Canorth Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 12 minutes ago, The 5th Line said: So Jake was a non factor today? Wow that really surprises me but let's just have patience because this kid oozes potential. Chirp chirp chirp Watch the game, he played fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntrix Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 34 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said: I seriously wonder if any of you "critics" for lack of a better term, are actually Canucks fans at all. How about you point out a bad game that he's had. A game where a direct turnover actually cost his team a game. He doesn't need to cause a direct turnover which costs the team the game for him to have a bad game and you know it. Let's not resort to emplacing these petty parameters for gameplay. 20 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said: He hit the crossbar from a backhander in tight and brought the puck to the crease a couple of times from either side of the net and was unlucky to not tuck one in. You can't make a judgement about his play unless you watch the games. I'm not surprised that the same group of people can't find anything positive to say about his game. The boxscore will never tell you how someone is playing. I watched the game and he was not good. What's funny is that CDC's opinion on Virtanen's play varies from the more neutral forums (such as the WJC HF forum) a lot. I wonder why that is. 21 minutes ago, CANUCK-EXPRESS said: Atleast Jakes' no Dal Colle... top 5 pick getting cut from TC twice... lmao. It could be worse. That's the spirit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCK-EXPRESS Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 5 minutes ago, guntrix said: That's the spirit! It's a positive spirit... you wouldn't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 ^ He wasn't great. But he was certainly good. Was he bad? did he continuously turn the puck over? Did his play lead to odd man rushes the other way? Noooo, Because it was 'kin Denmark. 3 quality scoring chances that I saw. Is that playing poorly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntrix Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 2 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said: ^ He wasn't great. But he was certainly good. Was he bad? did he continuously turn the puck over? Did his play lead to odd man rushes the other way? Noooo, Because it was 'kin Denmark. 3 quality scoring chances that I saw. Is that playing poorly? 3 scoring chances coupled in with relative obscurity (to the point where I wondered if he was even playing anymore) against a third-rate team as a returnee. I get that you're trying to lower the bar for our very own but let's be real, he was probably one of the weaker Canadian forwards today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) 29 minutes ago, The 5th Line said: So Jake was a non factor today? Wow that really surprises me but let's just have patience because this kid oozes potential. If he was a non-factor he wouldn't have made the team now would he? But lets just have patience? Hell **** yeah patience. He's 19 years old. 19. Not a 25-30 year old veteran. If you're expecting Virtanen to produce 5 points a night, score 70-80 point seasons in the NHL, I'm sorry, but it's not going to happen. I've already explained in my previous posts. It's frustrating every time you say stuff like "He's not physical", when every damn person thinks he is. I'd really love to know you're definition of physical. Cause if what Virtanen brings isn't physical enough to you, I would like to know what is. Perhaps being a total goon who head-hunts and fights people only? It's just the World Juniors. Juniors. Edited December 29, 2015 by Odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Cody Hodgson taught me not to get worked up about how a player does in the WJCs. Wasn't he the MVP or something? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 1 hour ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Excuses excuses excuses. There are players in the WJC who have literally come from all over the world and are making that adjustment. Pastrnak jumps straight in and scores the game winning goal off a flight from Boston. Enough of the excuses for Virtanen, just because he's a local boy and high pick. He needs to and DESERVES to be scrutinized. Aren't you the guy who said he'd be happy to pay $4.3 million or more for a 4th line center? Aren't you the guy that adds a 1st plus a prospect to every single marginal player rumoured to be available? With all due respect mon frere, I respect the opinion of the drunk hobo outside of rogers more than I do your opinion about anything hockey 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 2 minutes ago, Odd. said: If he was a non-factor he wouldn't have made the team now would he? But lets just have patience? Hell **** yeah patience. He's 19 years old. 19. Not a 25-30 year old veteran. If you're expecting Virtanen to produce 5 points a night, score 70-80 point seasons in the NHL, I'm sorry, but it's not going to happen. I've already explained in my previous posts. It's frustrating every time you say stuff like "He's not physical", when every damn person thinks he is. I'd really love to know you're definition of physical. Cause if what Virtanen brings isn't physical enough to you, I would like to know what is. Perhaps being a total goon who head-hunts and fights people only? And ffs, it's the World Juniors. Juniors. Mind my language, but it's ridiculous. Yes he's young, but he is a pro and open to criticism. He does need to be more impactful to games' outcomes. Right now, he's not. He needs to be better coached, and play with a very skilled playmaking centre. I think he's trying to do too much, and should just go up and down his wing, and be physical. Get the puck and move it, or shoot it quickly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The 5th Line said: He is very physical when he actually moves his damn feet!!! and what the hell bruh, the bolded part literally makes no sense at all...in fact, none of what you said really makes any sense. Im getting out of here before I get to riled up. Cheers, boys To avoid an argument, I'll let it go. Edited December 29, 2015 by Odd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Dizzle Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 WHY DIDN'T WE DRAFT KYLE BEACH?!?!?!?!?!?!? Oh sorry, am I late? