Gaudette Celly Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 All powerplay points. Easy to pick up in this tournament. We'll see what he does when the games get tight. Forsling has 1 less point than him by the way. Guess we should have drafted him 6th overall. Nylander's just riding Forsling's coattails, picking up bunny assists from Gustav's cannon. Guys, Brewmaster12 is BureToMogilny "Welcome to the party, pal!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue90 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 If it makes you guys feel any better he's already better than Kassian ever will be as a Canuck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Until your boy can be an effective NHL playoff player why don't you just shut up about how pretty he looks. It's the World Juniors?? Schroeder, Rodin, Paajarvi, B.Schenn, Hodgson, Reway, Forsling....do these names mean anything to you? Or how about Dal Colle, Fleury..? JB wants to build a big strong, fast in your face type playoff type team and all you can seem to see is Nylander his skill, his points (mostly pp) and his pretty hair. The way it's looking maybe Carolina should have drafted Forsling instead of Fleury? TL and JB don't want there hopes of winning a cup pinned on a player like Nylander. His dad was a point producing puss and it's most likely the beauty queen is going to be the same. Virtanen was the better pick, it's our guy and I'm certain watching him that he will effect a playoff series more than your figure skater. You know, if Forsling would grow his hair out, he could probably have a primpable coif just like Nylander. Perhaps that would placate DownUnda a bit -- maybe even replace his ceiling poster should Gustav continue to progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) This. The SEL is full of slow, soft-skating pansies who need wide open space to keep from falling down on their own, sorry. That's why 18yr old kids can put up some decent points there. It's actually the right league for him at the moment, so he's less likely to get hurt, but that being said, Nylander's been slowing down in that league after a decent start. That's pretty funny to hear considering the best players our franchise have ever had were drafted from the Swedish Elite League. The only one embarrassing themselves is you and every other idiot still parroting about our GM not knowing what he's doing. You go on about Nylander and his scoring prowess like it's the only thing that matters in building a team. Jake has attributes in his game that Nylander can only dream about and likewise for Virtanen. Until your boy can be an effective NHL playoff player why don't you just shut up about how pretty he looks. It's the World Juniors?? Schroeder, Rodin, Paajarvi, B.Schenn, Hodgson, Reway, Forsling....do these names mean anything to you? Or how about Dal Colle, Fleury..?JB wants to build a big strong, fast in your face type playoff type team and all you can seem to see is Nylander his skill, his points (mostly pp) and his pretty hair. The way it's looking maybe Carolina should have drafted Forsling instead of Fleury? TL and JB don't want there hopes of winning a cup pinned on a player like Nylander. His dad was a point producing puss and it's most likely the beauty queen is going to be the same. Virtanen was the better pick, it's our guy and I'm certain watching him that he will effect a playoff series more than your figure skater. And what are the Sedins? They aren't some big physical guys, they play with skill and that's the reason why they are the best players we've ever had on our team. I like physical, hard-hitting hockey that is important in the playoffs but you need a mix of players. If you guys think we're going to win with some big, Canadian gritty players well then you're 100% wrong. You need skill and speed in the playoffs aswell (Hossa, Krejci, Gaborik, Malkin). Alot of European players can show off their skill in the playoffs, remember Malkin's big playoff run? He was playing fantastic. So much disrespect to Swedish hockey players. Nylander is just a "soft swede" but let's ignore the fact that our best players of all-time are Swedish? Edited January 3, 2015 by Plum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
people please Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 If it makes you guys feel any better he's already better than Kassian ever will be as a Canuck He's probably goi g to buried on the 3rd/4th line like Kassian, Canucks don't know how to develop prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Benning has to be showing at least some concern that when stepping up a grade Virtanen hasn't shown much. The WJC when compared to WHL is faster. I assume Benning is attending the WJC and is wondering where the great shooters shots have disapeared to. I like his physicallity but that doesn't replace scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asian player Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Benning has to be showing at least some concern that when stepping up a grade Virtanen hasn't shown much. The WJC when compared to WHL is faster. I assume Benning