Nikita Tryamkin | D

[Kushman]

IE: In three years your rights in the NHL will still belong to the Vancouver Canucks.

NT: And what, you think it’s bad luck? I’m not going to say that the Canucks are a bad team. I can’t confirm that in three years I am getting back or that I am not getting back. Maybe a brick will hit me in the head and I won’t be myself anymore. We’ll have to see how I will play in that moment. If the team will feel like they need me, and we can find some good conditions, then anything can happen. But we’re still far from that.

 

[ilduce39]

On 2017-11-24 at 11:51 AM, SilentSam said:

Dont' recall if this interview was posted here,.  But it is interesting..

 

https://thehockeywriters.com/nikita-tryamkin-comfortable-home-khl/

Wow, I've seen that interview referenced a few times but don't think I read it.  Thanks.  

 

interviewer did a great job... didn't beat around the bush and asked him straight.  

 

Nikita comes off better on that than I've seen elsewhere.  

 

I still kinda scratch my head about how he thinks he should have been playing 25+ minutes a night but overall what he's saying makes sense. 

 

I don't read it as him planning to come back though.  "I could get hit in the head with a brick and become a different person" isn't a "can't wait to get back to the NHL and show what I can do."  Honestly he sounds like a guy who would be happy winning KHL championships and maybe the odd international tournament.

[Hairy Kneel]

I don't need to see Try labeled generational, I'll settle for top 4 D for now.

If we start winning more with him, esp in the postseason, then we can start that debate.

[WeneedLumme]

2 hours ago, ilduce39 said:

Wow, I've seen that interview referenced a few times but don't think I read it.  Thanks.  

 

interviewer did a great job... didn't beat around the bush and asked him straight.  

 

Nikita comes off better on that than I've seen elsewhere.  

 

I still kinda scratch my head about how he thinks he should have been playing 25+ minutes a night but overall what he's saying makes sense. 

 

I don't read it as him planning to come back though.  "I could get hit in the head with a brick and become a different person" isn't a "can't wait to get back to the NHL and show what I can do."  Honestly he sounds like a guy who would be happy winning KHL championships and maybe the odd international tournament.

To paraphrase what he said, cleaning up the English, "It depends on how I am playing at the time. If the team feels they need me and we can agree on terms..." Sure sounds to me that he plans to come back but isn't counting his chickens before they hatch, and doesn't want to throw away all his negotiating leverage.

[SilentSam]

On 2017-11-07 at 3:11 PM, zduck14 said:

I like the enthusiasm for Tryamkin here but I honestly think you guys are throwing around the "generational talent" term a little too loosely. In my opinion, that term should be reserved for guys like Orr, Gretzky, Howe, Lemieux, Lidstrom, Crosby, etc. 

 

While I think Tryamkin has the potential to be a top pairing, "Elite" defenseman in the NHL along the lines of a Suter or Weber, I can't see him ever being in the same category as the likes of Karlsson, Pronger or Niedermayer.

 

That said, with this teams history of d-men, I would gladly take a Weber or Suter on this team any day.

I still see the potential to be generational in Tryamkin.

He is still very young, I think Tryamkin may possibly have a longetivity in his game that allows that term to stick.

[Hairy Kneel]

Guddy and Try back there on patrol, shades of Babych and Dirk clearing the crease all game. 

[Stierlitz]

I think I should mention that Tryamkin has recently played for the Russian national team in the Carjala Cup tournament in Finland. He played against Finland on Nov 9 and Czech Republic on Nov 12 with 2 PIM in each game. That was his first appearance for the main Russian team.

[zduck14]

3 hours ago, SilentSam said:

I still see the potential to be generational in Tryamkin.

He is still very young, I think Tryamkin may possibly have a longetivity in his game that allows that term to stick.

Like I said in the post you quoted, generational talents are extremely rare. While I really believe Tryamkin can be top pairing d-man, I think the best he'll be is a Pronger type. Definitely a great defender but not a generational player.

Edited November 26, 2017 by zduck14

[Boudrias]

14 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:

Guddy and Try back there on patrol, shades of Babych and Dirk clearing the crease all game. 

Different era but I like the sound of it. The longer Tryamkin stays in the KHL the bigger the legend will grow. My only hope is that crude oil pricing craters and the KHL cuts another 6 teams. 

[Hairy Kneel]

2 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

Different era but I like the sound of it. The longer Tryamkin stays in the KHL the bigger the legend will grow. My only hope is that crude oil pricing craters and the KHL cuts another 6 teams. 

Aww yes the big picture analytic! Agreed 

[Guest]

Generational, generational, generational! 

 

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

The big guy had a goal and an assist today.

 

Now has 18 points (5G 13A) in 34 KHL games.

 

And sits 8th in league-wide defenseman scoring.

Edited November 26, 2017 by SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME

[higgyfan]

14 hours ago, zduck14 said:

Like I said in the post you quoted, generational talents are extremely rare. While I really believe Tryamkin can be top pairing d-man, I think the best he'll be is a Pronger type. Definitely a great defender but not a generational player.

