hours ago, guntrix said:

It's not that I don't agree but the 6 OA draft position will always be tied to Jake. To ignore it is too convenient imo.

 

The very same people who argue against measuring Jake against his draft position laugh at the Isles for drafting Dal Colle and at the Oilers for drafting Yakupov. You can't have it both ways.  

 

I agree that had Jake been picked 28 OA fans' attitude towards him would be different, simply because the expectations would be different. Unfortunately for Jake that wasn't the case.

I have never done that. It is what it is.

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