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13 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

Geez Rob, Tryamkin is a top pairing d-man! -_- Biggest mistake the kid could have made was going back to the KHL. If he had stuck in Van this year he would have had lots of opportunity to accelerate his development. 

He has not helped his development, agreed, but he likely saved his marriage.   In that regard, kid made the right choice as his career is just that but his marriage is his life.

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2 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

He has not helped his development, agreed, but he likely saved his marriage.   In that regard, kid made the right choice as his career is just that but his marriage is his life.

You remind me of Alf.

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On 2018-02-12 at 8:16 AM, alfstonker said:

Oh noooooooo !! :o:o   how will his massive ego cope with such a knock back. Worse still, how will CDC who are already pencilling him in for 6 x $6M cope with such a massive dose of reality.

Maybe Tryamkin just refused to take performance enhancing drugs - didn’t the inquiry show that taking them was mandartory for Olympic athletes: -https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ban-russia-from-the-olympics/2017/11/30/e968dd10-d556-11e7-a986-d0a9770d9a3e_story.html?utm_term=.28527e1140e5

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9 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

Maybe Tryamkin just refused to take performance enhancing drugs - didn’t the inquiry show that taking them was mandartory for Olympic athletes: -https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ban-russia-from-the-olympics/2017/11/30/e968dd10-d556-11e7-a986-d0a9770d9a3e_story.html?utm_term=.28527e1140e5

Who knows, but that is a bit historical now as Russia have been punished I think they would have to be mad to keep giving their competitors drugs when they have already received some injurious bans and loss of national respect since being found out.

Let me speculate that it could just be a coach who finds his self entitled attitude a bit unsettling in a team game.

 

 

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14 hours ago, alfstonker said:

Who knows, but that is a bit historical now as Russia have been punished I think they would have to be mad to keep giving their competitors drugs when they have already received some injurious bans and loss of national respect since being found out.

Let me speculate that it could just be a coach who finds his self entitled attitude a bit unsettling in a team game.

 

 

They weren’t punished, they are playing, but not as the ‘official’ Russian team.  Of course everything in Russia outside of Moscow is ‘official’, in Moscow official means doing whatever it takes.

 

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7 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

They weren’t punished, they are playing, but not as the ‘official’ Russian team.  Of course everything in Russia outside of Moscow is ‘official’, in Moscow official means doing whatever it takes.

 

You are in error. The Russians found guilty of taking state sponsored dope have all been banned - NOT ALLOWED TO COMPETE. The Russians who have not been found to have taken drugs are allowed to compete. As another punishment to Russia, they have been fined $15M, some officials have been given life bans and the athletes who have not been found guilty are not allowed to compete under the Russian flag.

 

If you think the Russian people will put up with that sort of shame and ostracisation for long, maybe you are on dope. :P

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28 minutes ago, alfstonker said:

You are in error. The Russians found guilty of taking state sponsored dope have all been banned - NOT ALLOWED TO COMPETE. The Russians who have not been found to have taken drugs are allowed to compete. As another punishment to Russia, they have been fined $15M, some officials have been given life bans and the athletes who have not been found guilty are not allowed to compete under the Russian flag.

 

If you think the Russian people will put up with that sort of shame and ostracisation for long, maybe you are on dope. :P

Not really: “As of January 2018, the IOC had sanctioned 43 Russian athletes from the 2014 Winter Olympics and banned them from competing in the 2018 edition and all other future Olympic Games as part of the Oswald Commission. All but one of these athletes appealed against their bans to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. The court overturned the sanctions on 28 athletes meaning that their Sochi medals and results are reinstated but decided that there was sufficient evidence against 11 athletes to uphold their Sochi sanctions. The IOC said in a statement that "the result of the CAS decision does not mean that athletes from the group of 28 will be invited to the Games. Not being sanctioned does not automatically confer the privilege of an invitation" and that "this [case] may have a serious impact on the future fight against doping". The IOC found it important to note that CAS Secretary General "insisted that the CAS decision does not mean that these 28 athletes are innocent" and that they would consider an appeal against the court's decision. The court also decided that none of the 39 athletes should be banned from all future Olympic Games, but only the 2018 Games. 3 Russian athletes are still waiting for their hearing which will be conducted after the 2018 Games.  From Wikipedia

 

A reading of the following gives a greater indication of the level of Russian cheating and lack of co-operation into the investigation: http://nationalpost.com/sports/olympics/russia-resorts-to-bluster-to-defend-itself-from-doping-allegations-without-refuting-any-of-the-damning-evidence

