Alflives Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 52 minutes ago, Harvey Spector said: Actually that's a really good idea. Markstrom hasn't even entered his prime yet. I'm sure Demko is thinking he may be a backup for a few years ala Schneider. If we trade Markstrom in the summer and extend Miller for 2 years then Demko will have a clear path to the number one job in 2-3 years. Also remember Markstrom is a UFA next year. If he has a great year next year then a team like Edmonton could offer him $4-$5 million. We'd be scrambling to keep him so we'd have to pony up. If we do that then where does Demko fit in? I actually don't see a scenario where we keep Markstrom and sign him long term and then have Demko as his backup. Trading Markstrom and resigning Miller for a year or two and have Demko as his backup for 2 years makes much more sense. We we could get a very good asset for Markstrom in the summer. A roster player for sure. JB clearly can't say that to Demko, so maybe we need to trade Markstrom sooner rather than later? The closer Demko gets to UFA status the less reason he has to not go all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greetingsfrombrazil Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 59 minutes ago, Harvey Spector said: Actually that's a really good idea. Markstrom hasn't even entered his prime yet. I'm sure Demko is thinking he may be a backup for a few years ala Schneider. If we trade Markstrom in the summer and extend Miller for 2 years then Demko will have a clear path to the number one job in 2-3 years. Also remember Markstrom is a UFA next year. If he has a great year next year then a team like Edmonton could offer him $4-$5 million. We'd be scrambling to keep him so we'd have to pony up. If we do that then where does Demko fit in? I actually don't see a scenario where we keep Markstrom and sign him long term and then have Demko as his backup. Trading Markstrom and resigning Miller for a year or two and have Demko as his backup for 2 years makes much more sense. We we could get a very good asset for Markstrom in the summer. A roster player for sure. Trading Markstrom is by far the riskiest movement the Canucks could make. Miller is 35, soon to be 36. If we trade Markstrom and put all the pressure on Demko and he doesn't reach his potential, then what? Markstrom has proved he can be a starter next season, having too many good goalies is never a bad option. Management just handled the Luongo - Schneider situation very poorly by the time, hope that won't happen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nergish Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Harvey Spector said: Actually that's a really good idea. Markstrom hasn't even entered his prime yet. I'm sure Demko is thinking he may be a backup for a few years ala Schneider. If we trade Markstrom in the summer and extend Miller for 2 years then Demko will have a clear path to the number one job in 2-3 years. Also remember Markstrom is a UFA next year. If he has a great year next year then a team like Edmonton could offer him $4-$5 million. We'd be scrambling to keep him so we'd have to pony up. If we do that then where does Demko fit in? I actually don't see a scenario where we keep Markstrom and sign him long term and then have Demko as his backup. Trading Markstrom and resigning Miller for a year or two and have Demko as his backup for 2 years makes much more sense. We we could get a very good asset for Markstrom in the summer. A roster player for sure. I just don't see it. Markstrom was never in our plans to be a starter for any real length... and why would he be? He was a reclamation project. Demko is not looking at Marky as somebody that's going to keep him from holding the crease in Vancouver. If anything he should be the perfect guy to transition to a younger, more able prospect. But again, Marky has a real wildcard factor in that he was once where Demko was (considered one of the best goaltending prospects in the world) and is just freaking massive. I think he'll be in the NHL for the rest of his career at this point, I'm just not sure he'll be a starter. Would love to be proven wrong though. What if Markstrom is actually the better of the two goalies between he and Demko? He may just be. Demko is really just the shiny new toy right now. Though my goaltending instincts do tell me that Thatch is the real deal and will spend his entire career on whatever team he ends up playing for (and I hope to god it's Vancouver). He's the first goaltending prospect I've seen in years that strikes me as a Marty Brodeur type. I hope we are just overthinking this. Losing Thatcher would be devastating for this franchise. In fact, I almost want to reach out to the kid (I follow him on instagram)... would that be weird? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nergish Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 2 hours ago, Canucks Curse said: if Edmonton gets 1st OA - offer them demo, Tanev, sbisa, McCann - thats a future franchise goalie, a top 2 dman and a top prospect, and an NHL d man who is better than most of their d men. That solves a lot of their problems. Edmonton would probably want the 1st round pick we get - that depends where we draft, if its 2nd - no way, if its 6th - I would do it, but get an asset back from Edmonton. dude what? I'm not even trying to be a homer, but I would honestly trade Auston Matthews for Demko + Tanev + Sbisa + McCann without the 1st coming back. You are underrating the hell out of Chris Tanev... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lui's Knob Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 McCann today didn't shed much in his comment but you sense from him he's going back to college .... 2 college guys don't want to go pro with Vancouver (yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 anytime a girl says "I need to think about it" has it ever ended well? lol Benning you played your cards, and its obvious Demko is searching a new team. shouldn't take a kid this long to decide, wtf is he worried about? He could of atleast told Benning, hey I will stay with you guys just let me think about my Education, nope, this pretty much tells me. A NHL gm comes to you and offers you a contract and you say what? If Demko had the passion to play for the Canucks' he would be on that offer in no time, don't see demko signing here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobi Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 1 minute ago, desiboynux4lifee******* said: anytime a girl says "I need to think about it" has it ever ended well? lol Benning you played your cards, and its obvious Demko is searching a new team. shouldn't take a kid this long to decide, wtf is he worried about? He could of atleast told Benning, hey I will stay with you guys just let me think about my Education, nope, this pretty much tells me. A NHL gm comes to you and offers you a contract and you say what? If Demko had the passion to play for the Canucks' he would be on that offer in no time, don't see demko signing here. Sadly, I have to agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 So are people concerned that Demko won't sign with the Canucks? Is he going to play out his final year at College then hope another NHL team signs him when the Canucks lose his rights? What does Demko really need to think over? College hockey or turn pro should be an easy decision for him if he was fully committed to signing with the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 13 minutes ago, Shaft said: So are people concerned that Demko won't sign with the Canucks? Is he going to play out his final year at College then hope another NHL team signs him when the Canucks lose his rights? What does Demko really need to think over? College hockey or turn pro should be an easy decision for him if he was fully committed to signing with the Canucks. idk bout you but if i were to bust in the nhl i'd sure as fk want something to do after hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 31 minutes ago, desiboynux4lifee******* said: anytime a girl says "I need to think about it" has it ever ended well? lol Benning you played your cards, and its obvious Demko is searching a new team. shouldn't take a kid this long to decide, wtf is he worried about? He could of atleast told Benning, hey I will stay with you guys just let me think about my Education, nope, this pretty much tells me. A NHL gm comes to you and offers you a contract and you say what? If Demko had the passion to play for the Canucks' he would be on that offer in no time, don't see demko signing here. agree, trade him to edmonton along with mccain and Hansen for their first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great 8 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 What Desi said actually makes the most sense. We saw how Justin Schultz acted when he took off to Edmonton costing Anaheim I believe their first round pick. I really want him to come out and say he wants to finish his degree and will sign after that. Either that or maybe a more detailed response which indicates his desire to leave or play in Vancouver. Either way it's a waiting game until something more concrete comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 2 hours ago, Alflives said: JB clearly can't say that to Demko, so maybe we need to trade Markstrom sooner rather than later? The closer Demko gets to UFA status the less reason he has to not go all the way. Yes I agree. Probably the best time to trade him would be at the draft. Who knows. Maybe we can get a high first round pick for him. JB can just tell Demko what may occur and have him sign his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 1 hour ago, greetingsfrombrazil said: Trading Markstrom is by far the riskiest movement the Canucks could make. Miller is 35, soon to be 36. If we trade Markstrom and put all the pressure on Demko and he doesn't reach his potential, then what? Markstrom has proved he can be a starter next season, having too many good goalies is never a bad option. Management just handled the Luongo - Schneider situation very poorly by the time, hope that won't happen again. Yes it is risky. But you know what is riskier? Take a look at this potential scenario: Miller - UFA 2017 Markstrom - UFA 2017 Demko - UFA August 2017 Would you rather have that scenario? Yes it could happen. Demko can go back to BC for his senior year and then he's pretty much toast. Miller can play out his final year and then go back to being a UFA again and sign for a team in California or close by. And