messier's_elbow Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 This. The SEL is full of slow, soft-skating pansies who need wide open space to keep from falling down on their own, sorry. That's why 18yr old kids can put up some decent points there. It's actually the right league for him at the moment, so he's less likely to get hurt, but that being said, Nylander's been slowing down in that league after a decent start. Buddy im almost at your level of homerism for Virtanen. Hes my favorite canuck already, im getting his jersey for sure when he makes the team. Having said that, Nylander is a stud prospect as well. He is a slick , fast playmaker who excels on the PP. Hes great for the east though, while Jake is perfect for the west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 No but they tell you a lot about the little things about a players game that are either good Or bad. Most of the time they can be fixed with coaching but still Virtanen's biggest problem is that hes on a poorly coached Hitmen team. If he was in a better development program it would speed up the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Virtanen's biggest problem is that hes on a poorly coached Hitmen team. If he was in a better development program it would speed up the process.i think his biggest problem is his inability to find open ice in yhe offensive zone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groovy Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 He's probably goi g to buried on the 3rd/4th line like Kassian, Canucks don't know how to develop prospects. You seem to have forgotten that there is new management and coaching staff. Yes, it is hard to develop players in 6 months. Possible Jake ends up a 3rd/4th liner at the NHL level but I hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Thanks for the post but I believe we need a Nylander more than we need a Virtanen. Henrik Sedin is on the downswing and this club has no one to replace him down the middle. No one in this organization is projected to score 80-100 points unless they're very lucky. Quite frankly, I'd love to have a Nylander-Horvat duo down the middle as opposed to Horvat in the middle with a bunch of good wingers. And you know what? I respect that you wanted Nylander. We all have different guys we wanted to get picked. I wanted either Nylander/Virtanen, and we got Virtanen. But for those that are telling you that "you are dumb" or "Nylander is a bust, his likely hood of making it is low" really need to smarten up a bit. If we drafted Nylander everyone would have been like "Nylander is speedy and skilled and he is going to be a good franchise center! Virtanen is a goon, takes bad penalties, and doesn't use his line-mates! BUST!" Both of the bold lines above are completely fake statements and anybody using them is just a silly person assuming things based on stats. Edited January 4, 2015 by TheOddCanuckling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Thanks for the post but I believe we need a Nylander more than we need a Virtanen. Henrik Sedin is on the downswing and this club has no one to replace him down the middle. No one in this organization is projected to score 80-100 points unless they're very lucky. Quite frankly, I'd love to have a Nylander-Horvat duo down the middle as opposed to Horvat in the middle with a bunch of good wingers. Nylander isn't a center. Poor on draws and has not much interest in doing anything without the puck. He might technically line up as one in modo, but he doesn't play like one, and there's a reason as team as decent as modo, on paper, is doing as poorly as they are in the standings. Meanwhile, the Canucks are strong up the middle with a collection of decent two-way center prospects. Not sure why they'd want to select a one-way center to add to that collection, even if Nylander was a center, which he is not. If we needed a one-dimensional power play specialist playmaking winger without much drive or finish, and almost nothing 5-on-5, then I guess we needed Nylander more than Virtanen; physical, do anything power forward with elite speed and shot, but imho if we had passed on Virtanen to select Nylander, given the history of what the Canucks have looked like in the playoffs overall and especially lately, then media out east would be outright laughing at us over that decision instead of trying to trump up Nylander as some sort of pretty-looking saviour. However, if people want to continue to believe that Nylander is something that he is not, then all the power to them. At least after watching Ehlers flop all over the ice and be pretty much a 100% non-factor in his last game, and managing to score only 1 goal all tournament, stat-watching people might have better 'insights' about him. Baby steps. Might be beating a dead horse here though, as people out east have an agenda. Edited January 4, 2015 by BanTSN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I expect Jake to be a way more valuable player than Nylander even if the scoring stats favour Nylander in a couple of years...say 50 points for Nylander and 35-40 for Virtanen. Jake will no doubt have 2-4 hits per game and 1-3 steals or takeaways, to go along with that Jake will be creating room for his linemates by playing large and fast. We will be laughing at the people wanting Nylander over Jake within 2 years. Just squint...and look sideways...if you can't see that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 i think his biggest problem is his inability to find open ice in yhe offensive zone. He was shadowed closer then any other player for either team last game, they knew McDavid was looking for him so they tailed him like glue even when Jake would try to disappear into the far corner someone was right on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) My best advice is that you just let it go... I'd suggest you