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: Yes he's young, but he is a pro and open to criticism. He does need to be more impactful to games' outcomes. Right now, he's not. He needs to be better coached, and play with a very skilled playmaking centre. I think he's trying to do too much, and should just go up and down his wing, and be physical. Get the puck and move it, or shoot it quickly. at this rate can he just get a couple of decent shots on goal and I will be fine with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Your Huckleberry Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 I think when evaluating anybody's play you have to consider the role they're supposed to be playing. Watching Jake play in this tourney it looks like the coaching staff wants him to play a heavy net front game to open up space for the rest. He's not the guy that is going to be carrying the puck and distributing it. They might give it to him to gain the zone with his speed but otherwise it looks like his role is to win pucks on the forecheck, cycle, and go to the net. Whether or not this suits Jakes game is a different story but I think he's been doing what has been asked of him pretty well. It would be nice to start seeing him jam some home from the top of the crease but I don't think saying he is having a poor tournament is fair. But then again what do I know? I'm just a guy on his phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCK-EXPRESS Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) 49 minutes ago, The 5th Line said: No I was unable to watch today. But I just read through 4 pages of unsatisfied CDC users. I'm glad you guys are smart enough to notice my sarcasm, now only if you were smart enough to see real hockey talent when it's in front of you But I do admire the passion and patience you both have and I truly mean that. I'm a die hard Nucks fan myself. Lets just hope Jake plays better in the next one. What do you mean sarcasm?? Lool most of your comment here is negative so we/I expect negative posts from you. It's hard for me to notice if it's sarcasm or not when there's a pattern on your comments. You a cool dude though Edited December 29, 2015 by CANUCK-EXPRESS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spotted Zebra Posted December 29, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2015 1 hour ago, canuckledraggin said: I seriously wonder if any of you "critics" for lack of a better term, are actually Canucks fans at all. How about you point out a bad game that he's had. A game where a direct turnover actually cost his team a game. To hear some people talk about him he's the reason behind every Canucks' loss this year. Team Canada won 6-1 today, but to hear people talk about JV you'd think they lost the game and he was the reason. We didn't draft a finished product and you're just going to have to suffer through all the insecurities that you're projecting on this kid. It's the same thing with the PGT on CDC. When we win the post-game will be about 10 pages and when we lose there will be 30 pages of pi$$ing and moaning, trade proposals and lineup combinations. You can't live or die by every game that the team plays and you can't just follow #18 around the ice and expect that everything he does is going to impress you. You're going to give yourself an aneurysm! Okay so then don't complain about Chris Higgins for the rest of the year 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 1 hour ago, J-Dizzle said: WHY DIDN'T WE DRAFT KYLE BEACH?!?!?!?!?!?!? Oh sorry, am I late? No, we picked the WJC ace instead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowardrobertford Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 1 hour ago, higgyfan said: Cody Hodgson taught me not to get worked up about how a player does in the WJCs. Wasn't he the MVP or something? Yeah, yet Cody boy was legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenBae Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Is the criticism not justified? At this point in his development, Jake should only be trending up, however fast he's trending up would be a non-issue as long as there's always progress. But, we have only seen him regress, he has no idea what to work on and is instead trying to work on everything at once, perhaps a result of the lack of "hockey IQ" others have pointed out, or perhaps just plain inexperience with struggling at any level of hockey, since he has likely always dominated. I think for the future, when he can, he should be sent to Utica where Green and Co. can build separate aspects of his game, for him, because tackling this on his own using Willie's tough love approach is not working. I honestly see no indication that he will put the pieces together by himself, and is probably going to need his hand held all the way to the NHL level. First and foremost I'd like to see him sent back to Junior before things become so critical that his confidence in his game is completely destroyed. Get him out from under the microscope in Vancouver and let him slowly put his game together at his own pace, this season in Junior and next season in Utica. And from then on try and introduce him back to the NHL, SLOWLY. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaHoneyBadger Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Outside of Lindros and Benn, there have been few, if any big body skilled players who had an impact at the WJCs. They take longer to develop. He is playing very cautious, has been all year. There were a few shifts where he cracked it open today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihatetomatoes Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 38 minutes ago, SvenBae said: Is the criticism not justified? At this point in his development, Jake should only be trending up, however fast he's trending up would be a non-issue as long as there's always progress. But, we have only seen him regress, he has no idea what to work on and is instead trying to work on everything at once, perhaps a result of the lack of "hockey IQ" others have pointed out, or perhaps just plain inexperience with struggling at any level of hockey, since he has likely always dominated. I think for the future, when he can, he should be sent to Utica where Green and Co. can build separate aspects of his game, for him, because tackling this on his own using Willie's tough love approach is not working. I honestly see no indication that he will put the pieces together by himself, and is probably going to need his hand held all the way to the NHL level. First and foremost I'd like to see him sent back to Junior before things become so critical that his confidence in his game is completely destroyed. Get him out from under the microscope in Vancouver and let him slowly put his game together at his own pace, this season in Junior and next season in Utica. And from then on try and introduce him back to the NHL, SLOWLY. Excellent post. Benning seems hell bent on rushing Jake's development in the hopes he can be an impact player before the Sedins retire. As you pointed out Jake needs to work on so many different aspects of his game that he needs time and opportunity to work on this. The NHL is the wrong place for Jake at this point of his development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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