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8 hours ago, The Sedge said:

It seems to me that a lot of Russian players have this same mindset.  

Lots of players, in a different context, see Jake Virtanen, have a mindset issue. Or Michael Dal Colle. Some of them get over it?

 

They come to the NHL as stars from the time they were 6 years old. Its a bit a bit of a head-scratcher for them that they have to do things like stay in the type of shape that allows them to play 40 second shifts. Instead of coast for 20 seconds and still dominate. At the same time suddenly they are getting paid $50,000 to $80,000 per month clear.  

 

The only difference is the Russians have the leverage to gain clauses in their contract. ''Play me as much as I want, how i want?''  Or I can go get $20,000 per month tax free back home. Versus $2200 clear every two weeks in the AHL. It is still a lot!

 

Some, see Nikita, take the easy way out. That he might take the easy way out, might have been foretold in him arriving in bad shape. They are young, and feel they cannot be pushed around. Others, see Jake, make the attitude correction? Let us hope he continues. Want to convert the AHL pay-cheques into ridiculous money. Bo will be making over a quarter milliion a month after tax & paying his agent.

 

I repeat. The only real difference is more alternate opportunities.

7 hours ago, Attila Umbrus said:

I hate to say it's true because there are so many good Russians playing in the NHL and it's not fair to them...but it does have validation. Lots of players from different nationalities do the same thing if they don't get what they're seeking for in the NHL, but it's not maybe as frequent as how many times it happens with Russian players. Perhaps it's because Russians know they have the KHL which by all accounts is the next best league in the world with the next best pay for a professional.

Only a small percentage of Russians in the KHL make an average wage in the NHL. 

 

And some also are motivated to be the best they can be? Irrespective of money.  A larger percentage of elite athletes, from all countries, have this mindset. 

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1 hour ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Lots of players, in a different context, see Jake Virtanen, have a mindset issue. Or Michael Dal Colle. Some of them get over it?

 

They come to the NHL as stars from the time they were 6 years old. Its a bit a bit of a head-scratcher for them that they have to do things like stay in the type of shape that allows them to play 40 second shifts. Instead of coast for 20 seconds and still dominate. At the same time suddenly they are getting paid $50,000 to $80,000 per month clear.  

 

The only difference is the Russians have the leverage to gain clauses in their contract. ''Play me as much as I want, how i want?''  Or I can go get $20,000 per month tax free back home. Versus $2200 clear every two weeks in the AHL. It is still a lot!

 

Some, see Nikita, take the easy way out. That he might take the easy way out, might have been foretold in him arriving in bad shape. They are young, and feel they cannot be pushed around. Others, see Jake, make the attitude correction? Let us hope he continues. Want to convert the AHL pay-cheques into ridiculous money. Bo will be making over a quarter milliion a month after tax & paying his agent.

 

I repeat. The only real difference is more alternate opportunities.

Only a small percentage of Russians in the KHL make an average wage in the NHL. 

 

And some also are motivated to be the best they can be? Irrespective of money.  A larger percentage of elite athletes, from all countries, have this mindset. 

A trace of the trait was evident in one of Crosby's very first media interviews.

'You can make it if you try'

"They say you have to do your best and work hard and things will happen," he told the Halifax Daily News in a feature written in April 1995 when Crosby was seven.

"You can make it if you try."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/sidney-crosby-30-1.4235342

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Lots of players, in a different context, see Jake Virtanen, have a mindset issue. Or Michael Dal Colle. Some of them get over it?

 

They come to the NHL as stars from the time they were 6 years old. Its a bit a bit of a head-scratcher for them that they have to do things like stay in the type of shape that allows them to play 40 second shifts. Instead of coast for 20 seconds and still dominate. At the same time suddenly they are getting paid $50,000 to $80,000 per month clear.  

 

The only difference is the Russians have the leverage to gain clauses in their contract. ''Play me as much as I want, how i want?''  Or I can go get $20,000 per month tax free back home. Versus $2200 clear every two weeks in the AHL. It is still a lot!

 

Some, see Nikita, take the easy way out. That he might take the easy way out, might have been foretold in him arriving in bad shape. They are young, and feel they cannot be pushed around. Others, see Jake, make the attitude correction? Let us hope he continues. Want to convert the AHL pay-cheques into ridiculous money. Bo will be making over a quarter milliion a month after tax & paying his agent.

 

I repeat. The only real difference is more alternate opportunities.

Only a small percentage of Russians in the KHL make an average wage in the NHL. 

 

And some also are motivated to be the best they can be? Irrespective of money.  A larger percentage of elite athletes, from all countries, have this mindset. 