mention that to the poster before him, since he was the one to bring it up. But then, people are always going to mention the two, as well as others potentially. Might as well just accept that. The Sedins are really classy, really nice guys...really nice, good players albeit on the decline of their careers...but it has been proven over many years...in really tough series against the big tough teams in the West and in the NHL...you are not going to win a Stanley Cup with these guys as your top players. Not in their prime and certainly not now. Lets extrapolate that to Nylander and just give Benning the benefit of the doubt in going a different direction in drafting a big, fast, tough, Canadian power forward and going a different direction. Considering we just played Detroit, Datsyuk and Zetterberg say, "hi." Lidstrom might just want to come back to the rink for a day to say, "me too." I expect Jake to be a way more valuable player than Nylander even if the scoring stats favour Nylander in a couple of years...say 50 points for Nylander and 35-40 for Virtanen. Jake will no doubt have 2-4 hits per game and 1-3 steals or takeaways, to go along with that Jake will be creating room for his linemates by playing large and fast. We will be laughing at the people wanting Nylander over Jake within 2 years. Just squint...and look sideways...if you can't see that.... Even if it plays out as you suggest above, saying people will be laughing at having wanted one over the other is the reason why Nylander/Ehlers fans keep bringing them up in this thread. Then, of course, if it doesn't play out as you suggest, then I guess everyone else could be laughing at you. Edited January 4, 2015 by elvis15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 He was shadowed closer then any other player for either team last game, they knew McDavid was looking for him so they tailed him like glue even when Jake would try to disappear into the far corner someone was right on him.ya i totally believe that other teams strategy is to man Virtanen an leave mcdavid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Sometimes, no, most of the time, softish one dimensional wingers who rely on the powerplay to put up assists DON'T end up being Datsyuk, Zetterberg or Lidstrom. They're effective two-way players with world-class all-around skill, and they didn't hesitate to show the will to play this type of game at the prospect level. Literally nobody is against getting a Datsyuk, Zetterberg or Lidstrom here. But Nylander or Ehlers aren't these type of prospects. They would just be a far worse rendition of what we've seen from the Sedins; elite power play guys who after years of just building strength to stop from falling over, still lacked two-way ability, needed physical assistance and were totally shut down when the whistles were put in pockets. What Benning and Linden did in the 2014 draft represents a sea change in Canucks philosophy, in that they finally selected the correct player, and as I've been ranting on for months now, it is absolutely the right direction to head in if we ever hope to win a cup here. We will need more though. A lot more. We still need a top-notch defender, for starters. Have we ever had a legit #1 defenseman? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 With Fabbri being out, will Virtanen be given top 6 mins?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 With Fabbri being out, will Virtanen be given top 6 mins?? I doubt it unless Point doesn't look good with McDavid and Lazar. The Petan-Virtanen-Paul line maintained puck possession for minutes at a time in Denmark's zone from the 2nd period onward, so I doubt they'll be broken up. Unless there's another freak injury, only the score will determine line changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Nylander struggling on the Swedish PP right now. I actually really like Nylander, and he was who I wanted the Canucks to pick. My point is that Virtanen is easily the Canucks' most touted prospect, and with that interest comes an intense scrutiny of every play he makes. If we looked at Nylander the same way we looked at Virtanen, we'd find flaws. All these kids have flaws, that's why they aren't playing in the NHL. Time will allow both these players to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Nylander struggling on the Swedish PP right now. I actually really like Nylander, and he was who I wanted the Canucks to pick. My point is that Virtanen is easily the Canucks' most touted prospect, and with that interest comes an intense scrutiny of every play he makes. If we looked at Nylander the same way we looked at Virtanen, we'd find flaws. All these kids have flaws, that's why they aren't playing in the NHL. Time will allow both these players to improve. Nylander seems to have two options on the power play, where he plays on the left point. 1. Pass to Forsling. or 2. Throw a weak shot at the net. Most would like to see some more movement and creativity there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Pot/kettle? Vaporizer! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Virtanen should be able to showcase his speed a bit better against Slovakia. Hopefully he has a strong game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I find it interesting that he did not name his WHL coach(s) as being "The best coach he ever had" - he named two others from when he was younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Vaporizer! .. cracked me up!!! .. I took you for a 'Bong Man' .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I find it interesting that he did not name his WHL coach(s) as being "The best coach he ever had" - he named two others from when he was younger. That could be pretty telling. Or it could mean nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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