Nikita Tryamkin | D

[Bandwagon38]

40 minutes ago, ThrustyPrusty89 said:

Wasn't it generally agreed upon he just skated off 'cause of nerves? 

Do we actually care?  He played some excellent minutes in every game after that.  Including pk time.  He did just come over after a full season plus playoffs.  I think he could very well make some third and fourth liners cry this year.  Skate around Sbiza just to run into a tree!!!  Can't wait

Edited September 20, 2016 by Bandwagon38

[TheOgRook]

9 hours ago, Alflives said:

That's not what the explanation from Tryamkin was.  He said the coach asked why he came off, and Tryamkin said the shift was long enough.  I like the big guy, but he definitely needs to be lighter, leaner, and fitter.  If he gets himself into fabulous condition, he could dominate.  

You need to just stop, that's a complete false statement.  Your schtick is getting old.  He actually said he thought he heard somebody in the bench call for a change!  

 

13000 posts in a year and not a one useful. 

[Hairy Kneel]

It only took him 3 seconds to knock these two guys on their asses.

Edited September 20, 2016 by Hairy Kneel

[ForsbergTheGreat]

14 hours ago, Hugor Hill said:

Benning said he wants to pack 8 guys on D to start the year.

 

That means one of Biega, Pedan and Larsen (or Stecher) stays.

 

 

I don't see Larsen or Pedan being risked with waiver to start the year off, not when other players don't have to clear waivers to be sent down.  These are two players Benning went out and paid a price to acquire. Biega is the most likely to clear so he will be the one who's sent down.

 

I was shocked when JB sent down Vey last year but it was a different circumstance considering McCann and Virtanen couldn't go to Utica. It was either NHL or back to Junior for a full year.

 

I fully expect the 8 D to be:

Edler Tanev

Hutton Guddy

Sbisa Larsen

Tryamkin Pedan

 

Biega will be waived,  Stecher will start in the AHL, and things will likely get re-evaluated around Christmas time.  That gives Pedan and Larsen 3 months to prove themselves, (compared to a 3 week training camp).  It doesn't make sense to make a rash move when you have other options that don't require us to lose assets.  Especially considering the spot they are competing for is a depth depth defense man.  Stecher and Beiga will compete for first call up, in Utica. 

[kloubek]

I think one year in Utica would do Stecher some good.  We simply don't need him right now, with all the competition going on for the lower pairing roles.  I think he's going to be a solid player for us, but no need to rush it.  Same with Juolevi and Subban.

I believe if Tryamkin is as improved as Bang Bang Boogie indicates, then it would be a huge mistake to leave him out of the lineup.  He needs to earn the spot, of course, but keeping him out of the lineup both makes our blueline far smaller, as well as exposes the risk of losing him to his out clause, as he already indicated he doesn't want to play in Utica. 

 

To me, the big question mark is whether Larsen can make an impact with our club.  If he can, then the same thing I said when we acquired him remains: Who is the odd man out?  My belief then and my belief now is that player is Sbisa.  And unless we want Sbisa's 3.6m/yr sitting in the press box, it makes sense to find a trading partner for him.

[Boudrias]

1 hour ago, kloubek said:

I think one year in Utica would do Stecher some good.  We simply don't need him right now, with all the competition going on for the lower pairing roles.  I think he's going to be a solid player for us, but no need to rush it.  Same with Juolevi and Subban.

I believe if Tryamkin is as improved as Bang Bang Boogie indicates, then it would be a huge mistake to leave him out of the lineup.  He needs to earn the spot, of course, but keeping him out of the lineup both makes our blueline far smaller, as well as exposes the risk of losing him to his out clause, as he already indicated he doesn't want to play in Utica. 

 

To me, the big question mark is whether Larsen can make an impact with our club.  If he can, then the same thing I said when we acquired him remains: Who is the odd man out?  My belief then and my belief now is that player is Sbisa.  And unless we want Sbisa's 3.6m/yr sitting in the press box, it makes sense to find a trading partner for him.

IMHO the decision to move Sbisa or not rides on the first 25 -30 games of the season. Two of Tryamkin, Larsson or Pedan have to be standouts to make Sbisa moveable. Even then it depends on what Sbisa brings back. More likely such a moves come at the TDL.

Subban, Joulevi and Stecher are the top Canuck d-men prospects. Brisbois can move the puck as well but his size suggests as more physical game. Benning suggested the same.   

