Popular Post aGENT Posted February 20, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2017 19 minutes ago, guntrix said: Like Alf mentioned, I'd try giving him a looser role to see what happens. It seems like Green's trying to instil too much structure into a player who previously succeeded using pure natural ability. That is one of the main things he needs to get away from, not do more of, if he's to develop in to an actual NHL player though. He's always been able to use his size, speed and shot to half-ass his way to success. He can't do that in the NHL. He needs to learn to WORK at the pro level and THEN use those natural abilities to compliment that work. Not continue to coast and rely on them. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalCanuckFan Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 2 hours ago, J.R. said: That is one of the main things he needs to get away from, not do more of, if he's to develop in to an actual NHL player though. He's always been able to use his size, speed and shot to half-ass his way to success. He can't do that in the NHL. He needs to learn to WORK at the pro level and THEN use those natural abilities to compliment that work. Not continue to coast and rely on them. I agree that Jake needs time to develop discipline and structure in his game. Still, I do hope that his instincts aren't undermined. He needs to learn how to apply his instincts into the structured pro game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 2 hours ago, EternalCanuckFan said: I agree that Jake needs time to develop discipline and structure in his game. Still, I do hope that his instincts aren't undermined. He needs to learn how to apply his instincts into the structured pro game. i'm hopeful that he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, EternalCanuckFan said: I agree that Jake needs time to develop discipline and structure in his game. Still, I do hope that his instincts aren't undermined. He needs to learn how to apply his instincts into the structured pro game. Absolutely! As I said: 13 hours ago, J.R. said: He needs to learn to WORK at the pro level and THEN use those natural abilities to compliment that work. Not continue to coast and rely on them. Edited February 20, 2017 by J.R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 The part that grinds my gears is the bit about Jake not being in shape, which to me was and is false. He spent almost everyday in the summer working out, unfortunately he was doing the wrong type of work. He was too heavy for his leg strength and lost some speed. Over the course of this season he has shed the muscle mass he did not need and I look forward to him having a good solid ending to this season. If he doesn't make the team in the next 3 years I will be willing to call him a bad pick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Finnish Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Does anyone go to these games and watch first hand? I just want to make sure I am trusting the right opinions in the thread who are seeing first hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Nice Finnish said: Does anyone go to these games and watch first hand? I just want to make sure I am trusting the right opinions in the thread who are seeing first hand. There are a number of posters who frequent these games regularly. Go to the Utica Comets thread and you'll see who they are pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Nice Finnish said: Does anyone go to these games and watch first hand? I just want to make sure I am trusting the right opinions in the thread who are seeing first hand. @hobart16 @UticaHockey @UTICANUCK come to mind Edited February 21, 2017 by Sean Monahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I remember watching a Sedin interview where they were asked how they changed to become successful NHL players. The Sedins first 3 years were disappointing to a point where they thought about staying in Sweden to play; however, the 4th year, they went back to Sweden to train and decided to start playing the game they knew how to play that got them drafted. From that point on, the Sedins excelled and started to play to expectation. They started playing their way. Jake, on the other hand, used his size, speed, skill and physicality to produce at the junior level (when he wanted to). Even at the junior level, he was inconsistent. At the NHL level, those physical attributes, the ones Jake used in junior to produce, are not as dominant because there are more bigger, faster and skilled players. Therefore, Jake needs to learn how to play a pro game in addition to using his physical attributes. This might explain why he is thinking rather than reacting to the play, which puts him a step behind the play. May be Jake needs to rely more on those physical attributes, the ones that got him drafted, and be confident in his abilities in order to play his game. The inconsistency, however, is something he needs to eliminate from his game because it has always been there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 23 hours ago, Warhippy said: Is that lack of engagement due to poor quality linemates or assignment from coaching? That's not a deflection just a genuine question as coaching staff could have directed him He looks engaged when I watch him. He's skating well and buying into Greens system. Thats what I see anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 hour ago, The 5th Line said: I never stated anything about knowing things about him in the off season. You are once again just making things up/blowing them out of proportion in attempt to make me look bad. J.R can you please call off your hounds? It's getting a little ridiculous You spew vitriol At the canucks, management, prospects at every turn and now you're crying about people picking on you? Boo hoo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Alright who broke the other Virtanen thread? I know everyone thinks it's smart to keep JV down for the whole year, and that might very well be the case, but every time I see Megna on the PP I can't help but think why not put a prospect in there that actually has some potential. Megna's 51 minutes of PP time has done absolutely nothing for this franchise and quite honestly you can't screw up Virtanen's development anymore so it might be time to explore calling him up, especially if they move some deadweight at the TDL. If he sucks then we'll know for sure, if he succeeds it gives both him and this fanbase some hope for next year, it also would raise his trade value through out the league if they wanted to package him for a more Benning type player with character. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Any new updates from Travis Green? His opinion is perhaps the most important. The coach who has the job of teaching JV the finer points of the game and perhaps a few words here and there on how to be a professional. Points and stats are just part of the picture. If Green says JV is showing up as the first guy on the ice, the last one to leave to take shots on the backup goalie, constantly at the gym, watching lots of videos and eating/living right.... that's more important than goals/points total. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I guess this is the official Virtanen discussion thread now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Lancaster said: Any new updates from Travis Green? His opinion is perhaps the most important. The coach who has the job of teaching JV the finer points of the game and perhaps a few words here and there on how to be a professional. Points and stats are just part of the picture. If Green says JV is showing up as the first guy on the ice, the last one to leave to take shots on the backup goalie, constantly at the gym, watching lots of videos and eating/living right.... that's more important than goals/points total. Is Green going to say negative stuff? What if JB is trying to trade Jake? It's Jake's character, or lack there of, that was at issue, so JB wouldn't want Green saying anything but good things about Jake's new off ice habits, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Alflives said: Is Green going to say negative stuff? What if JB is trying to trade Jake? It's Jake's character, or lack there of, that was at issue, so JB wouldn't want Green saying anything but good things about Jake's new off ice habits, right? Correct Alf. Watch up when TB starts raving profoundly about Jake... that will be day when he is about to be shopped / moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Stoch Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Not sure why there were two huge threads on the exact same topic open for that long anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 58 minutes ago, Butters Stoch said: Not sure why there were two huge threads on the exact same topic open for that long anyways Usually, once a player hits the big time, their thread in the prospects section dies out, never to be seen again. Since Jake was sent back down, it was revived, and thus we had two threads. For the last few months while Virtanen was in Utica though, the prospects one had a lot more discussion than this one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drive-By Body Pierce Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 13 minutes ago, ajhockey said: Usually, once a player hit's the big time, their thread in the prospects section dies out, never to be seen again. Since Jake was sent back down, it was revived, and thus we had two threads. For the last few months while Virtanen was in Utica though, the prospects one had a lot more discussion than this one. Logic won't get you anywhere on CDC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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