is attending the WJC and is wondering where the great shooters shots have disapeared to. I like his physicallity but that doesn't replace scoring. There is no concern. He's playing in a 19 year old's tournament and has been doing well. He'll be back next year and will play a bigger role. He'll be back next year a better player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutesi Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Benning has to be showing at least some concern that when stepping up a grade Virtanen hasn't shown much. The WJC when compared to WHL is faster. I assume Benning is attending the WJC and is wondering where the great shooters shots have disapeared to. I like his physicallity but that doesn't replace scoring. He recently turned 18 and is a top 6 forward on the Junior team. Isn't that stepping up? The kid's showing and elite set of tools, it's one tournament and he's looking good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Shouldn't Garth Snow should be more "concerned", considering Dal Colle was cut? After all, he was considered one of the "top five" in the draft and Virtanen was projected as second-tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) There is no concern. He's playing in a 19 year old's tournament and has been doing well. He'll be back next year and will play a bigger role. He'll be back next year a better player Definitely. And I hope he gets traded outta Calgary. Seriously, he plays with two overagers. One is undrafted in Connor Rankin, and the other was a 3rd round pick(Adam Tambellini, who is actually decent). I hope he gets traded to the Kootenay Ice so he can play alongside his buddy Reinhart. Both could be a deadly combo. Or Kelowna Rockets and be reunited with Josh Morrisey, and Bowey. He does have a lot to work on, like any player, but I'm sure he will be fine. I don't know if he will make the team next year but he has a decent chance. I hope his development goes well and he adds weight a bit more weight to become even more stronger than he currently is. Edited January 3, 2015 by TheOddCanuckling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Definitely. And I hope he gets traded outta Calgary. Seriously, he plays with two overagers. One is undrafted in Connor Rankin, and the other was a 3rd round pick(Adam Tambellini, who is actually decent). I hope he gets traded to the Kootenay Ice so he can play alongside his buddy Reinhart. Both could be a deadly combo. Or Kelowna Rockets and be reunited with Josh Morrisey, and Bowey. He does have a lot to work on, like any player, but I'm sure he will be fine. I don't know if he will make the team next year but he has a decent chance. I hope his development goes well and he adds weight a bit more weight to become even more stronger than he currently is. ya im really hoping rockets trade for him would be nice seeing reinhart or marner setting him up their pp wpuld be unstoppable. plus next yr i hope we give jake nine game stint then send himm back to juniors. let him make bigs in two yrs at 20 yrsold lets him get bigger stronger especially with all the world junior experience this yr and next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 ya im really hoping rockets trade for him would be nice seeing reinhart or marner setting him up their pp wpuld be unstoppable. plus next yr i hope we give jake nine game stint then send himm back to juniors. let him make bigs in two yrs at 20 yrsold lets him get bigger stronger especially with all the world junior experience this yr and next I don't know any player that is named Marner in the Kootenay Ice team. However if you are talking about Mitchell Marner, he plays for the London Knights. I don't know how Marner is supposed to set up Virtanen on the PP when they both play in separate leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sting Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 That's pretty funny to hear considering the best players our franchise have ever had were drafted from the Swedish Elite League. And what are the Sedins? They aren't some big physical guys, they play with skill and that's the reason why they are the best players we've ever had on our team. I like physical, hard-hitting hockey that is important in the playoffs but you need a mix of players. If you guys think we're going to win with some big, Canadian gritty players well then you're 100% wrong. You need skill and speed in the playoffs aswell (Hossa, Krejci, Gaborik, Malkin). Alot of European players can show off their skill in the playoffs, remember Malkin's big playoff run? He was playing fantastic. So much disrespect to Swedish hockey players. Nylander is just a "soft swede" but let's ignore the fact that our best players of all-time are Swedish? Where do I disrespect Swedish players? I couldn't care less where someone's from what I care about is what there all about. The Canucks have had two Swedish captains and close to 20 years of our top offensive players being Swedes and it hasn't worked. It's not a Swedish thing it's a change in philosophy on who will be driving the bus and be the poster child on Benning and Linden's Canucks