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11 hours ago, alfstonker said:

Well you can't talk. The next time you have an opinion, will be your first.

But hey thanks for coming out from under your. stone, hope it's not too bright for you. :picard:

Well I think you're a total jackhole, so there you have it my 1st opinion for you lol. I can't believe how much shilling you're doing for this guy. https://twitter.com/JanikBeichler

 

And the article that was posted isn't even an article written by him, It's just another guy citing his tweets as a source. It's irresponsible of this guy to represent himself as #Canucks media. Unless he's running the @Canucks twitter page or he's directly affiliated with the club in some official capacity, he's not Canucks media... he's just media.

 

It's pretty clear he's making himself the story and trolling the Canucks fanbase in the same way you're trolling this thread.

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13 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said:

Well I think you're a total jackhole, so there you have it my 1st opinion for you lol. I can't believe how much shilling you're doing for this guy. https://twitter.com/JanikBeichler

 

And the article that was posted isn't even an article written by him, It's just another guy citing his tweets as a source. It's irresponsible of this guy to represent himself as #Canucks media. Unless he's running the @Canucks twitter page or he's directly affiliated with the club in some official capacity, he's not Canucks media... he's just media.

 

It's pretty clear he's making himself the story and trolling the Canucks fanbase in the same way you're trolling this thread.

he's not even media. at best he's social media. 

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Perhaps this user and blogger are the same person, or has that been said already?  I don't know.

 

 

Nikita come back

you can blame it all on me

The Canucks were wrong

and they just can't defend without you

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4 hours ago, tas said:

he's not even media. at best he's social media. 

Sure. But so often now, actual credentialed media are taking their cues from social media. They see a story and a chance to cause a discussion or headline and they run with it as a story they created. I don't know this guys credentials or if he just ambushed Tryamkin in the parking lot and I don't really care.

 

Facts are facts and the fact that this guys hurt feelings is a story, really is no story at all. 

 

The only thing that people have to go on regarding the reason for Tryamkin's departure, is an interview done in Russian and translated with Google translate. It's quite impossible to read yet there are a select group of morons who assume he left Vancouver because of pot smoke.

 

There is almost no information in this thread, yet on and on it goes.

 

"You gotta keep em speculatin'"

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The last few pages helped the blogger accomplish exactly what he wanted. Someone to make him relevant. Good thing for me, I don't remember his name and don't really care. 

But what I do care about, how did Tram play against Canada as well as throughout the tourney? 

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9 hours ago, Tre Mac said:

Perhaps this user and blogger are the same person, or has that been said already?  I don't know.

 

 

Nikita come back

you can blame it all on me

The Canucks were wrong

and they just can't defend without you

Nikita could be a Player.

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17 hours ago, cuporbust said:

They all did. Willie was the worst though. I dont care how many good things he did , the rediculous ice time and roster moves he made made him the worst coach we have had in recent memory IMO. He was horrible overall. 

WTF is ridiculous about 16+ mins? We are not talking about OEL here.

His roster "moves" as you put it were down to injuries and no decent replacements. If the Sedins hadn't had a spurt of form in these last few games TG would have won the same number of games as WD had the year before and TG had a far superior roster. 

 

Your bias is embarrassing.

 

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15 hours ago, tas said:

the entirety of the blog post/tweets that inspired this lively debate is not only evidence but cut and dry proof. the complete lack of journalistic merit removes all credibility. anyone who can equate tryamkin denying an english-speaking blogger an interview to tryamkin not wanting anything to do with the canucks is not only bereft of credibility, but also a complete moron. the blog post then goes on to make statements of fact about the previous dealings between tryamkin and the canucks that contradict what both the team and tryamkin have said, with no citations, when these bloggers have no more clue than any of us about what actually happened behind the scenes. the ACTUAL media doesn't know, let alone the pretend media that gets 100% of their information from the actual media. 

 

I disagree entirely, to the point where I wonder if you actually read the article properly.

When I asked you to substantiate your opinion that he was a liar, I expected some alternative articles, because this one certainly doesn't. He is stating opinions, that does not make him a liar. If it did this forum is crammed with liars. In fact there are places where he seems to be sympathetic to Tryamkin and even says he wants to see him back.

 

 

"and it appears he wants nothing to do with anyone connected to the Canucks."

 

" it seems he still feels burned by the organization."

 

"Whether that feeling is misplaced is up for debate."

 

" but you could say that Tryamkin gave up on North America a little too quickly."

 

"In light of this, I think it’s just a sign to give him time. The Vancouver Canucks retain his signing rights until July 1, 2022 and his KHL deal is set to end in 2020. Last year, Tryamkin did say he would not consider a return for at least three years."

 

"However, the way he’s closing himself off to Canucks media is not a promising start. Sure, things could change in a few years, but if he loves playing in Russia, the Canucks will have to present a lot more than money to bring him back."

