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On 15/12/2016 at 5:21 AM, terrible.dee said:

Did he say anything Wille specific, or is it just raving about Green?

 

The kid is a bit of a politician, he knows WD may not be around by the time he gets there, and the most likely candidate to replace is the guy standing behind him

He has another good reason to rave about Green, Green plays him - WD benches him.  He has rewarded Green with 4 goals in his last 8 games.

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On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Alflives said:

Where did Kesler's and Burrows start?  Where did the Twins start?  Guys do develop into top six roles, while learning in the bottom six.  

Thank God for the lock-out in 2005 so guys like Kesler, Burrows, Edler, Bieksa, Rypien, Hansen could all spend that entire year in Manitoba.

Worked like a charm.

When AV came to Canucks he kept Kesler/Cooke/Burrows on the 3rd lines for 2 years to build that chemistry, learn defensive side of the puck. That too worked like a charm as they were a hated but effective young line that was capable of stripping loose pucks and burying them while completely pi $$ing off the other team

 

It works for some better than others to learn in minors or the 4th line.

 

Take Horvat and Virtanen for the latest examples

 

Horvat started on the 4th line and WD kept him shackled there no matter how badly Horvat wanted to bust thru his glass ceiling. Not once did he complain or whine about ice-time. In those 10 mins per game he learned how to take face-offs, defensive side of the game and basically the acolades of being in the big and it's worked out perfectly.

Virtanen had been put in a similar situation and it didn't turn out with the same results as Bo. Imagine if it did?

 

Anymore comparisons you like to throw out?

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10 minutes ago, missioncanucksfan said:

Thank God for the lock-out in 2005 so guys like Kesler, Burrows, Edler, Bieksa, Rypien, Hansen could all spend that entire year in Manitoba.

Worked like a charm.

When AV came to Canucks he kept Kesler/Cooke/Burrows on the 3rd lines for 2 years to build that chemistry, learn defensive side of the puck. That too worked like a charm as they were a hated but effective young line that was capable of stripping loose pucks and burying them while completely pi $$ing off the other team

 

It works for some better than others to learn in minors or the 4th line.

 

Take Horvat and Virtanen for the latest examples

 

Horvat started on the 4th line and WD kept him shackled there no matter how badly Horvat wanted to bust thru his glass ceiling. Not once did he complain or whine about ice-time. In those 10 mins per game he learned how to take face-offs, defensive side of the game and basically the acolades of being in the big and it's worked out perfectly.

Virtanen had been put in a similar situation and it didn't turn out with the same results as Bo. Imagine if it did?

 

Anymore comparisons you like to throw out?

So we agree.  NHL teams do develop players on the big club.  

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18 minutes ago, Alflives said:

So we agree.  NHL teams do develop players on the big club.  

Gotta see who the player is, Yes there are players that develope straight out of the NHL but some players get there not because it's best for thier developement but because there are no other better players for the team that's available. We can say Horvat is doing this or doing that but imagine if Horvat spent a couple of years in the AHL rather than the NHL, wouldn't Horvat would have dominated the AHL and come out a completely different player? 

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7 hours ago, smokes said:

Gotta see who the player is, Yes there are players that develope straight out of the NHL but some players get there not because it's best for thier developement but because there are no other better players for the team that's available. We can say Horvat is doing this or doing that but imagine if Horvat spent a couple of years in the AHL rather than the NHL, wouldn't Horvat would have dominated the AHL and come out a completely different player? 

can't imagine what kind of a player he would be if he spent time in the AHL. he's already tearing it up in my opinion. and i think he's a beast this season. he's becoming an offensive player. on pace for 52 points. if he goes on any kind of streak in the second half. he could very well reach 60 points. and that would simply be fantastic for him this year. he's coming into his own. 

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10 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

can't imagine what kind of a player he would be if he spent time in the AHL. he's already tearing it up in my opinion. and i think he's a beast this season. he's becoming an offensive player. on pace for 52 points. if he goes on any kind of streak in the second half. he could very well reach 60 points. and that would simply be fantastic for him this year. he's coming into his own. 

He's been inconsistant this year. In the eyes of Canuck fans he's the second coming of Linden but in the NHL, he's average.

