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9 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

 

 

what's really odd to me about Jake was his unwillingness to drive the net. He did it in junior, so why not in the NHL? If I could answer that I'd be a scout. 

Can't blame Ron Delorme even though this is the geographical area under his jurisdiction.  He was obviously in Sweden as he was the scout responsible for finding EP.:P

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19 hours ago, Fred65 said:

Surely, surely the master scouting guru would have picked this up in the scouting combine. This kids second choice of careers is not as a physicist   All those meetings, the in depth reviews with past coaches and teachers etc etc apparently failed to recognize his IQ. JB was all over this kid as Vcr next gift to hockey

 

(90) Canucks draft meeting: Jake Virtanen - All Access - YouTube

Pretty sure I heard this was an Aqualini pick lol

Who knows whats true and whats not these days...

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1 minute ago, Rick Blight said:

Is a "rocket surgeon" smarter than a "rocket scientist"? :mellow:

its something we used to say in SK. Its somewhere between brain surgeon and rocket scientist. 

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1 minute ago, Rick Blight said:

Yeah okay, we don't have any of those.

I wonder who would be the smartest Canucks player ever? Larionov? there's a big tie at the bottom for dumb dumb. 

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1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I wonder who would be the smartest Canucks player ever? Larionov? there's a big tie at the bottom for dumb dumb. 

Larionov might be a pretty good choice. We've had Harvard graduates like Biega and Princeton graduates like Tanner Glass so you might have to throw players like that into the mix too. Only talking off-ice here.............

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10 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I wonder who would be the smartest Canucks player ever? Larionov? there's a big tie at the bottom for dumb dumb. 

Dr. Randy Gregg

Several lawyers like Pat Quinn.

College players like Brock

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29 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

 

 

what's really odd to me about Jake was his unwillingness to drive the net. He did it in junior, so why not in the NHL? If I could answer that I'd be a scout. 

Jimmy, I live in Calgary and probably saw Jake play about 20 games or so with the Hitmen and I am not sure I would agree with this sentiment. Jake would quite often come down the boards going through people because of his physical dominance but many times he would stay along the boards and circle the net just as he has done with the Canucks. He certainly took the puck to the net more often than he has done in the NHL but even back then there seemed to be a reluctance more often than not. I don't recall a lot of his goals for the Hitmen being from in tight around the net.

As a disclaimer though, I am old and my memory may not be so good. LOL

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2 minutes ago, Rick Blight said:

Jimmy, I live in Calgary and probably saw Jake play about 20 games or so with the Hitmen and I am not sure I would agree with this sentiment. Jake would quite often come down the boards going through people because of his physical dominance but many times he would stay along the boards and circle the net just as he has done with the Canucks. He certainly took the puck to the net more often than he has done in the NHL but even back then there seemed to be a reluctance more often than not. I don't recall a lot of his goals for the Hitmen being from in tight around the net.

As a disclaimer though, I am old and my memory may not be so good. LOL

ah OK thanks for that. I never saw him in person in juniors. Curious that we can look back now tho and see the issue. 

 

I've said it before, I don't envy NHL scouts. It must be so easy to see what you want to in a player. 

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3 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

ah OK thanks for that. I never saw him in person in juniors. Curious that we can look back now tho and see the issue. 

 

I've said it before, I don't envy NHL scouts. It must be so easy to see what you want to in a player. 

To me, the biggest challenge is projecting what these young kids will be a few years down the road. Some, like Jake, are maybe a little closer to "peaking" by their draft years while others are showing larger incremental improvement year on year. Jake's physical attributes (skating, strength, shot) were just too much to overlook.

 

I know the WHL has their draft of 15 year old kids every Spring for their "Bantam" draft and I see a lot of similarities with the NHL. The scouting of theses kids is nothing like the NHL draft eligible kids but they still receive a lot of scrutiny as the WHL utilize this draft to stock their cupboards. I only bring this up as the WHL teams miss on their draft picks far more often than NHL teams as greater than 50% of WHL players were never drafted in the "Bantam" draft. The same issue is there in trying to project what 15 year old kids will be like as 17 or 18 year old young men.