I don't think we're on the same page.  I meant was I feel that a lot of Russian players have this mindset that scoring goals is the most (and sometimes only) important thing in hockey.  Nothing to do with NT's decision to move back to Russia.

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11 hours ago, ilduce39 said:

I was super high on this guy but honesty don't think we're missing out anymore. Good riddance.

I feel the same way.  I thought we had a future Norris winning Dman here but that was only if he put in the work to get better. 

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19 hours ago, peaches5 said:

I remember I did something similar to Goldy and the coach came down to me on the bench and said you're lucky you scored or you'd be spending the rest of the game on the bench. According WD it doesn't matter if you score if you choose offense over defense you sit on the bench. I get 100% what Tryamkin is saying too. Everyone, here, thought he deserved more ice time. it didn't make sense, as he says, for him to be seeing LESS ice time with more injuries. He was good enough and on a bad enough team to get more ice time. Just all around bad coaching. It wasn't like he was making blatantly stupid plays out there.

Every coach is like that.  If you can't play passable defense, at least, you don't play.  Period.

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11 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Lots of players, in a different context, see Jake Virtanen, have a mindset issue. Or Michael Dal Colle. Some of them get over it?

 

They come to the NHL as stars from the time they were 6 years old. Its a bit a bit of a head-scratcher for them that they have to do things like stay in the type of shape that allows them to play 40 second shifts. Instead of coast for 20 seconds and still dominate. At the same time suddenly they are getting paid $50,000 to $80,000 per month clear.  

 

The only difference is the Russians have the leverage to gain clauses in their contract. ''Play me as much as I want, how i want?''  Or I can go get $20,000 per month tax free back home. Versus $2200 clear every two weeks in the AHL. It is still a lot!

 

Some, see Nikita, take the easy way out. That he might take the easy way out, might have been foretold in him arriving in bad shape. They are young, and feel they cannot be pushed around. Others, see Jake, make the attitude correction? Let us hope he continues. Want to convert the AHL pay-cheques into ridiculous money. Bo will be making over a quarter milliion a month after tax & paying his agent.

 

I repeat. The only real difference is more alternate opportunities.

Only a small percentage of Russians in the KHL make an average wage in the NHL. 

 

And some also are motivated to be the best they can be? Irrespective of money.  A larger percentage of elite athletes, from all countries, have this mindset. 

Very short sighted thinking on Try's part and you have to wonder what kind of bonehead his agent must be.  He's never going to come close to making the same kind of $ he would in the NHL.  I was/am a huge fan of NT, but he clearly has an entitlement issue and maybe the org is better off without him.  Wait out his three year contract, and then move him if they get the chance.

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33 minutes ago, stawns said:

Very short sighted thinking on Try's part and you have to wonder what kind of bonehead his agent must be.  He's never going to come close to making the same kind of $ he would in the NHL.  I was/am a huge fan of NT, but he clearly has an entitlement issue and maybe the org is better off without him.  Wait out his three year contract, and then move him if they get the chance.

I thought he had a real shot at a top 4 role. Don't understand his beef about TOI or even the issue with being benched. His TOI was slightly more than 16 minutes and as the season limped home he was getting a taste on the PP. I was shocked when it was announced he was headed home. If he had a confused idea of where he should be then his agent needed to educate him along with the Van coaching as to where they saw his future. They all had exit interviews so I would have loved to be a fly that day. Some talk that he and Lidster did not bond. 

 

Depending how Van's d-core evolves over the next 2 - 3 years they could move Tryamkin earlier. I suspect they will watch the KHL video closely. I wonder if it is illegal for the Canucks to talk to Tryamkin or his agent during the 3 years? IMHO there is no way he will develop as well over 3 years in the KHL versus his staying in Van. It is a step backwards and increases his odds of not making a NHL career.    

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33 minutes ago, stawns said:

Very short sighted thinking on Try's part and you have to wonder what kind of bonehead his agent must be.  He's never going to come close to making the same kind of $ he would in the NHL.  I was/am a huge fan of NT, but he clearly has an entitlement issue and maybe the org is better off without him.  Wait out his three year contract, and then move him if they get the chance.

I thought he had a real shot at a top 4 role. Don't understand his beef about TOI or even the issue with being benched. His TOI was slightly more than 16 minutes and as the season limped home he was getting a taste on the PP. I was shocked when it was announced he was headed home. If he had a confused idea of where he should be then his agent needed to educate him along with the Van coaching as to where they saw his future. They all had exit interviews so I would have loved to be a fly that day. Some talk that he and Lidster did not bond. 

