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1 minute ago, coryberg said:

No he is in his 2nd pro season and that makes him exempt.... the 40 games mark for players doesn't make them exempt. It's just a rule that every team must have at least one player that meets that to be exposed. If a player has 3 years of pro hockey they will be exposed no matter how many games they have played.

Ok good then he's exempt from the expansion draft. Thanks.

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I wonder if they are trying to flaunt the AHL process of Stecher going down and already coming back up to play in the NHL? Maybe he will get the idea that heading down for a couple weeks will be beneficial to his game.

 

If not it is going to be a tough season for the big man, probably only getting ice time when there are 2-3 injuries to the core of our D corps.

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Does he get his NHL salary on a conditioning stint or is it the AHL salary that applies? I could see him not wanting to go ride the bus for a check with 1 less zero on it, but if he's being paid the same, he should be taking the opportunity to find his game on the smaller NA rinks. NVM here it is. I don't understand his reluctance. It's not a smart move on his part. I hope it's being explained to him properly, because there's a disconnect there somewhere.

 

13.8 Conditioning Loan. Unless a Player consents, he shall not be Loaned on a Conditioning Loan to a minor league club. Such Conditioning Loan shall not extend for more than fourteen (14) consecutive days. The Commissioner may take whatever steps he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is Loaned on a Conditioning Loan. If the Commissioner has reason to believe or determines that the Club has used the Conditioning Loan to evade the Re-Entry Waivers, or otherwise Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take such disciplinary action against the Club, as he deems appropriate. The Player shall continue, during the period of such Conditioning Loan, to receive the same Paragraph 1 NHL Salary, and be entitled to the same benefits, that he would have received had he continued to play with the Club.

 

 

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I am with Tryamkin on this one. As an immigrant many years ago, if i came over to Canada with a contract with a Canadian employer, i am not going to budge from the letter of the agreement in the very first year. Yes, it is Tryamkin's choice to go to the AHL at this moment, but conditioning stint or not, there is no guarantee the Canucks will bring him back up. He could just rot in AHL for the next year for all we know.There is no reason for Tryamkin to 'trust the management on this one' and the onus is on the management to build trust with him before they ask him to do something against his contract and be protected by their 'word' on the deal. 

Especially coming from a place like Russia, where employers routinely flaunt the contract agreement & exert pressure on their employee, I can totally understand where Tryamkin is coming from.

Especially since he is 1 injury away from cracking the lineup (he is the 4th guy on our depth chart in Left Handed defence pairing). 

If Tryamkin is smart, he'd realize that atleast 50% of the NHL clubs hand over 80 games to defenders outside their top-six, due to injury & form failing through the course of a season and sit put for his chance. I know thats exactly what i'd do.

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On 8/1/2016 at 2:26 PM, Honky Cat said:

I think that Nikita would have served himself a bigger favour by staying in Vancouver this summer ..IMO...Its a pretty critical time for him,and you would have to think its pretty hard to monitor a players progress when he's 10 time zones away.

 

Anyway,guess we will know one way or the the other.. 6 weeks from now.

I really had my doubts about his training in Russia...It was a mistake...Wherever he plays out the rest of this season (KHL or NHL),I hope he has the common sense to spend next summer working out here under the supervision of the Canuck trainers.

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6 hours ago, canuckledraggin said:

Does he get his NHL salary on a conditioning stint or is it the AHL salary that applies? I could see him not wanting to go ride the bus for a check with 1 less zero on it, but if he's being paid the same, he should be taking the opportunity to find his game on the smaller NA rinks. NVM here it is. I don't understand his reluctance. It's not a smart move on his part. I hope it's being explained to him properly, because there's a disconnect there somewhere.

 

13.8 Conditioning Loan. Unless a Player consents, he shall not be Loaned on a Conditioning Loan to a minor league club. Such Conditioning Loan shall not extend for more than fourteen (14) consecutive days. The Commissioner may take whatever steps he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is Loaned on a Conditioning Loan. If the Commissioner has reason to believe or determines that the Club has used the Conditioning Loan to evade the Re-Entry Waivers, or otherwise Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take such disciplinary action against the Club, as he deems appropriate. The Player shall continue, during the period of such Conditioning Loan, to receive the same Paragraph 1 NHL Salary, and be entitled to the same benefits, that he would have received had he continued to play with the Club.

 

 

 

Not doubting you per se but that references reentry waivers, which no longer exist. Is that from an old CBA? 

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Elliotte Freidman wrote this earlier today about Tryamkin.