For some reason I find this post very ironic.

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

I don’t see the true “generational” potential in Tryamkin, as far him becoming one of the all-time NHL greats. I think if his ceiling was that high, he’d be dominating the KHL D scoring race, logging 25+ minutes every game, and he’d already be considered one of Russia’s premiere players.

 

Sure there are a handful of late bloomers in the long history of this league who grew into generational players after slightly ordinary starts to their careers. But these guys are really few and far between.

 

I suppose I can’t rule it out, but the chances are so low (like a fraction of 1%) that Tryamkin becomes one of the great stories in hockey history, returns to the NA at age 26/27, and becomes a perennial Norris candidate who plays 10+ elite level NHL seasons.

 

What I do see is the possibility for Tryamkin to become the most significant Canucks defenseman we’ve arguably seen in a generation. He has the potential to become a 30+ points per NHL season, two-way D, who logs 20+ minutes a night, play top pairing, 1PP and 1PK, plays a key role on offense, covers huge swaths of real estate defensively, controls opposition players in his own zone with his size/strength, and locks down the scoring areas in front of his goaltender.

 

That’s a pretty great tool to have in any team’s arsenal.

 

And in terms of the Canucks, we definitely haven’t had a player on our D with that kind of ability in at least a generation.

 

So generational Canuck? Sure, could happen. 

 

Generational NHLer? I don’t really see it happening.

 

And I’m just fine with that.

 

So long as (should Tryamkin actually reach his potential) he also decides to come back and play for Vancouver. Inserting a piece like that into our rebuilt team (maybe by around 2020) would be pretty amazing.

[WeneedLumme]

2 hours ago, Boudrias said:

Different era but I like the sound of it. The longer Tryamkin stays in the KHL the bigger the legend will grow. My only hope is that crude oil pricing craters and the KHL cuts another 6 teams. 

Sounds good with respect to making the KHL less lucrative. But if oil prices crash, it also hammers the Canadian economy and the Canadian dollar, hurting the Canadian NHL teams (including the Canucks), who pay salaries in US dollars.

[zduck14]

11 hours ago, higgyfan said:

For some reason I find this post very ironic.

In what way? Pronger was a great defender but not a generational player. As I and others said before, generational talents are extremely rare like Gretzky, Orr, Howe, Lidstrom, Crosby..... After that there are the elite talents like Pronger, Neidermayer, Sakic, Yzerman, etc....

[Where's Wellwood]

2 minutes ago, zduck14 said:

In what way? Pronger was a great defender but not a generational player. As I and others said before, generational talents are extremely rare like Gretzky, Orr, Howe, Lidstrom, Crosby..... After that there are the elite talents like Pronger, Neidermayer, Sakic, Yzerman, etc....

The Canucks wanted Tryamkin to be like Pronger and that's part of why he left.

 http://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/jason-botchford-defenceman-tryamkin-takes-offence-and-bolts-canucks-for-russia

 

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Those coaches were bent on getting more aggression out of Tryamkin, which isn’t one of his strengths. This was talked about openly by the coaches and there were reports Thursday that staff showed Tryamkin videos of Chris Pronger, asking him basically to do the impossible, which is “be like Pronger.”

The irony is what hurt Tryamkin’s game the most this season was the penalties he took. Tryamkin was called for 27 minors. It was the most on the Canucks (no one else had more than 18) and it ranked 25th in the NHL. This for a player who missed 16 games.

The issue definitely wasn’t helped by urging him to be more aggressive. 

Being mean and dirty, like Pronger, wasn’t one of Tryamkin’s best skills. Skating was. And the Canucks’ defence can actually use all the good skaters it can find.

 

[zduck14]

8 minutes ago, Where's Wellwood said:

The Canucks wanted Tryamkin to be like Pronger and that's part of why he left.

 http://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/jason-botchford-defenceman-tryamkin-takes-offence-and-bolts-canucks-for-russia

 

 

Ahhhh. I never read that before. It actually makes dislike Willie even more now.

 

I can say though, having watched a few of Tryamkin's games in the KHL this year, he does remind me a lot of the way Pronger used to dominate minus the dirty play. For the record, I do realize it's only the KHL but I still think it's a good sign as to how he's developing. 

[Ray_Cathode]

On 25/11/2017 at 7:58 PM, zduck14 said:

Like I said in the post you quoted, generational talents are extremely rare. While I really believe Tryamkin can be top pairing d-man, I think the best he'll be is a Pronger type. Definitely a great defender but not a generational player.

Being a Chara type wouldn't be bad either - I believe Tryamkin's offense side is still to be explored.  Chara was in the league for four years before he started to emerge in his fifth season.

[Boudrias]

10 hours ago, Where's Wellwood said:

The Canucks wanted Tryamkin to be like Pronger and that's part of why he left.

 http://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/jason-botchford-defenceman-tryamkin-takes-offence-and-bolts-canucks-for-russia

 

 

Taking anything Botchford says is a stretch IMHO. I do not think for a moment that Desjardin was trying to turn Tryamkin into a goon. More physical, yes. Nothing wrong with that.