 

"Besides, when Tryamkin left, he was a third-pairing defenceman. I miss him too, but he wasn’t playing like a number one blueliner."

 

"Injuries left some terrible players available on the blue line, making Tryamkin stand out a little more."

 

"I would assume Jim Benning and Trevor Linden are already planning for a future without Tryamkin

 

 

There is absolutely nothing said by this guy that would invite the deluge of "hate" showered on him by the Tryamkin zealots on here. His blog is littered with possibilities  and opinion. He does not try to portray them as facts at all. In fact compared to the average poster on here he seems to try to avoid giving opinion as fact.

 

For the uneducated "assume" "you could say" "whether" "you could say" (again) "it seems" "it appears" "things could change" are all conjectural terms not a statement of fact.

 

As far as I can see the only instances where he didn't make it clear it was only his opinion is where I would say he knew he was on safe ground. eg only a fool would say he was playing like a top liner or deny that the fact our D being pretty poor made Tryamkin look better.

 

Is Tryamkin "closing himself off" to the Canucks, who knows, he seems to lack maturity and the way he conducted that interview was not indicative of a player who wanted to let Canucks fans know how he was getting on or what he may see in the future." If he does come back I hope he doesn't "pretend" to not understand English and the Canucks give him some media training. (although from past form he would probably accuse the Canucks of singling him out for unfair treatment - again)

 

All in all just another CDC $&!#storm in a tea cup.

 

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3 hours ago, alfstonker said:

 

I disagree entirely, to the point where I wonder if you actually read the article properly.

When I asked you to substantiate your opinion that he was a liar, I expected some alternative articles, because this one certainly doesn't. He is stating opinions, that does not make him a liar. If it did this forum is crammed with liars. In fact there are places where he seems to be sympathetic to Tryamkin and even says he wants to see him back.

 

 

"and it appears he wants nothing to do with anyone connected to the Canucks."

 

" it seems he still feels burned by the organization."

 

"Whether that feeling is misplaced is up for debate."

 

" but you could say that Tryamkin gave up on North America a little too quickly."

 

"In light of this, I think it’s just a sign to give him time. The Vancouver Canucks retain his signing rights until July 1, 2022 and his KHL deal is set to end in 2020. Last year, Tryamkin did say he would not consider a return for at least three years."

 

"However, the way he’s closing himself off to Canucks media is not a promising start. Sure, things could change in a few years, but if he loves playing in Russia, the Canucks will have to present a lot more than money to bring him back."

 

"Besides, when Tryamkin left, he was a third-pairing defenceman. I miss him too, but he wasn’t playing like a number one blueliner."

 

"Injuries left some terrible players available on the blue line, making Tryamkin stand out a little more."

 

"I would assume Jim Benning and Trevor Linden are already planning for a future without Tryamkin

 

 

There is absolutely nothing said by this guy that would invite the deluge of "hate" showered on him by the Tryamkin zealots on here. His blog is littered with possibilities  and opinion. He does not try to portray them as facts at all. In fact compared to the average poster on here he seems to try to avoid giving opinion as fact.

 

For the uneducated "assume" "you could say" "whether" "you could say" (again) "it seems" "it appears" "things could change" are all conjectural terms not a statement of fact.

 

As far as I can see the only instances where he didn't make it clear it was only his opinion is where I would say he knew he was on safe ground. eg only a fool would say he was playing like a top liner or deny that the fact our D being pretty poor made Tryamkin look better.

 

Is Tryamkin "closing himself off" to the Canucks, who knows, he seems to lack maturity and the way he conducted that interview was not indicative of a player who wanted to let Canucks fans know how he was getting on or what he may see in the future." If he does come back I hope he doesn't "pretend" to not understand English and the Canucks give him some media training. (although from past form he would probably accuse the Canucks of singling him out for unfair treatment - again)

 

All in all just another CDC $&!#storm in a tea cup.

 

he's voicing completely uninformed, irresponsible opinions. furthermore, I didn't say he was a liar, I said his lack of credibility makes it so you can't accept what he says at face value. are his claims and opinions true? who knows? all I know is that I won't be taking this hack's word for it. he's forming his own narrative with no first hand information. every bit of information relating to tryamkin and the canucks has been filtered through the lens of mass media and then sullied with speculation and conjecture. basically, these bloggists drink their own kool-aid. they invent a premise for a story based on speculation rather than fact and then run with it. 

 

it's important to note that I don't give a damn about tryamkin one way or another. the guy, in my opinion, is hugely overrated on this website. my issue is solely with people irresponsibly publishing their own baseless opinions for others to read, because people in general are idiots and just accept what they read in an "article" as the truth, rather than just needless speculation and conjecture built on a basis of the same. 

 

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Young guy, newly married and with some significant culture shock.  He had the option of playing here or in his home and make millions of dollars doing either.

 

We champion the home town kid that comes home, if BC is their home but, if it doesn't favour us he is a traitor.  That logic doesn't fly with me.  