Wish we had more professional journalists like him here Vancouver who report the facts and leave their personal opinions in-check so as not to distort situations, or start fires that burn team fan bases.

Tired of the Grand Poohbahs of radio and paper alike thinking they can Captain a ship, let alone build one.

 

Freidman reports these facts:

With some time to make a few calls, here’s what I can glean on Vancouver defender Nikita Tryamkin. He has admitted he made a mistake by showing up out of shape. That disappointed the Canucks who were counting on him after he showed real promise in last season’s 13-game NHL debut. The club wanted him to stay in B.C. all summer, but he needed to go home for legitimate personal reasons. (Agent Mark Gandler declined to comment, saying only, he “doesn’t have a problem with how Vancouver is handling this” and didn’t want to inflame the situation.)

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There is an agreement in his contract that says he can go back to Russia if the Canucks want to send him to the AHL, and he remains steadfast on that point. GM Jim Benning did try to negotiate a deal with Tryamkin’s KHL club, that the player could go back as long as he’d return if Vancouver needed him, but that was a non-starter for Yekaterinburg. So, he’s practicing to get in shape. The one thing everyone seems to agree on is that the Canucks are going to need him and soon. They are already hurting on the blue line, and history shows they need 12 defencemen a year.

4. In a search for creative solutions, one agent suggested Vancouver asks Tryamkin to go to the AHL for a conditioning stint, with a promise that he will be in the NHL lineup on a certain date. He wondered if that would work.

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31 minutes ago, J.R. said:

People are worrying far too much about the "Tryamkin situation" IMO. It is what it is. 

 

He'll get in to shape. We'll have injuries.

Highly likely you are right. Since Tryamkin can opt out back to the KHL at anytime I cannot see the problem of playing 2 weeks in Utica. Not being able to 'sell' that to him by management is not positive. Bottom line is this is not a playoff team and the time to develop Tryamkin is well worth the effort. Tanev, Beiga, Erickson and Stecher are not big enough to stand up to NHL regular season let alone playoff hockey. I am not suggesting that they cannot play but the existing d-core has to get bigger.

 

It is so obvious to me that NHL teams playing Van still want a physical game as they know that doing so is their best way to win. Regular season play simply confirms this situation and playoffs amplify it as per the Calgary series. Also think this is a reason why Virtanen is still here and not in Utica where he needs to be.  

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23 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

Highly likely you are right. Since Tryamkin can opt out back to the KHL at anytime I cannot see the problem of playing 2 weeks in Utica. Not being able to 'sell' that to him by management is not positive.

 

That's really the issue IMO. Not sure if it's a communication issue or what though. Really, his agent etc need to get through to him on that point. He's either getting bad advice or advice isn't being communicated to him clearly/he's misunderstanding it.

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I wonder how Toronto fans reacted to the benching of Corrado last season. He didn't get into game action for months after they picked him up. Is it really that big of a deal to hold a roster spot for him? Vancouver media is in full on panic mode over who gets to sit in the press box... I'm confused again:huh:

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2 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said:

I wonder how Toronto fans reacted to the benching of Corrado last season. He didn't get into game action for months after they picked him up. Is it really that big of a deal to hold a roster spot for him? Vancouver media is in full on panic mode over who gets to sit in the press box... I'm confused again:huh:

Because this canvass and media over hype guys like Corrado and when they actually see them in NHL action they yell about something else.

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3 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said:

I wonder how Toronto fans reacted to the benching of Corrado last season. He didn't get into game action for months after they picked him up. Is it really that big of a deal to hold a roster spot for him? Vancouver media is in full on panic mode over who gets to sit in the press box... I'm confused again:huh:

True, but FC didn't refuse to go to the AHL for a two week conditioning stint.  

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2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

True, but FC didn't refuse to go to the AHL for a two week conditioning stint.  

Corrado doesn't have any bargaining power and didn't sign a conditional deal that said he wouldn't go to the AHL either. I do think it's misguided of him, but I watched the Comets game today and I gotta say that I'm not sure how many good habits he could learn there. The play is slow, scrambly and players are out of position all over the ice.

 

Why not dress 7 defensemen and at least see how out of shape he is? There are enough workhorses on this team that could fill in for a missing forward. Did he really look completely out of shape in the pre-season? Those were games that he played in right? His speed might have been lacking on the backcheck a couple times and maybe you could attribute that to his wind, but he is a true giant. He may never have the stamina to be a #1 D-man.

 

For now it's workout, practice and skate hard everyday. Eventually he will be ready to play.

 

 

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