theminister Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Overreactions. Overreactions everywhere. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowardrobertford Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Just now, Warhippy said: On 12/31/2015 at 1:05 PM, Cowardrobertford said: Best thing we can do for Jake is ignore him. people talk about destroying his confidence in the NHL? Imagine what an entire country looking for a scape goat is going to do, and with TSN pinning the whole thing on one bad penalty no less. Let's keep him up. Then send him to the AHL and Green for 2+ seasons the same way we did Shinkaruk. Our best bet is to keep him up, avoid allowing him to pick up those bad habits that Willie D has tried to coach out of him from Junior and then send him to the AHL with Subban Gaunce and the boys at seasons end to develop for the next few seasons. Because as of right now he is currently persona non grata for about 80% of this board and about half this whole frigging country that cannot see past what TSN will tell them for reasons why Canada is out of the tournament I don't think I ever said this, it certainly didn't sound like me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Just now, Cowardrobertford said: I don't think I ever said this, it certainly didn't sound like me it isn't...every single time I try posting something your quote box keeps coming up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Soldier Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Just now, funkyfresh said: Again, almost no one here is asking him to be a point producer in the NHL right away. People are (unjustly) writing him off because of the way he is playing. This is what happens when incompetent management puts a kid, who is not ready, in the lineup. No, they're not. But they're using Nylander's AHL numbers (historically a measure of &^@#ing nothing) and declaring him a sure fire first line center who will absolutely succeed and crush adversity. Jake's struggles annoy me far less then the wank job CDC gives to everyone we don't draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCannon Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Just now, The 5th Line said: 19 NHL games , 12 AHL games , 2 WJHC tournaments and I watched him around 15 times with Calgary last season. All together I can honestly say I have seen about 4/5 games as a whole that have impressed me... If I sit there and watch him play poorly at all levels why the hell should I expect him to be a good NHL player one day? He can skate and has good size. Everything else is sub-par or just plain awful. I appreciate that you've seen him alot, and more than I, I can say that for certain. That being said, I don't think a kid gets drafted 6th overall, is selected to play on team Canada twice (so all the hockey minds at Hockey Canada think he's one of the top under 19 yr olds twice!) and was highly ranked by Central Scouting if he is just 'plain awful or sub par" as you say. He needs to develop. But he is big, hits like a truck, has a HELL of a shot, and a temper. What does he need to develop? 1. Maturity 2. 200 ft play 3. Driving play. He has the ability to drive play but sits back alot, this is both a confidence thing and a coaching thing. In the NHL he wanted to stick. I guarantee you WD and team said don't worry about offense, just make sure you don't make defensive errors (just as they did with Bo). To score you need to take risks offensively. From what I have seen of his highlights in junior vs NHL play, is he's sitting back alot more in the NHL, and he did very much so in the WJC, he played overly cautious. When his game is developed enough in #2 above to start being able to take those risks again, we will see his offensive talent come out. He is not a play maker and will need to play with one for us to really see his talent and skill, he's a sniper plain and simple. But once he develops that 200 ft game, starts driving the net, creating room, and plays with a set up man, we will see something great from him in my view. And all of these things are coachable because they are in him. He just needs to go to Junior then one or two seasons with Green to teach him how to play the pro game and use his assets. 4. I have little doubt that Green will take this talent and turn him into a real threat, my biggest concern is we lose Green prior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Five more pages, surely of more rampant urination. Didn't read and didn't watch the game, but let me try:"Calling Jake a bust is an insult to busts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Soldier Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Just now, The 5th Line said: My lord, you actually think people are concerned about his point production? Lol the anguish stems from much more concerning things than just point totals Just now, Winter Soldier said: No, they're not. But they're using Nylander's AHL numbers (historically a measure of &^@#ing nothing) and declaring him a sure fire first line center who will absolutely succeed and crush adversity. Jake's struggles annoy me far less then the wank job CDC gives to everyone we don't draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Winter Soldier said: No, they're not. But they're using Nylander's AHL numbers (historically a measure of &^@#ing nothing) and declaring him a sure fire first line center who will absolutely succeed and crush adversity. Jake's struggles annoy me far less then the wank job CDC gives to everyone we don't draft. What?!? Jason Krog and Darren Haydar are just about to break out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: Well said Shift....in line with what I think in that "fine line" stuff. Would rather he's all in invested than a casual observer. Just needs some fine tuning and hopefully he responds to that and learns from this experience. On the double minor his stick was held first. He was probably pretty pissed off about that. The second penalty happened probably because he was pissed off. That is what he has to correct. But didn't he also stop a two on one by taking that second penalty??