of the future. Most people get it.....but some have to keep pulling out this stupid......"I would have preferred we drafted ?????" Don't confuse my support for Virtanen and Benning for anything else other than I am happy they are going this direction and I really like the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Where do I disrespect Swedish players? I couldn't care less where someone's from what I care about is what there all about. The Canucks have had two Swedish captains and close to 20 years of our top offensive players being Swedes and it hasn't worked. It's not a Swedish thing it's a change in philosophy on who will be driving the bus and be the poster child on Benning and Linden's Canucks of the future. Most people get it.....but some have to keep pulling out this stupid......"I would have preferred we drafted ?????" Don't confuse my support for Virtanen and Benning for anything else other than I am happy they are going this direction and I really like the pick. My thoughts exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Benning has to be showing at least some concern that when stepping up a grade Virtanen hasn't shown much. The WJC when compared to WHL is faster. I assume Benning is attending the WJC and is wondering where the great shooters shots have disapeared to. I like his physicallity but that doesn't replace scoring. There is no concern. He's playing in a 19 year old's tournament and has been doing well. He'll be back next year and will play a bigger role. He'll be back next year a better player That's right. Virtanen is one of the youngest players on the team and he has played well. At this stage it looks like he will probably be a first liner on the next year's world juniors. Ehlers and Nylander have both been standouts at the tournament and the Canucks passed them up to go with Virtanen. I still think that was the right call. Ehlers has been the best player on a much weaker team. If Virtanen had been on Denmark's team he would have been a standout also. I think Nylander's stock has risen as a result of his play at the World Juniors, but it is always a question mark about how creative high-skill offensive talents translate into the NHL. Virtanen's strengths -- skating, shooting, size, strength, high intensity -- are valuable at any level, including the NHL. Shouldn't Garth Snow should be more "concerned", considering Dal Colle was cut? After all, he was considered one of the "top five" in the draft and Virtanen was projected as second-tier. I am not sure there a 5-man top tier followed by a second tier. I think that by the time the draft emerged there was a top four: Ekblad, Reinhart, Bennet and Draisaitl. Dal Colle was definitely "5th man" but Nylander, Virtanen, Ehlers, and Ritchie were all pretty close. And everyone knows there is a lot of uncertaintly and that a year down the road the rankings would be different. Given Bennet's injury it is hard to know where he ranks. but Dal Colle has fallen and Nylander has risen. I think Virtanen's relative ranking is stable. However, on the plus side, two prospects whose rankings have been rising rapidly are Forsling and Cassels, and maybe Demko as well. I am guessing McCann is also looking good. Bottom line: Last year's draft already looks better than any draft Gillis had with the Canucks, although the Gillis draft with Horvat, Shinkaruk, and Cassels looks pretty good. . Edited January 4, 2015 by JamesB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Where do I disrespect Swedish players? I couldn't care less where someone's from what I care about is what there all about. The Canucks have had two Swedish captains and close to 20 years of our top offensive players being Swedes and it hasn't worked. It's not a Swedish thing it's a change in philosophy on who will be driving the bus and be the poster child on Benning and Linden's Canucks of the future. Most people get it.....but some have to keep pulling out this stupid......"I would have preferred we drafted ?????" Don't confuse my support for Virtanen and Benning for anything else other than I am happy they are going this direction and I really like the pick. We came one game away from winning the cup, that's as close as you will get and we didn't one it but guess who were the leaders of this team when we came that close? The Swedes. I doubt we'll get that close now since the Sedins are declining but it came very, very close to working, whatever that philosophy was. Zetterberg, Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Rafalski were the leaders for Detroit when they won the cup. What are you trying to say? European hockey won't win you a cup? Because Europeans won the cup for Detroit. I don't have a problem with the pick but what's wrong with Nylander? Because he's Swedish? Edited January 4, 2015 by Plum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Where do I disrespect Swedish players? I couldn't care less where someone's from what I care about is what there all about. The Canucks have had two Swedish captains and close to 20 years of our top offensive players being Swedes and it hasn't worked. It's not a Swedish thing it's a change in philosophy on who will be driving the bus and be the poster child on Benning and Linden's Canucks of the future. Most people get it.....but some have to keep pulling out this stupid......"I would have preferred we drafted ?????" Don't confuse my support for Virtanen and Benning for anything else other than I am happy they are going this direction and I really like the pick. 1. Just because someone disagrees with you it doesn't make them stupid. 