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6 hours ago, smokes said:

He's been inconsistant this year. In the eyes of Canuck fans he's the second coming of Linden but in the NHL, he's average.

Completely disagree. Horvat is probably the best all around player on the Nucks this season and looks to be the only one who cares night in night out. He is probably one of the best players in the league in his roll at his age and I think would garner far far above average interest to most teams if he were ever on the block. Unfortunately the Canucks have little residual talent these days (although his line mates have been producing lately), just imagine if he was playing with highly skilled players found on pretty much any other team.

 

While I am a Linden fan (as a player) I would consider him average while Horvat will be a far superior player. 

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8 minutes ago, Ronaldoescobar said:

Completely disagree. Horvat is probably the best all around player on the Nucks this season and looks to be the only one who cares night in night out. He is probably one of the best players in the league in his roll at his age and I think would garner far far above average interest to most teams if he were ever on the block. Unfortunately the Canucks have little residual talent these days (although his line mates have been producing lately), just imagine if he was playing with highly skilled players found on pretty much any other team.

 

While I am a Linden fan (as a player) I would consider him average while Horvat will be a far superior player. 

When Iron Mike Keenan traded Linden he got Bertuzzi and McCabe in return.  I love Bo, but don't see him returning that in trade.

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7 minutes ago, Ronaldoescobar said:

 

 

While I am a Linden fan (as a player) I would consider him average while Horvat will be a far superior player. 

First Three years of Linden

1988–89 Vancouver Canucks NHL 80 30 29 59 41 7 3 4 7 8
1989–90 Vancouver Canucks NHL 73 21 30 51 43
1990–91 Vancouver Canucks NHL 80 33 37 70 65 6 0 7 7 2

 

 

First three years of Horvat

2014–15 Vancouver Canucks NHL 68 13 12 25 16 6 1 3 4 2
2015–16 Vancouver Canucks NHL 82 16 24 40 18

 

 

Linden was the youngest Captain of the Canucks. Linden went second overall, Horvat went 9th. Horvat doesn't come close.

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7 minutes ago, Alflives said:

When Iron Mike Keenan traded Linden he got Bertuzzi and McCabe in return.  I love Bo, but don't see him returning that in trade.

 

Who wants Bertuzzi or McCabe....way to old....

 

....LInden got traded in his prime, Horvat would get a better haul next year and thereafter...he is at least as good as Linden was.

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8 minutes ago, smokes said:

First Three years of Linden

1988–89 Vancouver Canucks NHL 80 30 29 59 41 7 3 4 7 8
1989–90 Vancouver Canucks NHL 73 21 30 51 43
1990–91 Vancouver Canucks NHL 80 33 37 70 65 6 0 7 7 2

 

 

First three years of Horvat

2014–15 Vancouver Canucks NHL 68 13 12 25 16 6 1 3 4 2
2015–16 Vancouver Canucks NHL 82 16 24 40 18

 

 

Linden was the youngest Captain of the Canucks. Linden went second overall, Horvat went 9th. Horvat doesn't come close.

Misleading stats. Very few players can generate those type of stats in their first few years anymore. Its a completely different game and completely different goalie equipment. How many 50 goal scorers do we have in the league now compared to back then?

 

McDavid is possibly as good as Gretzky, but he'll never reach the same numbers. Players just don't score at the same rate as they used to. Unless the proposed changes to the goalie equipment really do what everyone is hoping.

 

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2 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said:

 

Who wants Bertuzzi or McCabe....way to old....

 

....LInden got traded in his prime, Horvat would get a better haul next year and thereafter...he is at least as good as Linden was.

Linden was the first Canucks rookie to score thirty goals. Horvat? 10. First Canucks rookie to win the Cyclone Taylor award for Canuck MVP. Linden took over Captaincy at 21.  Led the Canucks to thier first Divisional title since 74. Led the Canucks in points from rookie until Bure. What did Horvat do?

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5 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said:

 

Gretsky got 200 points in that era...these are different times, nobody scores over 120 points anymore...even 100 points is only hit by one or two players these days.

 

Bo is better than you think.

Bo may be better than I think but not Linden better. Kesler better, maybe but not Linden better.

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