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Just now, Maniwaki Canuck said:

Agreed, and probably top 4

Seriously, considering what we have seen of him so far, and combining that with his obvious physical stature and almost superhuman strength, what is Tryamkin's ceiling?  

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5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Seriously, considering what we have seen of him so far, and combining that with his obvious physical stature and almost superhuman strength, what is Tryamkin's ceiling?  

I'm thinking a scary #2, a guy who can play most facets of the game well but excel at crease-clearing and physically punishing the opposition.  The fact that he can play both sides also allows for different complementary pairings, e.g. put him with a smaller PMD or another monster to make a nasty shut-down unit.  Besides his obvious strengths, he gives us a lot of versatility and is going to help us fix the horrible incompatibility problems that have made our D less than the sum of its parts in recent years. 

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1 hour ago, elvis15 said:

Pretty much, I don't see enough of an offensive ability to ever get him to a true #1.

At this point that would be my doubt too, although his shot is legit.  All depends on how much he can learn though, because the basic tools are there. 

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19 minutes ago, Maniwaki Canuck said:

At this point that would be my doubt too, although his shot is legit.  All depends on how much he can learn though, because the basic tools are there. 

Yeah, and as much as they're over-stated, I understand the Chara comparisons. If Tramline continues an upward trajectory and gains more athleticism with a refined understanding of strategy, he could be a force in both ends.

 

It really depends on how smart the dude is - I haven't really seen enough evidence either way to suggest he is or isn't, but I'm holding out hope. 

 

Reasonably, though, I think we can expect a tough, physical crease clearer with the ability to chip in 20 points a season for the next few years. He might elevate his game above that, but there's too many contingencies in place to say.

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1 hour ago, elvis15 said:

Pretty much, I don't see enough of an offensive ability to ever get him to a true #1.

He played all of 13 games in a new league in a different country in a different part of the world on a team that was one of the worst this franchise has ever seen. How can you tell that he doesn't have the offensive ability to be a #1? I'm not saying he will be, and I'm not expecting him to be a #1 but sky's the limit with this kid. As long as he is reliable defensively he is a monster and you can bet he will get 20+ mins a night due to his shutdown ability. From the highlights he looks like he has some decent offensive upside with a booming shot, so I'm not ruling out #1 so quick. I'm just excited to watch him play, no expectations no limitations.

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32 minutes ago, meh_wassup said:

He played all of 13 games in a new league in a different country in a different part of the world on a team that was one of the worst this franchise has ever seen. How can you tell that he doesn't have the offensive ability to be a #1? I'm not saying he will be, and I'm not expecting him to be a #1 but sky's the limit with this kid. As long as he is reliable defensively he is a monster and you can bet he will get 20+ mins a night due to his shutdown ability. From the highlights he looks like he has some decent offensive upside with a booming shot, so I'm not ruling out #1 so quick. I'm just excited to watch him play, no expectations no limitations.

He's played in more games than just those 13, you know. I'm not saying he'll have no offence, just that I think he won't have so much that it'd put him in the same category as Karlsson, Doughty, Subban, etc. Anything could happen, but there's a long way from that to a likely ceiling for Tryamkin.

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5 hours ago, elvis15 said:

Pretty much, I don't see enough of an offensive ability to ever get him to a true #1.

The fact that people are identifying his potential ceiling as a top pairing D-man is such a bonus for the team. The real test for #88 will be, can he slow the game down and get his decision making ability to the level of a top pairing guy. His skating is great, his physicality is great, his range at defending is great, his shot is hard and accurate but he needs to shoot more.

 

His passing will need to improve. It's the one thing that will elevate his game once he gets used to the speed of the NHL. He made lots of excellent plays last year in clearing the zone, but there were lots of times when simply whacking the puck out of the zone wasn't the best play. I can understand not wanting to get caught in his own zone, but there were lots of times where the puck hit his stick and there was no thought of making a play, just making the quick play to get it out of the zone. If and hopefully when the game slows down for him to make that quick outlet pass, he has that top pairing potential.

 

I watched enough Avto games last year to see his potential as a powerplay specialist as well. Not from the point but in front of the net. He simply can't be moved when he decides to camp out in the crease. His ceiling is Byfuglien if you ask me and that's as close to a #1 as you can get.

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6 hours ago, elvis15 said:

Pretty much, I don't see enough of an offensive ability to ever get him to a true #1.

He hasn't been given that much of an opportunity yet from they coach..who prefers guys like Weber or Bart over blue chip defenders like Try or Hutty.

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4 hours ago, elvis15 said:

He's played in more games than just those 13, you know. I'm not saying he'll have no offence, just that I think he won't have so much that it'd put him in the same category as Karlsson, Doughty, Subban, etc. Anything could happen, but there's a long way from that to a likely ceiling for Tryamkin.