2. I don't think it has anything to do with what country a player is from. It's about the overall team and how the team plays. I bet you Boston 2 or 3 years ago with the Sedins would have been that much scarier. Imagine having to battle a bruiser of a team AND have to deal with a line of star players? (something that Boston could have had in Seguin but they traded him) What I really think we need was a better overall makeup. With the westcoast express, we get getting plugs to fill in roles which shouldn't be the case. This is one area Gillis actually addressed and how he improved our team overall. With the Sedins, we came closer to the cup than most teams can say in the past few years. We were closer to the Boston makeup at that point having players like Torres to support us. If Hamhuis wasn't injured, I bet you we would have won the cup in 6 games the way things were going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) That's pretty funny to hear considering the best players our franchise have ever had were drafted from the Swedish Elite League. Yes. Quite. Edited January 4, 2015 by BanTSN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sting Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 We came one game away from winning the cup, that's as close as you will get and we didn't one it but guess who were the leaders of this team when we came that close? The Swedes. I doubt we'll get that close now since the Sedins are declining but it came very, very close to working, whatever that philosophy was. Zetterberg, Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Rafalski were the leaders for Detroit when they won the cup. What are you trying to say? European hockey won't win you a cup? Because Europeans won the cup for Detroit. I don't have a problem with the pick but what's wrong with Nylander? Because he's Swedish? I'm saying that your top players are your leaders and the identity of your team. Nylander is not the type of guy that management wants. (I agree) If they did they would've picked him. JB was quoted as saying after the Virtanen pick that they are changing the identity. Nylander will be fine. He's gonna score at the NHL level I'm certain. It's not that he's Swedish. I just don't think he will have the intestinal fortitude to be great player come playoffs nor be a good guy to lead the next group. I watched his dad play and so did our management.....played his career on the perimeter, wizard with the puck, great skater, excellent on the PP...sound familiar? I think your confusing my statement about it not working with Naslund and the Sedins as some slight against them. It's not a personal thing ( I love those guys ) they were some of the best Canucks and NHLers and tremendous human beings in every way. We didn't win a Cup and it isn't on them......it's just time to go a different direction. I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sting Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 1. Just because someone disagrees with you it doesn't make them stupid. 2. I don't think it has anything to do with what country a player is from. It's about the overall team and how the team plays. I bet you Boston 2 or 3 years ago with the Sedins would have been that much scarier. Imagine having to battle a bruiser of a team AND have to deal with a line of star players? (something that Boston could have had in Seguin but they traded him) What I really think we need was a better overall makeup. With the westcoast express, we get getting plugs to fill in roles which shouldn't be the case. This is one area Gillis actually addressed and how he improved our team overall. With the Sedins, we came closer to the cup than most teams can say in the past few years. We were closer to the Boston makeup at that point having players like Torres to support us. If Hamhuis wasn't injured, I bet you we would have won the cup in 6 games the way things were going. I never called anyone stupid. I referred to saying "we should have taken X " as stupid because it proves nothing and furthermore makes it seem like some fan is smarter than Benning, Linden and a professional scouting staff. Teams draft players based on the attributes they find most valuable to suit their team. They don't always want centers that put up points. I think it's a nice thing to have a team that has a local identity....BC, Prairie boy or Canadian. At the end of the day I just want really good hockey players that want to bring Vancouver a Cup and could care less about where the're from. All things being equal I want my boys to bleed Red and White. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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