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowardrobertford Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 1 minute ago, theminister said: Overreactions. Overreactions everywhere. No idea, how'd that be 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazmanian Devil Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Just now, theminister said: What?!? Jason Krog and Darren Haydar are just about to break out. Don't forget Keith Aucoin and Jason Jaffray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfresh Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, Winter Soldier said: No, they're not. But they're using Nylander's AHL numbers (historically a measure of &^@#ing nothing) and declaring him a sure fire first line center who will absolutely succeed and crush adversity. Jake's struggles annoy me far less then the wank job CDC gives to everyone we don't draft. I can understand that but the best thing we can do is ignore those posts and focus on Virtanen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zimmy Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 No doubt the same posters who crowned Cody Hodgson our next impact player are the same ones roasting Jake today (and for the last 3 months). Must be exhausting and a heavy burden indeed as the only observers who are always right and then having to pass this knowledge on to the rest of us. I hope your clairvoyance serves you well in your day jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCannon Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Just now, zimmy said: No doubt the same posters who crowned Cody Hodgson our next impact player are the same ones roasting Jake today (and for the last 3 months). Must be exhausting and a heavy burden indeed as the only observers who are always right and then having to pass this knowledge on to the rest of us. I hope your clairvoyance serves you well in your day jobs. Lol well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Soldier Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Just now, funkyfresh said: I can understand that but the best thing we can do is ignore those posts and focus on Virtanen. Just now, zimmy said: No doubt the same posters who crowned Cody Hodgson our next impact player are the same ones roasting Jake today (and for the last 3 months). Must be exhausting and a heavy burden indeed as the only observers who are always right and then having to pass this knowledge on to the rest of us. I hope your clairvoyance serves you well in your day jobs. You guys get it. Just now, The 5th Line said: You would have to go back about 30 pages to see somebody talk about Nylanders AHL point totals but okay. You do you, man "We could have had x!" is rampant any time any prospect stumbles. You're missing the forest for the trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post higgyfan Posted January 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2016 Might be a good time for Canuck fans to support the kid. I imagine he is feeling a lot worse than any of us. Take some time off from the bashing if that's the best you can offer. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 16 minutes ago, The 5th Line said: My lord, you actually think people are concerned about his point production? Lol the anguish stems from much more concerning things than just point totals Concerned is fine. Writing him off like a finished product? Not so much. This probably is a good reminder to the "TANK TO WIN" crowd that nothing's a given. We've adopted that catch phrase like it's a recipe for success but young players can't just be inserted in and expected to win. It's a journey, not a passport stamp to the final destination. Lame, but let's keep that in mind every time we put all the eggs in the tank to win basket. There will be peaks and valleys and an overall assessment takes some time. Let players develop to see what they "are". There is some flash in the pan brilliance that may not translate to overall success. Depends on the supporting cast (too...see "Oilers"). There are some works in progress that need to learn some more. There are some who will never find their way to NHL success (Gilbert Brule comes to mind). And there are some who may pick up things that help them develop into overall solid players and surpass expectations. We don't know yet....that's what my point is. So let's not decide based on a limited history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Quote John Shannon @JSportsnet 21s21 seconds ago Quick text convo with Jim Benning. He confirms that Jake Virtanen will rejoin the Canucks after returning from WJC. So...That's a thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Just now, CanuckianOne said: So...That's a thing Maybe because he anticipates clearing up a roster spot. Maybe so they can closely monitor him. Maybe that won't fit the false predictions of an incompetent management by nervous nellies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post McCannon Posted January 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) 20 minutes ago, CanuckianOne said: So...That's a thing They know what they are doing. As I said above, they will use this as a huge teaching moment for him. And hopefully as I said it lights a real fire under him to quiet what will be alot of critics. Perhaps Benning feels being with older pro's will help shelter him a bit, teach him to ignore the noise. I trust Benning and Co know what they are doing. His confidence will be rattled right now, they maybe want to ensure they don't pile on him at a time where he really needs to be helped up a bit. He's a Canuck, he's a good kid, he's got great wheels, great hands, hits like a truck, and wanted to be a Canuck. I am going to keep cheering for him, wanting him to succeed, because if and when he does we're better for it. And this is from someone who initially wanted Ehlers...so. And oh, he's only 19. So I'll reserve judgement on his trajectory until I have seen him play in the NHL for at least 3 full years. I remember a guy named Kesler who was big, could skate real fast, who had a chip on his shoulder and was at best a 3rd line Center - he won the Selke. I remember a guy named Burrows who wasn't even supposed to make it to the AHL. I remember a guy named Ronning who was too small to play in the NHL, I remember alot of names that were too this or too that, or not this or not that. This kid has all the tools and most importantly the RIGHT ATTITUDE to get better, so he will with the right coaching and development. Go Jake! Edited January 2, 2016 by McCannon 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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