 

Just as Van begins to beef up their d-core the NHL trend seems to be favoring puck moving d-men above physicality. If the league wants to minimize concussions they could come down on d-zone hits a lot harder. From asset protection perspective ownerships should be in favor. Ekblad had a concussion last year and now has another. He would be a devastating loss to the Panthers if his career was cut short.

[73 Percent]

4 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

IMHO the decision to move Sbisa or not rides on the first 25 -30 games of the season. Two of Tryamkin, Larsson or Pedan have to be standouts to make Sbisa moveable. Even then it depends on what Sbisa brings back. More likely such a moves come at the TDL.

Subban, Joulevi and Stecher are the top Canuck d-men prospects. Brisbois can move the puck as well but his size suggests as more physical game. Benning suggested the same.   

 

Just as Van begins to beef up their d-core the NHL trend seems to be favoring puck moving d-men above physicality. If the league wants to minimize concussions they could come down on d-zone hits a lot harder. From asset protection perspective ownerships should be in favor. Ekblad had a concussion last year and now has another. He would be a devastating loss to the Panthers if his career was cut short.

Wow. Solid post. +1

[Hairy Kneel]

Speaking of protecting injuries, I think teams playing with 5 defenseman (after a Dman leaves hurt) is not a good thing. Especially early on in a game. It makes for overtired defensemen and then they are also prone or vulnerable to injury.

[the harry]

1 hour ago, Hairy Kneel said:

Speaking of protecting injuries, I think teams playing with 5 defenseman (after a Dman leaves hurt) is not a good thing. Especially early on in a game. It makes for overtired defensemen and then they are also prone or vulnerable to injury.

It's great that they plan to to take 8 dmen on the 23 man roster. After last year, when some played by, let's be honest, played by default, this year there will be some healthy competition.

Edited September 20, 2016 by the harry

[ForsbergTheGreat]

4 hours ago, kloubek said:

I think one year in Utica would do Stecher some good.  We simply don't need him right now, with all the competition going on for the lower pairing roles.  I think he's going to be a solid player for us, but no need to rush it.  Same with Juolevi and Subban.

I believe if Tryamkin is as improved as Bang Bang Boogie indicates, then it would be a huge mistake to leave him out of the lineup.  He needs to earn the spot, of course, but keeping him out of the lineup both makes our blueline far smaller, as well as exposes the risk of losing him to his out clause, as he already indicated he doesn't want to play in Utica. 

 

To me, the big question mark is whether Larsen can make an impact with our club.  If he can, then the same thing I said when we acquired him remains: Who is the odd man out?  My belief then and my belief now is that player is Sbisa.  And unless we want Sbisa's 3.6m/yr sitting in the press box, it makes sense to find a trading partner for him.

I don't know if it is Sbisa, it could very well be edler.  I think a few things really come into play.  One no trade will happen early in the season with all the question marks around our players, We need to see what kind of players we have. 

 

Two, it depends on where the team is at in the standing when we feel were ready to make a play,  if were sitting way out of playoff contention vs right in the mix of making playoffs.

 

Three it depends on the kids really take a step forward and show they belong, they can handle the consistent minutes, and maintain that play over long period of time,   Could Hutton and Tryamkin be counted on to play consistent top 4 minutes. 

 

 

 

[aGENT]

11 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Could Hutton and Tryamkin be counted on to play consistent top 4 minutes. 

If we did move Edler, I don't think that would even be necessary for Try.

 

Hutton, Gudbranson

Sbisa, Tanev

Tryamkin, Larsen

 

Pedan, Biega

 

That said, I don't see us moving Edler unless we're out of the playoff picture at the TDL AND Larsen has fit right in in his 6th D/PP specialist role AND Tryamkin looks like a solid #4/5 regular with promise to be more.

 

That's a lot of ifs...

[ForsbergTheGreat]

8 minutes ago, J.R. said:

If we did move Edler, I don't think that would even be necessary for Try.

 

Hutton, Gudbranson

Sbisa, Tanev

Tryamkin, Larsen

 

Pedan, Biega

 

That said, I don't see us moving Edler unless we're out of the playoff picture at the TDL AND Larsen has fit right in in his 6th D/PP specialist role AND Tryamkin looks like a solid #4/5 regular with promise to be more.

 

That's a lot of ifs...

 

I agree with that.  Lots of what ifs.  Edler's got 3 years left on his contract.  It might not be this year but this TD moving forward the possibility of moving Elder becomes more and more realistic. 

