Jiggs50 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) . Edited June 25, 2017 by Jiggs50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 6 hours ago, Ossi Vaananen said: He sort of dwarfs Luke Wilson here: Luke Wilson is like 6'5. That's some random dude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 34 minutes ago, Salmonberries said: They don't call Vancouver 'the fishbowl' for nothing. There's a reason why we're at the bottom of free agent destinations. Throw in the most negative media coverage in the league and,..voila yeah. it's unfortunate that it's like that. blessing and curse, right? in the sense that it's a blessing that it's a hockey mad market and city. a curse in the sense, that sometimes there's no privacy and personal space. i'm amazed that the sedins have been such class act in such a fishbowl city. crazy. #respect jake looks so much different than last year in the summer. he looks fit, and he sounds driven and motivated. if he makes the team this year, i think he scores 10-12 goals, maybe close to 20 points, depending on how Green deploys and uses him. that would be an improvement over his 13 points his first year as a pro. if he becomes a 20 goal, 20-25 assist type player, that's a win in my books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 17 hours ago, Jiggs50 said: Luke Wilson is like 6'5. That's some random dude Looks a lot like Barzal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 On 2017-06-21 at 0:12 PM, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Nope. We have complete free rein on questioning Jake's habits and his commitment to training. Where it crosses the line is when you cite "evidence" that is pure hearsay. Then we start to skate dangerously close to defamation territory, which is not only against board rules, but can potentially get CDC itself into some legal hot water. Best to keep any "a friend told me..." scoops private. Especially the info gotten from imaginary friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldoescobar Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Couple of more years marinating in the AHL and learning to be a pro and hopefully Jake can turn it around as he has started down the right track i think. He is still young so lots of time to develop before he gets labelled a complete bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 On 6/23/2017 at 4:56 PM, Adarsh Sant said: I mean at this point, who would you rather have? Tryamkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 On 6/23/2017 at 4:54 PM, Adarsh Sant said: Petersson>Virtanen With size and speed alone Jake will be an NHL player. Bottom six of course, but still unlikely to be kept off an NHL roster forever. Petersson has a much higher chance of busting out but if he does make it could be a serviceable second liner should he make his potential so completely different types, one is high floor low ceiling and the other is the complete opposite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adarsh Sant Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 1 minute ago, TimberWolf said: With size and speed alone Jake will be an NHL player. Bottom six of course, but still unlikely to be kept off an NHL roster forever. Petersson has a much higher chance of busting out but if he does make it could be a serviceable second liner should he make his potential so completely different types, one is high floor low ceiling and the other is the complete opposite Why do you say he has a high chance of being a bust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, Adarsh Sant said: Why do you say he has a high chance of being a bust? I said higher chance than Jake of being a bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adarsh Sant Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Just now, TimberWolf said: I said higher chance than Jake of being a bust Isn't Jake already kind of a bust? (for 6th overall standards) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 17 minutes ago, Adarsh Sant said: Isn't Jake already kind of a bust? (for 6th overall standards) He'll still make the NHL but he's below his hyped expectations for sure. Petersson may not even get that far. So Jake would be a bust kinda like Sandlak was but petersson would be more like jenson because he would be useless in anything but a top six role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted June 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2017 10 hours ago, Adarsh Sant said: Isn't Jake already kind of a bust? (for 6th overall standards) Before you bury this poor kid, the recently announced invite list of players for the Canuck Development Camp has 13 of those invitees being older than Virtanen. Perhaps that can put his age into perspective. Give him at least another season or two before you bury him - as stated many times, and ignored many times, he can skate so well for such a big guy and seemingly has taken the last year to learn how to be a professional hockey player - something that seems to take longer for power forward types - so while no one has a crystal ball, it is far beyond "no chance" that this kid becomes a legitimate top six NHL player. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saucypass Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Before you bury this poor kid, the recently announced invite list of players for the Canuck Development Camp has 13 of those invitees being older than Virtanen. Perhaps that can put his age into perspective. Give him at least another season or two before you bury him - as stated many times, and ignored many times, he can skate so well for such a big guy and seemingly has taken the last year to learn how to be a professional hockey player - something that seems to take longer for power forward types - so while no one has a crystal ball, it is far beyond "no chance" that this kid becomes a legitimate top six NHL player. I agree with trying to take it a little easier on the kid, and hoping that Jake becomes a good NHL-er, but those 13 invites are older than all of our other drafted prospects. So I'm not really sure what this means. Edited June 28, 2017 by suitup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, suitup said: I agree with trying to take it a little easier on the kid, and hoping that Jake becomes a good NHL-er, but those 13 invites are older than all of our other drafted prospects. So I'm not really sure what this means. It means that Virtanen is still young - still young enough to be a prospect and younger than many raw prospects out of CHL etc. He was young for his draft year (post July) and could still have been playing junior hockey last season based solely upon age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adarsh Sant Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 58 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Before you bury this poor kid, the recently announced invite list of players for the Canuck Development Camp has 13 of those invitees being older than Virtanen. Perhaps that can put his age into perspective. Give him at least another season or two before you bury him - as stated many times, and ignored many times, he can skate so well for such a big guy and seemingly has taken the last year to learn how to be a professional hockey player - something that seems to take longer for power forward types - so while no one has a crystal ball, it is far beyond "no chance" that this kid becomes a legitimate top six NHL player. How many of those 13 were 6th overall or higher picks? I'm not saying Virtanen is a bust and has no chance at the NHL. I'm saying Virtanen is a bust for 6th overall standards. He still has a decent shot at the NHL either way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saucypass Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Rob_Zepp said: It means that Virtanen is still young - still young enough to be a prospect and younger than many raw prospects out of CHL etc. He was young for his draft year (post July) and could still have been playing junior hockey last season based solely upon age. Yep, that's great. But I'm not really sure camp invites are a good metric. Also I'm not sure if your point about playing junior based solely on age makes sense as the cutoff is based solely on age. But I agree he is young for his draft year and he's got a year or two to show us something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted June 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Adarsh Sant said: How many of those 13 were 6th overall or higher picks? I'm not saying Virtanen is a bust and has no chance at the NHL. I'm saying Virtanen is a bust for 6th overall standards. He still has a decent shot at the NHL either way. Good god, let it go. He is NOT A BUST. IF he never plays a consistent top six role in NHL, then he may be a disappointment and, yes, potentially a "bust" from a top 10 draft perspective but until he has had a chance to start shaving and have at least a few NHL seasons under his belt starting from his September (or next), give the kid a friggin' break. MANY top 10 picks do not play until draft year plus 2 to 4 and MANY don't hit their stride until they are 22 or 23 and even later. Yes he didn't come out of the gate, win a Calder and rack up 20 plus goals in his first two seasons post draft. However, declaring a kid a bust at this stage in his development is so unfair. Like other posts on this thread, I was on the fence about this pick and this player but have turned to make him a cause simply as some simply want all players to develop at their fantasy pace. Have you been a professional hockey prospect? Do you know that these kids are not robots and some simply take longer? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Just now, suitup said: Yep, that's great. But I'm not really sure camp invites are a good metric. Also I'm not sure if your point about playing junior based solely on age makes sense as the cutoff is based solely on age. But I agree he is young for his draft year and he's got a year or two to show us something. Thanks for a balanced response. I concur with all you say here. The metric used was a simple reminder as most think of development camp as "kids" and somehow that perspective gets lost with this "kid" given many of the vitriolic posts made (including fabricated personal attacks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saucypass Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Just now, Rob_Zepp said: Thanks for a balanced response. I concur with all you say here. The metric used was a simple reminder as most think of development camp as "kids" and somehow that perspective gets lost with this "kid" given many of the vitriolic posts made (including fabricated personal attacks). That makes more sense, thanks! There are always players who come out of nowhere when things look bleak and surprise you. I hope he is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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