flickyoursedin Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Vey is taking up a roster spot from the kids that deserve it but Benning can't waive him! They gave up a second rounder two years ago. Vey will get a roster spot and McCann will be in juniors because thats the only way you keep them both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Vey is taking up a roster spot from the kids that deserve it but Benning can't waive him! They gave up a second rounder two years ago. Vey will get a roster spot and McCann will be in juniors because thats the only way you keep them both. Then JB is a liar. He said he will make room for kids who earn spots. Vey was a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 It would just be terrible asset management to waive the likes of Vey, Higgins and Hansen. I agree I'd rather have Gaunce and McCann on the team but I don't think Benning does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 That's not a big improvement on last year. Also does that imply he's going to spend 20 or so games injured? I think a few people answered for me on this one, but out of curiosities sake what would you say is a good expectation for him if he goes back to the Greyhounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I think McCann needs to put on a bit more wait before a 82 game season. Giving him his 9 games or part of wouldn't be bad though. Rather have McCann with Dorsett than Vey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austy Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 ^i agree but in terms of wins/losses/points, is it better to just keep vey in the hope he turns into something down the line? mcann is always there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Benning said he will have to make room for kids that show up but the problem with 3-4 kids showing up well is that it's just pre-season and it's tough to trust them to carry that over to regular season. Trading a vet for young talent is good on paper but if they aren't ready then they aren't ready. Which is why there is limited roster spots available. right now with waiver youth ( Vey / Corrado / Baertshi ) we have 7 dmen / 11 forwards, Higgins is injured so we have spots for 3 young players. Gaunce to me is a sure thing so for the last 2 spots it looks to be down to: Kenins / Virtanen / McCann / Grenier / Hutton / Jensen (dark horse) Either way I'd be happy to see at least 2 new prospects make the team with my preferred as it stands McCann and Gaunce ** note not 100% sure on Grenier and Kenins waiver eligibility but I believe they both have to go through waivers *** alright verified and edited my post to make sense *** Kenins and Grenier are all waiver exempt so that gives the Canucks options on 3 roster spots. We could have McCann, Virtanen, Gaunce on the team at start. Give the 2 juniors 5-9 games and then make the decision then to shift a vet or move them back for Kenins / Grenier / Jensen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 As great as he has played, he isn't 4th line material. Prust - Gaunce - Dorsett is one heck of a solid 4th line. Was Bo 4th line material last year? McCann would look great between Prust and Dorsett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Claude Giroux only weighs like 171. McCann could play this year you wuld think. Adding too much muscle wouldnt be wise. Slow gradual gain prob best imo. Yeah, 5'11 and 172 at age 27. And he played two years of junior after his draft before making the Flyers. At some point people have to get off this, "Well, he's young so that must mean he has to gain weight and get stronger, so that's what I'll say so I look like a player development expert" blanket throwaway meme for nearly every prospect. Not everyone is a Horvat or Gaunce, folks. McCann is never going to be a 6'2 210 powerhouse, and that's not a bad thing. McCann has shown he has NHL game, and has minimally earned a regular season look. Let's see what management does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 So far out of all our young forward prospects McCann seems to be most comfortable on NHL ice with the exception of Gaunce. Like Horvat McCann doesn't seem lost or intimidated by the speed or size of the NHL game. It will come down to Virtanen or McCann for the 9 game tryout. Vitanen will probably get the 9 games because he is a winger as there is a logjam at center and there is no way Benning is going to waive Vey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Benning said he will have to make room for kids that show up but the problem with 3-4 kids showing up well is that it's just pre-season and it's tough to trust them to carry that over to regular season. Trading a vet for young talent is good on paper but if they aren't ready then they aren't ready. Which is why there is limited roster spots available. right now with waiver youth ( Vey / Corrado / Baertshi / Grenier / Kenins ) we have 7 dmen / 14 forwards, Higgins is injured so we have spots for 1 young player so to me it depends on how high management is on Grenier / Kenins and if they are worth the spot over a McCann / Gaunce / Virtanen. Either way I'd be happy to see 2 new prospects make the team with my preferred as it stands McCann and Gaunce but I'd rather not lose Grenier / Kenins on waivers so i'm not sure how that will work out Basically agree with what you're saying here but as I recall (perhaps wrongly), both Grenier and Kenins can be sent down without waivers (that would not be true of Kenins later in the season with more NHL games under his belt). So there is actually some room to play around with. Normally I get sick of people saying that rookies "should get their 9 games" as if there were no waiver issues in doing that, but this year it would be possible for both McCann and Virtanen. Whatever the