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On 5/5/2021 at 4:49 PM, NUCKER67 said:

A few years down the road, a bloated and broke Jake "shotgun" Virtanen will be telling stories at the local pub of how he once leveled Connor McDavid in a game. It's really all he's done that's impressive.  

If convicted, he kisses any chance of entering into the USA goodbye.  It asks on your visa and/or entry documents if you have ever been arrested or convicted for a crime.  And during the intervew, you will be informed about whether they will or will not allow you entry, especially with these moral turpitude issues.  Tthe Canadian standard seems to be higher. 

 

As a Texan, I believe in equal protection under the law.  That is why I think the parents of these undocumented minors illegally crossing the border need to be charged with parental neglect and endangering the welfare of a minor.   Because if you or I let our kids walk aroiund the block, we would be charged with a felony--true story.  But if Jake wants to enter, he should find a spot and walk over.  

 

But back to Jake, I worked with someone who played for the Blackhawks.  He sold cars and was making great money.  But he lost his way through the bottle and the team let him go.  He was a great guy but he had lots of regrets for the mistakes he made playing through the bottle.

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7 hours ago, The Colt 45s said:

If convicted, he kisses any chance of entering into the USA goodbye.  It asks on your visa and/or entry documents if you have ever been arrested or convicted for a crime.  And during the intervew, you will be informed about whether they will or will not allow you entry, especially with these moral turpitude issues.  Tthe Canadian standard seems to be higher. 

 

As a Texan, I believe in equal protection under the law.  That is why I think the parents of these undocumented minors illegally crossing the border need to be charged with parental neglect and endangering the welfare of a minor.   Because if you or I let our kids walk aroiund the block, we would be charged with a felony--true story.  But if Jake wants to enter, he should find a spot and walk over.  

 

But back to Jake, I worked with someone who played for the Blackhawks.  He sold cars and was making great money.  But he lost his way through the bottle and the team let him go.  He was a great guy but he had lots of regrets for the mistakes he made playing through the bottle.

Unfortunately there are so many stories like this in pro sports. It happens all the time. They don't really help pro athletes out at all as they grow up... Problem is they get this entitled attitude when they are young because they are stars in the making and are treated as such. Along with that comes popularity and women. If you aren't mentally equipped to handle all that overload of money and sex and partying it just destroys a guy. It really does seem like Jake has gotten caught up in this kind of life style. And I really do question whether he has the mental capacity to see it through. I am not sitting here saying he's guilty, but if he is I really hope justice is served and also Jake learns his lesson. Just like your guy selling cars. There can still be a good story for him. But so many dive deeper into depression and fall off a cliff. Just a sad story overall and a sad ending to what have been a great career here in Vancouver for him. 

 

As for the women in this story, I really hope she can see herself through what I would imagine is just a nightmare of a time. Coming out publicly like this in a hockey crazed market puts a lot of focus on a person. It takes a lot of guts to come out and say those things knowing the whirl wind that will ensue. And honestly i'm sure that's why she didn't come out right away and say it. That's some hard $&!# to throw out there with a well know player like Jake. I'd be freaked to say anything too! I wish her all the best and hope she can heal and move on as well and have a good life. She's held this in for too long and i'm glad to see she is getting it off her chest. It's the first part in healing.

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On 5/4/2021 at 11:48 AM, NUCKER67 said:

Remember those trade rumours a few months ago where BOS wanted Jake Virtanen? I wonder what ever happened to that. Why this didn't happen.

 

Well, if the Canucks buy him out then BOS can sign him without giving VAN anything. Poor GMing.

On 5/5/2021 at 5:39 AM, FaninMex said:

Because it is a rumour. Lots of people think that means it is the bible.

Basically, yes. Even if there was fire to that smoke, most of the rumours would be just an inquiry where one side offered nowhere near enough and the other side told them no. I'm sure that happens pretty often but they realize it isn't worth pursuing.

 

Of course, in hindsight, we could have tried to get pretty much anything knowing what we know now. But then maybe the story wouldn't have come out and then the same people would have complained about how little we got back for him.

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Looks like Jakes contract has been terminated...jus saw him selling used cars at Basant Motors.

 

When you get there tell em “Jake sent me” and u will get 1 year free car wash with purchase.

 

Heres a video of Jake on his 1st day...

 

car sales dealership GIF by Quickpage

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On 5/8/2021 at 12:40 PM, elvis15 said:

Basically, yes. Even if there was fire to that smoke, most of the rumours would be just an inquiry where one side offered nowhere near enough and the other side told them no. I'm sure that happens pretty often but they realize it isn't worth pursuing.

 

Of course, in hindsight, we could have tried to get pretty much anything knowing what we know now. But then maybe the story wouldn't have come out and then the same people would have complained about how little we got back for him.

With the stigma of this situation the PR department has already traded JV - hope I am wrong and we don't do another AG trade from the PR department.  Based on the stats, AG seems to be doing very well with the Hawks (it seems he was being miscasted and misused by the staff ?).

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1 hour ago, shayster007 said:

Had to borrow my wife's stitch ripper, but was able to salvage my favorite hat. I spent years defending his play on the ice, but no chance after his off ice behavior.