[aGENT]

12 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

I agree with that.  Lots of what ifs.  Edler's got 3 years left on his contract.  It might not be this year but this TD moving forward the possibility of moving Elder becomes more and more realistic. 

Most likely. Still ~1-2 years from now could see us with a STACKED core of D for one last run with the twins as well. Still gives them time to move him in his last year as well.

 

Hutton, Gudbranson,

Tryamkin, Tanev

Edler, Stetcher

 

Juolevi, Pedan, Brisebois, etc, etc

 

I could see Benning being game for that.

Edited September 20, 2016 by J.R.

[Maniwaki Canuck]

There's definitely a lot of things to sort out before we can talk realistically about trades.  It's not just a question of whether Tryamkin and Larsen are ready for regular bottom pairing duty.  It's also about whether Hutton-Gudbranson is an effective pairing, and whether JB's now explicitly-announced general strategy of putting big physical guys together with more mobile puck-movers really delivers the goods for us.  Judging by the players he's accumulated, he seems to be planning our whole defense on this pattern.  If it works, it wouldn't be surprising to see him selling high on Edler and Tanev. 

[TheOgRook]

1 hour ago, J.R. said:

If we did move Edler, I don't think that would even be necessary for Try.

 

Hutton, Gudbranson

Sbisa, Tanev

Tryamkin, Larsen

 

Pedan, Biega

 

That said, I don't see us moving Edler unless we're out of the playoff picture at the TDL AND Larsen has fit right in in his 6th D/PP specialist role AND Tryamkin looks like a solid #4/5 regular with promise to be more.

 

That's a lot of ifs...

Agreed.. 

 

Just found the bolded part funny as it sounds like broken English, say it with a Russian accent 

[Western Red]

Soo, we should all know that he doesn't like being called 'Tree'

 

I wonder what some other nicknames will be or what his teammates call him?

 

I have the biggest man crush on the big guy. He's a big deal!!!! Hope some people buy his jerseys and give him signs of support.

[Cramarossa]

46 minutes ago, Western Red said:

Soo, we should all know that he doesn't like being called 'Tree'

 

I wonder what some other nicknames will be or what his teammates call him?

 

I have the biggest man crush on the big guy. He's a big deal!!!! Hope some people buy his jerseys and give him signs of support.

@Where'd Luongo? and I have been calling him Groot. 

 

If he sticks around I'd love his jersey. 

[kloubek]

6 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

I don't know if it is Sbisa, it could very well be edler.  I think a few things really come into play.  One no trade will happen early in the season with all the question marks around our players, We need to see what kind of players we have. 

 

Two, it depends on where the team is at in the standing when we feel were ready to make a play,  if were sitting way out of playoff contention vs right in the mix of making playoffs.

 

Three it depends on the kids really take a step forward and show they belong, they can handle the consistent minutes, and maintain that play over long period of time,   Could Hutton and Tryamkin be counted on to play consistent top 4 minutes. 

 

 

 

All excellent points, and it is indeed too early to say who will have to go. If our guys like Pedan don't work out or if Larsen is unable to contribute, or Tryamkin doesn't impress like I think he will, then there is no point in moving anyone because we need that depth to put forward reasonably competitive pairings.  Luckily, I feel we have enough depth to believe we will be ok no matter what. 

 

I singled out Sbisa because, unless he completely breaks out this season, he's likely the most expendable.  He has so far shown not a ton of skill in any respect, and we simply don't need either a 3.6m player either sitting in the box, or on the ice, playing nothing but an above average physical game.  

 

As for Edler, at least he would garner a return for a player we could use.  But with a defence already less than a scoring powerhouse, I'm not sure we can afford to lose what will likely be around 30 points. 

 

That is, unless Larsen surprises me and makes that amount up... and hopefully more. (Dreaming)

 

Maybe for Barrie I'd trade Edler....

Edited September 21, 2016 by kloubek

[canuckledraggin]

1 hour ago, ThrustyPrusty89 said:

@Where'd Luongo? and I have been calling him Groot. 

 

If he sticks around I'd love his jersey. 

I liked Tram...as in runaway train. If there's a collision, Tram is coming out on top.

 

 

At :49 seconds Tram comes flying down the wing.

[Hairy Kneel]

'The Freight Train' he can pretend to pull the whistle down when he scores Woot!Woot!!

or a good ol' Johnny Cash song when he scores. I know teams are already studying his film -added to what they know about Guds and Sbisa- opposing forwards are already going to be very wary in our zone this season.