theminister Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 ah. Well when you put it that way It makes sense. So why cant nfl teams just sign any college kid of age then? It's a mutual agreement between organizations, not law (the NFL-NCAA and the NHL-NCAA). Legally they can but it would be breaking a deal that has been put in place to protect college players from being predatorily signed. It's meant to ensure they complete their education. I'm not a big fan of it but if the agreement fell apart it would be contract war. Kids would be dropping out of school, become ineligible for the NCAA and never finish their education. Most of them would never see anything higher than a practice squad because the NFL doesn't have a minors program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 It's a mutual agreement between organizations, not law (the NFL-NCAA and the NHL-NCAA). Legally they can but it would be breaking a deal that has been put in place to protect college players from being predatorily signed. It's meant to ensure they complete their education. I'm not a big fan of it but if the agreement fell apart it would be contract war. Kids would be dropping out of school, become ineligible for the NCAA and never finish their education. Most of them would never see anything higher than a practice squad because the NFL doesn't have a minors program.are you a lawyer? How do you know this stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdatb Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 lul Horvat belongs in the AHL! Good God get a clue. He's done nothing but prove he's an NHLer since day one. And if you think he's good, wait till you get a load of Virtanen. Whoops, maybe that was worded badly. Obviously Horvat has shown he belongs in the NHL. However, the vast majority of people I know thought the ideal step would be for him to spend a year in the AHL. He's proven that he can handle the big league. I doubt Virtanen would have his level of success next year, especially since he will still be quite young still. lul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) are you a lawyer? How do you know this stuff? No, I'm not. Many years of being a sports nerd. It's just basic info I've picked up along the way. If you want to understand it better I suggest researching the Linesman case. It was a watershed decision in the Pro-Amateur sports dynamic. Edited March 19, 2015 by theminister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 ITS 80% OKAY Yeah Kassian was like him as an 18 year old too and he hasn't seemed to change very much but let's hope Jake is different, having one of those types of players is hard enough, two just wouldn't work. If they both learn how to control their anger we will have one nasty forward core. watching all the comments in response to the "80%"...maybe I'm wrong, but is that not very obviously a joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Whoops, maybe that was worded badly. Obviously Horvat has shown he belongs in the NHL. However, the vast majority of people I know thought the ideal step would be for him to spend a year in the AHL. He's proven that he can handle the big league. I doubt Virtanen would have his level of success next year, especially since he will still be quite young still. lul.Horvat is 19 and made it. Virtanen will be 19 when training camp rolls around. Virtanens getting his 10 games at the bare minimum. After that it's on the coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Whoops, maybe that was worded badly. Obviously Horvat has shown he belongs in the NHL. However, the vast majority of people I know thought the ideal step would be for him to spend a year in the AHL. He's proven that he can handle the big league. I doubt Virtanen would have his level of success next year, especially since he will still be quite young still. lul.Horvat is 19 and made it. Virtanen will be 19 when training camp rolls around. Virtanens getting his 10 games at the bare minimum. After that it's on the coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdatb Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Yeah I thought it was obvious. I thought it was pretty funny. I chuckled seeing people try to figure out what you meant. I used to tell people I had an IQ similar to a cucumber, while a little self deprecating, it would confuse them significantly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) There's no reason for him not to be, considering he's got all the abilities needed, he needs to start learning how to play against NHLers, and another year in junior would be close to useless, but I'm not running the team. Benning is. He's confident in Jake. So is Linden, who said he was an absolute no-brainer pick. I think they know what they're doing. So I guess let them do it. There's plenty of reasons for him not to be, I listed a few in my post previous to the one you replied to. If he's not ready then forcing him into the NHL would be bad. That would be worse than a "useless" year in junior. And it doesn't matter how confident Benning and Linden are in him, they haven't said he deserves to be in the NHL next year regardless of how he performs. What they have said is they want to make sure that opportunity is open for him if he does show he's ready. Being open to the option is letting them do their job, not twisting that into saying he's 1000% making the NHL next year. Horvat is 19 and made it. Virtanen will be 19 when training camp rolls around. Virtanens getting his 10 games at the bare minimum. After that it's on the coaching staff. No guarantee of that at all. First of all, 10 games would burn a year of his deal, so I think you mean 9 games. Even then, if they don't feel he's ready then they'll have to send him back before the season starts unless they've found a way to make roster moves. Otherwise, they'll have almost all players on the roster already who require waivers. Which of them would you like to send down just so Virtanen can play 9 games? Edited March 19, 2015 by elvis15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 "He'll be fun to watch next year." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 "He'll be fun to watch next year." Wherever he plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Wherever he plays. "Change is coming." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 "Change is coming." In two to three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 In two to three years. Change is Coming, never specifies what kind of change. Maybe their going to change the menus next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 In two to three years.Recent trends suggest otherwise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Which of them would you like to send down just so Virtanen can play 9 games? To be fair, it's quite likely SOMEONE will have an ailment of some sort that would allow them to view him for a few games if they deem him worthy of an extended look past camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiffyPB Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) Keep pumping dem tires Ban. Edited March 19, 2015 by ghjffbali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_The_Schneid! Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I'm leaning towards thinking he makes the team next year I think Benning and linden are going to want to get there hands onto the development of this kid The whl and the hit men won't get him to be the player he is capable of being Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post theminister Posted March 19, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) Recent trends suggest otherwise. None of which has anything to do with Virtanen's timeline for entry into the NHL. In fact, if you are watching the trends, the acquisition of Baertschi might suggest that the club doesn't see it as likely that Jake makes the team out of camp. The numbers do not work in his favour. My personal opinion is that JB would rather have JV as an available call-up in two seasons while using Jensen in that role next year. I think they will want JV to play another year in junior and at the WJC followed by at least 30-40 games in the AHL. The only likelihood that could change is if we feel we need him. Our current roster doesn't suggest that. There will be gradual change but deciding there is an implicit cryptography in JB's statements is nothing but personal speculation. There have been more statements to the contrary about training camp etc. than any implying he is slated to make the team. Until there is something solid from the GM it's just wishful thinking. Edited March 19, 2015 by theminister 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucksnhl Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 He's like Naslund and Bertuzzi combined! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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