 

Russians are always a higher risk, that is why they slip in the draft.  Tryamkin is still a decent D prospect, he has some great tools and could be playing in the league now but that is part of the risk calculation in taking any player especially a Russian.  Even with all that he still is worth a low draft pic and arguably has already given a very good return on the investment of a lower pic.

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On 5/17/2018 at 9:20 AM, cuporbust said:

They all did. Willie was the worst though. I dont care how many good things he did , the rediculous ice time and roster moves he made made him the worst coach we have had in recent memory IMO. He was horrible overall. 

As a supposed NHL coach Willie was bizarre. No match ups...strange decisions on ice time. 

 

It really is shocking this guy even continues to work at anything other than the junior level imo.

 

Sorry...this is totally off topic in the Tryamkin thread.

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5 hours ago, tas said:

he's voicing completely uninformed, irresponsible opinions. furthermore, I didn't say he was a liar, I said his lack of credibility makes it so you can't accept what he says at face value. are his claims and opinions true? who knows? all I know is that I won't be taking this hack's word for it. he's forming his own narrative with no first hand information. every bit of information relating to tryamkin and the canucks has been filtered through the lens of mass media and then sullied with speculation and conjecture. basically, these bloggists drink their own kool-aid. they invent a premise for a story based on speculation rather than fact and then run with it. 

 

it's important to note that I don't give a damn about tryamkin one way or another. the guy, in my opinion, is hugely overrated on this website. my issue is solely with people irresponsibly publishing their own baseless opinions for others to read, because people in general are idiots and just accept what they read in an "article" as the truth, rather than just needless speculation and conjecture built on a basis of the same. 

 

Tas we will just have to agree to differ on this one. I don't see it like you do.

I feel there is a double standard here. If the chap had got the interview and the blogger had relayed a whole lot of positives, CDC would not have given a damn that he wasn't an actual journalist. There is more than the bloggers drinking their own kool-aid.

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19 minutes ago, alfstonker said:

Tas we will just have to agree to differ on this one. I don't see it like you do.

I feel there is a double standard here. If the chap had got the interview and the blogger had relayed a whole lot of positives, CDC would not have given a damn that he wasn't an actual journalist. There is more than the bloggers drinking their own kool-aid.

the problem is this: the guy made an enormous, assumptive leap in logic and then based an entire blog post on that assumption as if it was a known fact. he decided that this one guy allegedly being denied an interview meant that tryamkin was freezing out canucks media as a whole (which is a wild, baseless assumption to make, not to mention petty), and then used that premise as the entire basis for his blog. that is piss poor, unethical "journalism" at best. 

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41 minutes ago, alfstonker said:

Tas we will just have to agree to differ on this one. I don't see it like you do.

I feel there is a double standard here. If the chap had got the interview and the blogger had relayed a whole lot of positives, CDC would not have given a damn that he wasn't an actual journalist. There is more than the bloggers drinking their own kool-aid.

“If the chap had got the interveiw”... a positive OR  negative interveiw would have been something for us to speculate about.   But there was no interveiw..  and we are left speculating about a bloggers opinion without any substance, other than the fact Nik slammed the door on him.

The kid really is only drinking his own kool-aid.    No substance,  nota word,..  english or russian.

 

Personally I think the blogger should have filed a “hurt feelings report” to Canucks Army :(.

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13 hours ago, Blömqvist said:

So uhh.... my question might be a bit off topic but..... uhhh..... how did Tryamkin do playing in the World Championships?

 

Tryamkin was pretty good against weaker opponents in the first three games, he played over 17 minutes against Belarus. Later on his playing time was significantly decreased, he was criticized for the mistake leading to the Jaskin's goal for Czechs, he was benched during the game against Slovakia and did not play in the last two games (both losses) against Sweden and Canada. In general, this was the first time Tryamkin had participated on such high international level with best players in the game, this was great learning experience for his development. As the Russian team coach Vorobiev said, Nikita played for the first time for the national team in the worlds, obviously Tryamkin did not have enough experience but Nikita would be fine going forward.

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1 hour ago, Stierlitz said:

Tryamkin was pretty good against weaker opponents in the first three games, he played over 17 minutes against Belarus. Later on his playing time was significantly decreased, he was criticized for the mistake leading to the Jaskin's goal for Czechs, he was benched during the game against Slovakia and did not play in the last two games (both losses) against Sweden and Canada. In general, this was the first time Tryamkin had participated on such high international level with best players in the game, this was great learning experience for his development. As the Russian team coach Vorobiev said, Nikita played for the first time for the national team in the worlds, obviously Tryamkin did not have enough experience but Nikita would be fine going forward.

Thanks for the update! +1 and give yourself a pat on the back, good sir!

 

Hopefully Tryamkin learned as much as he could playing on the international stage. Especially from Pavel Datsyuk. The ins and outs of being a pro and everyday preparation.

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