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2 hours ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

 

 

Actually I would say he had false character. LOL. 

 

I've seen guys like that all the time. Act pious and good, but have alterior motives.  The signs where there. He refused to go to the OHL team that drafted him.... Had issues with the coach of one of the best teams in the NHL, demanded ice time over a Olympian and Selkie winning center etc etc etc.  Made a fool of himself by ordering milk while out with the guys, according to KB3. He also angled for a contract that he seriously failed to live up too and was out of professional hockey at the age of 24 or so. 

 

Really, Cody was about Cody.  That's not a leader. That's not character.  IMO. 

 

 

Agree with everything but the milk. if only shane o'brian and kassian drank milk.

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2 hours ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

 

 

Actually I would say he had false character. LOL. 

 

I've seen guys like that all the time. Act pious and good, but have alterior motives.  The signs where there. He refused to go to the OHL team that drafted him.... Had issues with the coach of one of the best teams in the NHL, demanded ice time over a Olympian and Selkie winning center etc etc etc.  Made a fool of himself by ordering milk while out with the guys, according to KB3. He also angled for a contract that he seriously failed to live up too and was out of professional hockey at the age of 24 or so. 

 

Really, Cody was about Cody.  That's not a leader. That's not character.  IMO. 

 

 

 

According to Bob Mckenzie and the people he has talked to, you're incorrect.

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22 minutes ago, shiznak said:

 

According to Bob Mckenzie and the people he has talked to, you're incorrect.

 

 

So GMMG was not the only one who got it wrong. Sure at the time I loved the pick. Time later gave us a different picture of Cody. 

 

So your right if you are only talking about his draft day to draft year plus 1. After that the real Coho started to emerge and his faults became far more apparent.   

 

So I am right if we look at his complete career. 

 

Split the difference, call it a draw.  Either way we are debating history. 

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22 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

 

 

So GMMG was not the only one who got it wrong. Sure at the time I loved the pick. Time later gave us a different picture of Cody. 

 

So your right if you are only talking about his draft day to draft year plus 1. After that the real Coho started to emerge and his faults became far more apparent.   

 

So I am right if we look at his complete career. 

 

Split the difference, call it a draw.  Either way we are debating history. 

The CO-HO business case study is an interesting one.Lessons to taken away for sure especially for young players.

I am sure if he had to do it all over again Cody would change up a few things post draft.

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5 hours ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

 

 

Actually I would say he had false character. LOL. 

 

I've seen guys like that all the time. Act pious and good, but have alterior motives.  The signs where there. He refused to go to the OHL team that drafted him.... Had issues with the coach of one of the best teams in the NHL, demanded ice time over a Olympian and Selkie winning center etc etc etc.  Made a fool of himself by ordering milk while out with the guys, according to KB3. He also angled for a contract that he seriously failed to live up too and was out of professional hockey at the age of 24 or so. 

 

Really, Cody was about Cody.  That's not a leader. That's not character.  IMO. 

 

 

I agree with you except for the milk thing. A pro athlete that doesn't drink is a good thing. It's funny though. 

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52 minutes ago, The Rattler said:

You didn't see Linden play, otherwise, you wouldn't be saying that.  You didn't see things like Linden in his rookie year taking a D zone faceoff with one minute left to play, protecting a one goal lead, and directing veteran players on where to position themselves.  Trust me, Linden was well above average right from the start.

 

 

Trevor won back to back Mem Cups too.

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5 hours ago, bobbyg43 said:

The CO-HO business case study is an interesting one.Lessons to taken away for sure especially for young players.

I am sure if he had to do it all over again Cody would change up a few things post draft.

 

 

Iike fire his agent and not let his father do the talking. 

 

Coho was a great junior star who's ego was much bigger than his talent. In retrospect we could have seen that coming too. The kids helmet was huge. Lol. 

 

Coho lacked humilty, yet wasn't brash or able to back things up. So he did what many priveldged kids too, got daddy involved. That's likely a parenting issue, but it also speaks loudly about personal strength and character. 

 

He he a back injury, whether he tried to hide it, or AV was

mean to him, I have no idea.  Cannot see a franchise in the modern era being cavalier with a top ten pick as valued as Coho was. This was the GMMG team with all the extras to max out player production.

 

Coho started to sour on everything in Vancouver after that.  He was entitled and it showed.  That entitlement is what did him in. He had everything on a silver platter and when things got tougher, he whinned instead of worked. IMO. 

 

Hopefully we never pick a guy like that again.  Really hard to blame GMMG for this. Coho was highly touted. We had just lost Lic Bourdun and the franchise had just changed GM's. Things were in turmoil. Still it would have been nice to have a Karlsson or Myers. GMMG did not make the same mistake with Horvat, thank god. 

 

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2 hours ago, The Rattler said:

You didn't see Linden play, otherwise, you wouldn't be saying that.  You didn't see things like Linden in his rookie year taking a D zone faceoff with one minute left to play, protecting a one goal lead, and directing veteran players on where to position themselves.  Trust me, Linden was well above average right from the start.

 

 

 

 

I think they were very similar. Both big strong farm boys with incredible work ethic, committed to team play, clutch and willing to do it all without having to be the center of attention. 

 

Hard to say who was better as the game and league have changed so much. Linden was coached by Quinn in an era where rookies were thrown into the fire. Quinn was a gambler and coached with instincts. Far far different from Willie. Horvat is getting held back IMO, and I am not sure if this is a good or bad thing development wise.  Horvat also has a couple of Art Ross/Lindsay award winners in front of him on the depth chart. Linden was clearly the best player on the team when he arrived.  

 

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I know it's so early in his career and that "power forwards" take longer to develop, but I just can't shake this sick feeling that Jake may never live up to the expectations of being drafted so high. At least not with the Canucks.

 

Here's hoping that he spends a couple of years in the minor's finding his game, and more importantly, his desire to make the show and hopefully prove the naysayers wrong.

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57 minutes ago, MJDDawg said:

I know it's so early in his career and that "power forwards" take longer to develop, but I just can't shake this sick feeling that Jake may never live up to the expectations of being drafted so high. At least not with the Canucks.

 

Here's hoping that he spends a couple of years in the minor's finding his game, and more importantly, his desire to make the show and hopefully prove the naysayers wrong.

I'm hoping that he only needs a few months in the minors to find his game. It would be nice to see him back on the Canucks this spring, making a useful contribution.

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8 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said:

I'm hoping that he only needs a few months in the minors to find his game. It would be nice to see him back on the Canucks this spring, making a useful contribution.

I think, from the comments of Green, Jake needs to commit to being a professional - especially when it comes to his fitness. 

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7 hours ago, WeneedLumme said:

I'm hoping that he only needs a few months in the minors to find his game. It would be nice to see him back on the Canucks this spring, making a useful contribution.

I'd be perfectly happy if he spent the rest of this and most of next year in Utica. 

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