Markstrom can refuse to sign an extension this summer because he wants to play out his final year and up his value for next summer's UFA market. So in that scenario JB is screwed. He'll have to massively overpay Markstrom this summer in order for him not to play out his final year. Also Luongo/Schneider was much different because Bobby Lou was already signed to a long term deal. So Gillis had a safety net. JB doesn't have a safety net. He has all three of his goalies who can potentially all be UFA's next year. That's pretty scary. That's the absolute worst case scenario. JB has to get Markstrom signed to a long term deal this summer or else trade him and get Demko signed to a pro contract. One of the two has to happen. I don't see a scenario where both happen though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 1 hour ago, desiboynux4lifee******* said: anytime a girl says "I need to think about it" has it ever ended well? lol Benning you played your cards, and its obvious Demko is searching a new team. shouldn't take a kid this long to decide, wtf is he worried about? He could of atleast told Benning, hey I will stay with you guys just let me think about my Education, nope, this pretty much tells me. A NHL gm comes to you and offers you a contract and you say what? If Demko had the passion to play for the Canucks' he would be on that offer in no time, don't see demko signing here. Oh my lord!! This is the first time I actually agree with Desi!! Desi I take back everything bad I said about you!! Yes, when a girl says I have to think about it, it is definitely BAD news. I know this only too well... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: agree, trade him (Demko) to edmonton along with mccain and Hansen for their first Hell no. Edited April 12, 2016 by Odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 7 minutes ago, Harvey Spector said: Oh my lord!! This is the first time I actually agree with Desi!! Desi I take back everything bad I said about you!! Yes, when a girl says I have to think about it, it is definitely BAD news. I know this only too well... You agree with desi and Alf... Don't you think it's time to rethink your position the matter? If that's not a tell tale sign in don't know what is. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Gooseberries said: You agree with desi and Alf... Don't you think it's time to rethink your position the matter? If that's not a tell tale sign in don't know what is. So what's the solution then? Do you have one? I just explained a scenario where everyone of our goalies is a UFA next summer. How would you solve that problem exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 73 Percent Posted April 12, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Harvey Spector said: So what's the solution then? Do you have one? I just explained a scenario where everyone of our goalies is a UFA next summer. How would you solve that problem exactly? Well first you wait until demko makes a decision before going full desi or Alf on us. Second you remember that we have until 31 days after Demko leaves college to sign him. Just because he opts for another year of college (if he does) doesn't necessarily mean he will never sign with us. Part of being a fan is knowing that you are kept in the dark and trusting your gm. Benning has a plan. He doesn't necessarily have to share it with you. You get to decide how you act on cdc. Do you want to be a desi/Alf or do you want to be a forsberg the great/JR/Huttons Wink? Right now you're being a desi. Edited April 12, 2016 by Gooseberries 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, Gooseberries said: Well first you wait until demko makes a decision before going full desi or Alf on us. Second you remember that we have until 31 days after Demko leaves college to sign him. Just because he opts for another year of college (if he does) doesn't necessarily mean he will never sign with us. Part of being a fan is knowing that you are kept in the dark and trusting your gm. Benning has a plan. He doesn't necessarily have to share it with you. You get to decide how you act on cdc. Do you want to be a desi/Alf or do you want to be a forsberg the great/JR/Huttons Wink? Right now you're being a desi. I'll be Harvey Spector on these boards thanks. I understand the rules of college. But if you think Demko will sign here after he plays out his senior season and has a chance to go anywhere he wants then I think that is a big mistake and a big gamble. If we wait until next year then Markstrom and Miller might already be UFA's. JB has to figure this all out this summer. He can't wait for Demko next year in my opinion. I'm sure Benning has a plan. We haven't heard Demko's decision yet. Obviously my scenario only plays out if he decides to go back to BC. If he ends up signing next week then we have no worries. So I guess we can wait for his decision then. Because that decision may have a domino effect on the other goaltending decisions JB has to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 "I don't wanna give anything away" McCann. Sounds like he has an idea what Demko is leaning towards. Not sure how anyone can say that's good or bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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