 

Depending how Van's d-core evolves over the next 2 - 3 years they could move Tryamkin earlier. I suspect they will watch the KHL video closely. I wonder if it is illegal for the Canucks to talk to Tryamkin or his agent during the 3 years? IMHO there is no way he will develop as well over 3 years in the KHL versus his staying in Van. It is a step backwards and increases his odds of not making a NHL career.    

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It will be interesting to see how his career progresses in the KHL.  If he gets top line minutes and power play time, and gets to play in the olympics, he very well may be better off over there.  We may get a polished version of him, right when we are looking to compete again.

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1 hour ago, Boudrias said:

I thought he had a real shot at a top 4 role. Don't understand his beef about TOI or even the issue with being benched. His TOI was slightly more than 16 minutes and as the season limped home he was getting a taste on the PP. I was shocked when it was announced he was headed home. If he had a confused idea of where he should be then his agent needed to educate him along with the Van coaching as to where they saw his future. They all had exit interviews so I would have loved to be a fly that day. Some talk that he and Lidster did not bond. 

 

Depending how Van's d-core evolves over the next 2 - 3 years they could move Tryamkin earlier. I suspect they will watch the KHL video closely. I wonder if it is illegal for the Canucks to talk to Tryamkin or his agent during the 3 years? IMHO there is no way he will develop as well over 3 years in the KHL versus his staying in Van. It is a step backwards and increases his odds of not making a NHL career.    

I say wait the three years and don't cut him any breaks.......if he wants to use the KHL as leverage out of Van, he can suffer.  If he's happy to come back to Van before that, awesome.

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On 9/8/2017 at 9:53 AM, Derp... said:

Certainly seems like playing in the NHL helped him become a better player.

He must be real impressed with his performance in the KHL... oh wait. It's not the best league in the world. 

 

Clearly I'm sour over his departure. 

On 9/24/2017 at 3:26 PM, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

In 3 years... lol man I don't like this guy.

 

At least he said something respectful about the Sedins. 

On 9/24/2017 at 6:42 PM, elvis15 said:

 

Perhaps the translation was off but this kid still seems entitled and rude if you ask me. 

 

News flash, it's by far the nicest city in the world you ungrateful .... w.e 

 

 

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I wondered if we could have another shot at Try since we have a new coaching staff and Green likes his d to pinch and join the rush.  More fun for the D guys.  Not sure if Try fits that style.  He was kind of suited to Willy's back up and clog the middle D.  And Travis Green is super blunt and doesn't cater to any players, so if Try is sensitive to criticism he wont get along with Green, and he just sent Goldy down and Pedan is soon to follow so no Russians. 

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2 hours ago, hobart16 said:

I wondered if we could have another shot at Try since we have a new coaching staff and Green likes his d to pinch and join the rush.  More fun for the D guys.  Not sure if Try fits that style.  He was kind of suited to Willy's back up and clog the middle D.  And Travis Green is super blunt and doesn't cater to any players, so if Try is sensitive to criticism he wont get along with Green, and he just sent Goldy down and Pedan is soon to follow so no Russians. 

If he ever comes back, I think it'll come after his three year deal is up with Avto. He was really complimentary of Green in the above interview, so that's quite promising. However, his comment regarding Goldy - if he scores, he should play - is not exactly a sentiment that is going to earn a player ice time in the NHL. In short, now is completely the wrong time. In three years, we may be beginning a real upswing, since I think that marks the arrival of Pettersson in the lineup, Gaudette with a year under his belt, guys like Bo, Stecher, Hutton, Boeser, Virt to be in their primes and established impact players (ideally), and he may considering giving North America another shot. Fingers crossed though - despite what I said, he was amongst my top three favourites to watch last year and I hope he returns

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37 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

I think Tryamkin's comment about Goldy playing was an obtuse effort to justify his own claim that he should have got a better playing opportunity from Desjardin. I have not heard him say the same thing about Pedan. Oh, that's right he is competition. B)

and only sort of russian

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On 9/26/2017 at 4:27 PM, apollo said:

He must be real impressed with his performance in the KHL... oh wait. It's not the best league in the world. 

 

Clearly I'm sour over his departure. 

In 3 years... lol man I don't like this guy.

 

At least he said something respectful about the Sedins. 

Perhaps the translation was off but this kid still seems entitled and rude if you ask me. 

 

News flash, it's by far the nicest city in the world you ungrateful .... w.e 

 

 

You haven't traveled the world it sounds like, Van is far from nicest, unless you're emo and love rain,  severe traffic massively over inflated house prices. 

 

There's so many beautiful ocean front towns in Europe

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