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Dude, you should've just blacked out that one section on the '8' making it a '9' and said you like Nazzy:). 

 

Or keep the '18' and say you like Darcy Rota! 

 

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6 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

Dude, you should've just blacked out that one section on the '8' making it a '9' and said you like Nazzy:). 

 

Or keep the '18' and say you like Darcy Rota! 

 

I didn't think about make it a 9. That would have been a pretty good play. Nazzy was my boy when I was a teen.

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18 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

Civil suit was filed in court today against Jake.

 

Still nothing proven so it's simply he/she said but it's officially moving forward.

 

https://www.nsnews.com/bc-news/canucks-jake-virtanen-named-in-civil-suit-alleging-sexual-misconduct-3777501

The embarrassment factor of this means that Virtanen has played his last game as a Canuck. The big question now is, will he be able to get another team to take a chance on him.

 

My guess is, if there is enough for this person to feel that she can win a civil suit in court against him, that the Canucks will find enough evidence to justify terminating his contract for violation of the conduct clause.

 

Will be absolutely shocked if he's back next season.

 

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21 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

The embarrassment factor of this means that Virtanen has played his last game as a Canuck. The big question now is, will he be able to get another team to take a chance on him.

 

My guess is, if there is enough for this person to feel that she can win a civil suit in court against him, that the Canucks will find enough evidence to justify terminating his contract for violation of the conduct clause.

 

Will be absolutely shocked if he's back next season.

 

burden of proof is a lot less in the civil action.  Might require actual criminal charges to terminate contract.  Or a conviction.

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9 minutes ago, Alflives said:

burden of proof is a lot less in the civil action.  Might require actual criminal charges to terminate contract.  Or a conviction.

Regardless of his innocence or guilt, I think we have seen his last game.  Just too much drama following him around. Horrible way to end his career in Vancouver.

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5 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

Regardless of his innocence or guilt, I think we have seen his last game.  Just too much drama following him around. Horrible way to end his career in Vancouver.

no value now in trade, so a buyout?  

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8 minutes ago, Alflives said:

burden of proof is a lot less in the civil action.  Might require actual criminal charges to terminate contract.  Or a conviction.

I believe the code of conduct clause gives some pretty broad discretion. This might not be enough to terminate under that clause, but considering how his contract is structured, @Alflives, most of his money was in the second year of the deal. Canucks would save 2 million in total through a buyout, and they would only have $50,000 cap hit from the buyout for this coming season, and 500,000 for the following season.

 

I think all things considered, Canucks will choose to move on from Virtanen. I think it would cost them more than 3 million to qualify him next summer if they kept him around and I think that number would make him more untradeable that he was already.

 

Really think he's done here at least. If the charges are more substantiated, then he may be done in the NHL as well.

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19 minutes ago, Alflives said:

no value now in trade, so a buyout?  

If he is successfully sued, it is basically an admission that he is guilty. Money will change hands, but Vancouver could probably terminate his contract for cause, so no buyout. 

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2 minutes ago, Curmudgeon said:

If he is successfully sued, it is basically an admission that he is guilty. Money will change hands, but Vancouver could probably terminate his contract for cause, so no buyout. 

civil case though requires a lot less proof.  Isn't 51% or something like that?  Not too sure, but thinking Canucks can't terminate on a civil matter.  would need to be a criminal case.  If the police find enough evidence for the crown to file criminal charges, then that would likely be grounds.  If the crown doesn't file charges, then Jake might need to be bought out.  

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52 minutes ago, Alflives said:

civil case though requires a lot less proof.  Isn't 51% or something like that?  Not too sure, but thinking Canucks can't terminate on a civil matter.  would need to be a criminal case.  If the police find enough evidence for the crown to file criminal charges, then that would likely be grounds.  If the crown doesn't file charges, then Jake might need to be bought out.  

I believe the burden of proof in a civil case has something to do with "balance of probabilities" which is less than in criminal cases where it is "innocent until proven guilty". Balance of probabilities means "based on all evidence, the alleged action probably took place." If Jake settles out of court, we'll never know if it actually happened, but no matter what there will always be those who are ready to cancel Jake and demand the Canucks get rid of him. Regardless of how Vancouver does it, they will almost certainly find a way to move Jake. If he were a 30 goal scorer and top line player, someone would find room for him. As it is, I doubt an NHL team would take on the headache.

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On 5/10/2021 at 1:43 PM, shayster007 said:

Had to borrow my wife's stitch ripper, but was able to salvage my favorite hat. I spent years defending his play on the ice, but no chance after his off ice behavior.

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Glad you could salvage your hat...

 

Like you, I was a supporter of Virtanen until this season when I became entirely indifferent to him as a hockey player.  If this is the way his career ends that's 100% on him. Like I've said in this thread before the allegations became public, Virtanen's cap savings, whether as a ED loss (which isn't going to happen now) or buy-out or now a termination, is waaaaaaay more valuable than Virtanen himself to the Canucks.

 

I feel really bad for his parents.  They seem like such nice folks and no parent deserves to be embarrassed like the way they have been (guilty or not).

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