Sure but to be a #1 you don't need to be as big of an offensive juggernaut as those guys. Weber, Suter, Chara etc. are all #1 dmen (or were in the case of Chara) but none of them have that offensive output. I think your definition of what a true #1 looks like is limited. Also, what do you mean he played more than just those 13? Those are the 13 that "count" and I say that very loosely because they don't count for much other than to give the Tryamkin (and the fans) a taste of what is yet to come. 

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2 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:

He hasn't been given that much of an opportunity yet from they coach..who prefers guys like Weber or Bart over blue chip defenders like Try or Hutty.

From this coach he's actually had some opportunity, mostly 5v5, but he's played pro games ... you know what, I'll answer below.

 

1 hour ago, meh_wassup said:

Sure but to be a #1 you don't need to be as big of an offensive juggernaut as those guys. Weber, Suter, Chara etc. are all #1 dmen (or were in the case of Chara) but none of them have that offensive output. I think your definition of what a true #1 looks like is limited. Also, what do you mean he played more than just those 13? Those are the 13 that "count" and I say that very loosely because they don't count for much other than to give the Tryamkin (and the fans) a taste of what is yet to come. 

I don't know about you, but those defencemen you mentioned have had pretty consistent point totals of at least high 30's (if not 40's to 50's). They might not be Karlsson getting 60/70/80+ points, but that is still fairly high end offence. Even Edler for us as a #1 (and that's taking into account he's a #1 by default since we don't really have another big minute D man who can contribute offensively enough to be called a #1) has put up 30+ a year to even 40 points in his best years. I don't see that being a consistent production level that Tryamkin will reach.

 

Oh, and the 13 games. He's played more than a few pro games in another league called the KHL. Not sure if you're familiar with it, or his level of production in it. If you aren't, then as an example you may want to look at the production of a player who should be joining us next year who's played in the NHL previously and has the KHL comparison as well. And before you say it, no, not every player is the same and Larsen's offensive output isn't a direct predictor to Tryamkin's future, but it's very reasonable to suggest Tryamkin won't ever light the NHL on fire with his offence to be considered a #1 defenceman.

 

It does appear Tryamkin will be fairly dominant defensively (which is great for a defenceman!) but someone like Hutton is more likely to be classified as a #1 for us in a similar way to Edler because of his offence even if he doesn't do as much defensively. There are a number of great shut down guys in the league, but they aren't considered #1's by pretty much any definition without providing a certain level of offence.

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10 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:

He hasn't been given that much of an opportunity yet from they coach..who prefers guys like Weber or Bart over blue chip defenders like Try or Hutty.

C'mon man, that's totally misrepresenting reality.

 

The coach played Hutton on the top pairing at parts of the year. Tryamkin was getting top-4 once time soon after he arrived. That shows definite preference of rookies in those situations, which were often enough to be considered taxing heavily their abilities. It showed them what it takes, and what they need.

 

Start thinking.

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14 hours ago, elvis15 said:

He's played in more games than just those 13, you know. I'm not saying he'll have no offence, just that I think he won't have so much that it'd put him in the same category as Karlsson, Doughty, Subban, etc. Anything could happen, but there's a long way from that to a likely ceiling for Tryamkin.

To early to tell Elvis. Easy to overstate where he will top out but I want to watch until X-Mass next year. Vancouver is so undersized that if he ends up being a stay at home d-man I will be very happy. If he can claw up into the top 4 it is a absolute home run and will give Benning options in moving a vet d-man at the TDL.

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19 minutes ago, NameFaker said:

C'mon man, that's totally misrepresenting reality.

 

The coach played Hutton on the top pairing at parts of the year. Tryamkin was getting top-4 once time soon after he arrived. That shows definite preference of rookies in those situations, which were often enough to be considered taxing heavily their abilities. It showed them what it takes, and what they need.

 

Start thinking.

But wouldn't it have been nice to see a few games with Tryamkin's slap shot on the power play?

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24 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

To early to tell Elvis. Easy to overstate where he will top out but I want to watch until X-Mass next year. Vancouver is so undersized that if he ends up being a stay at home d-man I will be very happy. If he can claw up into the top 4 it is a absolute home run and will give Benning options in moving a vet d-man at the TDL.

Sure, it's too early to state anything as a matter of fact. But I'm with Elvis, if I'm gazing in to my crystal ball, I see anything from a #2-#4 D ceiling depending on how he develops/adjusts.

 

I'll be more than happy to be wrong and have him emerge as a #1 though! I just see it as not especially likely and there's nothing AT ALL wrong with him being a quality #2-#4 D. That's found money.

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15 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:

But wouldn't it have been nice to see a few games with Tryamkin's slap shot on the power play?

Yeah, but we don't have the information available to the coaching staff. I think that we've all forgotten why Willie was hired in the first place. He's good with people. He got a masters in social work. Dude is completely suited to coaching the best out of players, but he knows their limits. He understands when they've stretched too far, and pushes them to excel within their limits. 

 

It's exactly like Vancouver, too, everyone coaching themselves to be the best they can be. But none of us are really athletes. Runners, maybe.

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