 

I think we should really appreciate the drafting the Canucks have done over the past number of years as it really can be a crapshoot. 

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10 minutes ago, Rick Blight said:

To me, the biggest challenge is projecting what these young kids will be a few years down the road. Some, like Jake, are maybe a little closer to "peaking" by their draft years while others are showing larger incremental improvement year on year. Jake's physical attributes (skating, strength, shot) were just too much to overlook.

 

I know the WHL has their draft of 15 year old kids every Spring for their "Bantam" draft and I see a lot of similarities with the NHL. The scouting of theses kids is nothing like the NHL draft eligible kids but they still receive a lot of scrutiny as the WHL utilize this draft to stock their cupboards. I only bring this up as the WHL teams miss on their draft picks far more often than NHL teams as greater than 50% of WHL players were never drafted in the "Bantam" draft. The same issue is there in trying to project what 15 year old kids will be like as 17 or 18 year old young men.

 

I think we should really appreciate the drafting the Canucks have done over the past number of years as it really can be a crapshoot. 

Witness the career of former 1st round pick Jim Sandlak.  Was like a monster playing against boys in the world junior tournament.  You'd swear Eric Lindros was out there lol.  Then he played against fully grown men in the NHL.:lol:

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18 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Witness the career of former 1st round pick Jim Sandlak.  Was like a monster playing against boys in the world junior tournament.  You'd swear Eric Lindros was out there lol.  Then he played against fully grown men in the NHL.:lol:

Sandlak had a wicked shot coming down the wing. He used his size at times. Don't you think it was another example of a team bringing a young player on to quickly?

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1 hour ago, Boudrias said:

Sandlak had a wicked shot coming down the wing. He used his size at times. Don't you think it was another example of a team bringing a young player on to quickly?

If my memory serves me right Sandlak scored the winning goal at WJC, and that was it we'll have him. He never became a "star" player. His best years was when he played with Ronning and had Momesso on the other wing, twin towers

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Jakes combination of size, speed, physicality and a great shot was what was so tantilizing at the draft. 

 

If he ever learns to protect the puck and cut in from the outside, its game over.

But if that never happens, he'll still be a serviceable bottom 6 player but not enough hockey sense to make him a defensive specialist. 

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43 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

Jakes combination of size, speed, physicality and a great shot was what was so tantilizing at the draft. 

 

If he ever learns to protect the puck and cut in from the outside, its game over.

But if that never happens, he'll still be a serviceable bottom 6 player but not enough hockey sense to make him a defensive specialist. 

In a second tier swiss league

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4 hours ago, CanucksJay said:

Pretty sure I heard this was an Aqualini pick lol

Who knows whats true and whats not these days...

For the most part I think you are right. Pretty hard to recover sources 7 years after the fact but the owners liked the size and speed combination but GMJB still had the final say.

Albeit Benning was on the job for only a few weeks at the draft so he likely had to rely on the scout's recommendations.

 and the combine interviews/

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Been reading in various articles about how Jake's going to be a buy-out candidate this off-season even before the case completes. While I think the Canucks can justify the buy-out purely from a hockey perspective as he regressed this season, will they be brave enough to say that part of the reason they're doing it is because of the ongoing accusations? I'm also wondering what everyone's thoughts on how agents and maybe even players may view that move. Maybe it's a good thing as agents will more than ever let their players know that they will be held accountable? 

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2 hours ago, CanucksJay said:

Jakes combination of size, speed, physicality and a great shot was what was so tantilizing at the draft. 

 

If he ever learns to protect the puck and cut in from the outside, its game over.

But if that never happens, he'll still be a serviceable bottom 6 player but not enough hockey sense to make him a defensive specialist. 

Coming up to 7 years in the league and you think he'll figure it out now? And I think he's got bigger problems to solve at the moment.

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