outcome, I hope it happens because they have shown enough to justify it as of now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chambo Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Trade Vey for what we can get for him and admit it was a mistake...I wouldn't be too worried if we didn't get much back which we wouldn't because it opens a spot for McCann. Get McCann his 9 games and evaluate after that in regards to Vey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Trade Vey for what we can get for him and admit it was a mistake...I wouldn't be too worried if we didn't get much back which we wouldn't because it opens a spot for McCann. Get McCann his 9 games and evaluate after that in regards to Vey. Pretty sure this is exactly what will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 McCann certainly has NHL speed, and those of us who thought that Gaunce wasn't an NHL skater have been proved wrong. These two forwards are ready and hopefully they get to stick around into the first part of the season. Hutton looks like he's ready, but it's pretty hard to judge d-men in exhibition games. Tanev for example has looked pretty mediocre, but I'm positive by the start of the season he'll be our best d-man. Lots of interesting moves to be made before this roster is set. But, this is what we've all wanted, tough decisions. If Vey can't win faceoffs, which I think McCann made it look pretty easy, then I think that's what it will come down to. Even Jensen looked more determined on the ice Saturday night, but he's hardly been mentioned or singled out after the games this pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Basically agree with what you're saying here but as I recall (perhaps wrongly), both Grenier and Kenins can be sent down without waivers (that would not be true of Kenins later in the season with more NHL games under his belt). So there is actually some room to play around with. Normally I get sick of people saying that rookies "should get their 9 games" as if there were no waiver issues in doing that, but this year it would be possible for both McCann and Virtanen. Whatever the outcome, I hope it happens because they have shown enough to justify it as of now. Yeah i'm not sure.... lol I tried to do my research on the matter but it's fairly convoluted. An article I read said he was waiver eligible but yeah i could be wrong and stand to be corrected. ( I'll edit my post to have a note on those 2 players ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Either if he makes it or gets send down McCann is looking like a helluva pick and a lot better than that fatty the Ducks got with the 10th pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Either if he makes it or gets send down McCann is looking like a helluva pick and a lot better than that fatty the Ducks got with the 10th pick.have you watched fatty play? Looks solid to me. Stats show too with two primary assists in 3 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Trade Vey for what we can get for him and admit it was a mistake...I wouldn't be too worried if we didn't get much back which we wouldn't because it opens a spot for McCann. Get McCann his 9 games and evaluate after that in regards to Vey. Vey isn't going anywhere. As I've said all along he's an excellent 13th forward/sometimes 4C, sometimes 4RW that we're going to need for right wing depth when we move Vrbata at the deadline. IMO with Higgins out, it's entirely possible Vey, Gaunce, McCann and Virtanen are all on the the team to start with. Two of which will be in the press box at any given time (possibly along with Prust). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Vey isn't going anywhere. As I've said all along he's an excellent 13th forward/sometimes 4C, sometimes 4RW that we're going to need for right wing depth when we move Vrbata at the deadline. IMO with Higgins out, it's entirely possible Vey, Gaunce, McCann and Virtanen are all on the the team to start with. Two of which will be in the press box at any given time (possibly along with Prust). It's starting to look that way and actually, it's a great thing for the future of the club if that's how it pans out. If Virtanen and/or McCann are clearly better than the competition after 9 games, then the future is that much closer. If not, they've been close, had a taste, and will know in their bodies what they need to do to stick next time. I'm thinking Gaunce has already passed Kenins on the depth chart, and is making the club straight up. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkpoet Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Vey isn't going anywhere. As I've said all along he's an excellent 13th forward/sometimes 4C, sometimes ... in the AHL. What I don't get is he looks like 2 completely different players. There are plenty of highlight videos on youtube where he's playing for the Monarchs with Toffoli and Pearson and he looks like a really smart, cagey, shifty player. I get that some guys just "can't make the jump" to the NHL, but it's not THAT much of a difference. Megets the feeling that he's just one of those guys where if his confidence dips, he tanks... and possibly playing with 2 really really good players on a great team in Manchester - he never really had to deal with much adversity. (and as a scoring star in Junior life came easy there as well) McCann has looked leaps and bounds better than him. How many times do we all have to repeat it: Bennin said he'd make room if guys were outplayed. I don't care if he's "only 6' and 185lbs" and people think he needs to get "bigger" Johnny Gaudreau is 5'9" and 150 lbs and had 64 points for the Flames last year, making guys look stupid doing it too. Size schmize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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