guntrix Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 46 minutes ago, shiznak said: I don't understand why management and the coaching staff are so hell-bent on developing Jake into a two-way player. He's never been that great in the defensive zone and probably never will be. It's like trying to teach a cat, dog tricks. It's less likely he's going to improve, no matter how much they try to teach him. Thus, hindering his offensive skillset and confidence to be successful in the NHL. They need to forget this whole 200-foot game, let him make his mistakes, and give him every opportunity to play in the offensive zone. I'd say that it's because you'd have to be pretty gifted offensively to be suspect defensively in the NHL and get away with it. Jake is no Patrick Kane, Backstrom or Ovie. He will have to carry his weight defensively in the NHL at least to an extent if he wants to have a career, just like most other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, guntrix said: If this thread were dedicated to reporting on his progress, it'd be empty. Not just because there's so few of us who actually watch the Utica games but because he's actually regressed play-wise. Forums are about expressing views and opinions about said topics and that's pretty much what makes them entertaining. It's no coincidence that this thread and the Burrows thread have been two of the hottest threads on this forum since their inception. Sometimes I hate myself, but I'm sure I hate you more... Edited January 14, 2017 by canuckledraggin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 175 AHL games left until Jake Virtanen becomes waiver eligible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, guntrix said: I'd say that it's because you'd have to be pretty gifted offensively to be suspect defensively in the NHL and get away with it. Jake is no Patrick Kane, Backstrom or Ovie. He will have to carry his weight defensively in the NHL at least to an extent if he wants to have a career, just like most other players. Imagine if Anaheim went through the same process with Perry. I don't think he'd be the same player he is today, if that happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) 30 minutes ago, iinatcc said: Maybe the felt after further evaluation he doesn't have much of a offensive upside? Could be, but how would they know if they barely used him in offensive situations, last year. Edited January 14, 2017 by shiznak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 22 minutes ago, The 5th Line said: I still have faith in this kid but I can't explain my theory without coming off like a huge D-bag and taking mass amounts of flak from other posters...which is literally what happens every time I post on this site anyways but for now I'll keep this particular comment to myself It's pretty juicy though and I know some of you would really love to hear it. Mwuahaha Stay this way. Let's enjoy this ride as Canucks fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 5 hours ago, JamesB said: It is said a lot but it is not true. There was a fairly detailed analysis of this point in another thread in the recent past that, in my view, was pretty much definitive. Also for what it is worth I have downloaded the entire NHL.com and done quite a few checks on this point. It is not obvious how you define "power forwards" for the purposes of statistical analysis but if we say they tend to be big wingers who make more hits than average and/or take more penalties than average (or any other permutation that we think might correspond to being a power forward) those guys do not develop any later than other forwards. Some guys are late bloomers but most high end forwards (power forwards or small playmakers or whatever) show more than Jake has by their draft+3 year. Body type has nothing to do with it. We just have to hope that Jake is a late bloomer. Some guys are late bloomers? List some names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 28 minutes ago, Drakrami said: Some guys are late bloomers? List some names. Well hopefully it's not a deal like next year..well he's only 21 and the next..well he's only 22..and on and on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEON.KNEE Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 10 hours ago, Warhippy said: Just gonna leave this here That thread is damn near satire at this point... People are tearing a 20 year old apart, and some of the posts do nothing but stroke the poster's ego. I am strting to see why other team's and their fanbase can't stand us... I don't like us 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tystick Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 hour ago, NEON.KNEE said: That thread is damn near satire at this point... People are tearing a 20 year old apart, and some of the posts do nothing but stroke the poster's ego. I am strting to see why other team's and their fanbase can't stand us... I don't like us Yep many fans here should leave the kid alone. He's working to become better, he wants to be better. Green seems to get the best out of our young guys and since there's no rush lets give him a break already. When we drafted him his main criticism was he didn't see the ice at an NHL level yet. He has lots of time. If he's still playing like this at 24 then go ahead and call him a bust. But ffs the kid went through shoulder surgery. I'd rather support him since he's dominated physically at every level he's played at. If he can become the first line power forward scoring winger he has the potential to be then we have something unique that not every team gets to have. And oh man he'll be worth it. Patience. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackcanuck Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 In Utica's last six games, Thatcher Demko has two more points than Jake Virtanen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogersTowell Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 5 hours ago, Drakrami said: Some guys are late bloomers? List some names. Cam Neely. Need more? Pay attention to the game and it's history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, RogersTowell said: Cam Neely. Need more? Pay attention to the game and it's history. Neely had 31 points with the .Canucks as a 19 year old, and he did that in 60 games. So he was a .5 ppg guy, and tough as nails too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimitedEdition Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 I know Jake is still young but he's starting to flirt with being labeled a bust. Kid's gotta pick it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 11 hours ago, suitup said: Just a guess but were you referring to my post where I gathered stastical data on the first 3 years of every PWF or PWF-like players' progress and their eventual point production value? Yes I am. Sorry for not citing your posts specifically. I could remember where the posts were but, prompted by the above message, I searched and now realize that your posts were on December 27 in this thread. There were some other posts also around that time. And the issue has come up before. I think the evidence or, more accurately, lack of evidence for slower development of power forwards is pretty clear. Thanks, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Neely had 31 points with the .Canucks as a 19 year old, and he did that in 60 games. So he was a .5 ppg guy, and tough as nails too. Messier had 36 points as a rookie, this fan base would have traded him for a bag of pucks in the ridiculously high scoring 80's like they did Neely when 31 points even as a rookie for his draft position was considered pathetic in an era where there were a dozen or more players that scored better than 100+ points in 1984 alone and it ONLY increased from there with 9 players recording 50+ goal seasons 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Messier had 36 points as a rookie, this fan base would have traded him for a bag of pucks in the ridiculously high scoring 80's like they did Neely when 31 points even as a rookie for his draft position was considered pathetic in an era where there were a dozen or more players that scored better than 100+ points in 1984 alone and it ONLY increased from there with 9 players recording 50+ goal seasons yeah. foolishness to trade away such young players....unless they demonstrate otherwise (i.e. Daigle) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodCanadianKideh Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 7 hours ago, Drakrami said: Some guys are late bloomers? List some names. Todd Bertuzzi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 3 hours ago, Tystick said: Yep many fans here should leave the kid alone. He's working to become better, he wants to be better. Green seems to get the best out of our young guys and since there's no rush lets give him a break already. When we drafted him his main criticism was he didn't see the ice at an NHL level yet. He has lots of time. If he's still playing like this at 24 then go ahead and call him a bust. But ffs the kid went through shoulder surgery. I'd rather support him since he's dominated physically at every level he's played at. If he can become the first line power forward scoring winger he has the potential to be then we have something unique that not every team gets to have. And oh man he'll be worth it. Patience. might as well just keep him at that point, and give him a bottom six role. when did Bert start to break out offensively? 25? 26? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 minute ago, N4ZZY said: yeah. foolishness to trade away such young players....unless they demonstrate otherwise (i.e. Daigle) LOL this fan base would have LOVED Daigle though, 88 points in his first 131 games. OMG he's the next captain sign em up JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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