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

Not really: “As of January 2018, the IOC had sanctioned 43 Russian athletes from the 2014 Winter Olympics and banned them from competing in the 2018 edition and all other future Olympic Games as part of the Oswald Commission. All but one of these athletes appealed against their bans to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. The court overturned the sanctions on 28 athletes meaning that their Sochi medals and results are reinstated but decided that there was sufficient evidence against 11 athletes to uphold their Sochi sanctions. The IOC said in a statement that "the result of the CAS decision does not mean that athletes from the group of 28 will be invited to the Games. Not being sanctioned does not automatically confer the privilege of an invitation" and that "this [case] may have a serious impact on the future fight against doping". The IOC found it important to note that CAS Secretary General "insisted that the CAS decision does not mean that these 28 athletes are innocent" and that they would consider an appeal against the court's decision. The court also decided that none of the 39 athletes should be banned from all future Olympic Games, but only the 2018 Games. 3 Russian athletes are still waiting for their hearing which will be conducted after the 2018 Games.  From Wikipedia

 

A reading of the following gives a greater indication of the level of Russian cheating and lack of co-operation into the investigation: http://nationalpost.com/sports/olympics/russia-resorts-to-bluster-to-defend-itself-from-doping-allegations-without-refuting-any-of-the-damning-evidence

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All that is saying imo is that there was a level of doubt over some of the decisions. If there is any doubt then imo the athlete should be given the benefit. The fact that a court proved there was doubt is sufficient or do you not believe in a fair trial in such circumstances.

 

As far as those attempting to appeal the decision.

"Just hours before the opening ceremony of the Winter Olympics in PyeongChang, a group of 47 Russian athletes who had hoped to compete in South Korea, were denied the chance to do so when their appeal was turned down the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS)."

 

http://theconversation.com/winter-olympics-why-its-wrong-that-russian-athletes-are-guilty-until-proven-innocent-91260

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6 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

Not really: “As of January 2018, the IOC had sanctioned 43 Russian athletes from the 2014 Winter Olympics and banned them from competing in the 2018 edition and all other future Olympic Games as part of the Oswald Commission. All but one of these athletes appealed against their bans to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. The court overturned the sanctions on 28 athletes meaning that their Sochi medals and results are reinstated but decided that there was sufficient evidence against 11 athletes to uphold their Sochi sanctions. The IOC said in a statement that "the result of the CAS decision does not mean that athletes from the group of 28 will be invited to the Games. Not being sanctioned does not automatically confer the privilege of an invitation" and that "this [case] may have a serious impact on the future fight against doping". The IOC found it important to note that CAS Secretary General "insisted that the CAS decision does not mean that these 28 athletes are innocent" and that they would consider an appeal against the court's decision. The court also decided that none of the 39 athletes should be banned from all future Olympic Games, but only the 2018 Games. 3 Russian athletes are still waiting for their hearing which will be conducted after the 2018 Games.  From Wikipedia

 

A reading of the following gives a greater indication of the level of Russian cheating and lack of co-operation into the investigation: http://nationalpost.com/sports/olympics/russia-resorts-to-bluster-to-defend-itself-from-doping-allegations-without-refuting-any-of-the-damning-evidence

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

60 Minutes did a segment last Sunday on the Russian tampering on urine samples taken during Sochi. They had the head of the Russian testing department (not sure of title) on the show. He had defected to the USA and said that he would be killed if the Russians could find him. He actually took a picture in the wall of the lab where they passed urine samples trough so they could be replaced with 'clean' samples that had been taken from athletes prior to doping. The sample bottles were supposed to be tamper proof but the Russians had a way of opening them. To my understanding the 28 athletes who appealed did so on the basis that it could not be proven conclusively that the bottles had been tampered with. 

 

The fellow on 60 Minutes said there was absolutely no doubt that the Russian athletes doped. 

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15 minutes ago, Rush17 said:

Bring back #88

 

Bring back #88

 

Bring back #88

 

Jimbo for GM of the year for bringing #88 back to Vancouver!

Let’s just go get him..  Contracts mean nothing in Russia unless it’s a Hit Job it seems,. And given the Political climate do you think “Tampering Law” charges  would be upheld with any contract ? :) 

Rush.. let’s order Avtomobilist 88 Tryamkin jerseys and go to a game, sit below the Canucks Brass Box so they get the message.. meet you there.. buy you a couple pops.   I’m so close to doing this, getting that kid like grin on my face at Christmas ! 

 

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