Popular Post CanucksJay Posted June 16, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Yes, I am saying Del Zotto and Sbisa are current better NHL Dmen than Tryamkin. Does Tryamkin have the potential to get better, sure....but it isn't going to happen for him in the KHL and he will have to work his way up...including being open to AHL if that is what coaching/management think best for his development. I actually think Tryamkin is better than MDZ or Sbisa currently not potentially 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said: My point was I would have rather have seen Tryamkin developing, than either of those 2 making as many mistakes as they do. All things being equal Tryamkin does all of the same things those guys can, plus his physical game and ability to change the way attackers enter the zone is superior. I totally agree with you but he made the decision to bolt back to the KHL (or his wife did) so it is moot and he is NOT getting more ready for the NHL spending these key development years in the KHL where actual defending is often optional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: I actually think Tryamkin is better than MDZ or Sbisa currently not potentially Fair enough, we disagree. I think Tryamkin has a lot of coaching to absorb before he is a regular, consistent NHL Dman which the other two players are. Neither are superstars but there is a reason both still have NHL jobs....they do what they are asked to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 14 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: I totally agree with you but he made the decision to bolt back to the KHL (or his wife did) so it is moot and he is NOT getting more ready for the NHL spending these key development years in the KHL where actual defending is often optional. Ah yes. let's have a conversation about a moot point There really is only one positive to him playing in the KHL and that is his gaining confidence and ability to rush the puck up ice. Green loves his D-men to rush the puck, he just doesn't have anyone who can do it. Time and space are greatly limited in the NHL so it won't always translate, but the ability to put teams on their heals is sorely lacking from this team. It's the reason we'll likely draft Hughes or Boqvist this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 1 hour ago, CanucksJay said: I actually think Tryamkin is better than MDZ or Sbisa currently not potentially I think you want him to be, so you cut out all the raw material and only keep the parts that reinforce that. He's got great potential and I loved how his game was coming along, but he's got a fair bit of developing to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, stawns said: I think you want him to be, so you cut out all the raw material and only keep the parts that reinforce that. He's got great potential and I loved how his game was coming along, but he's got a fair bit of developing to go. Nope. When WD was forced to play Tryamkin due to the pile up of injuries, Tryamkin more than answered the bell and held his own. He's now developed ever further in the KHL making the all-star team. At this point, if him, MDZ, and Sbisa were on the team, I would play him over the latter 2. What's even better is that Tryamkin is still developing and will be an even better player down the road. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirotashi Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 5 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: We k, I’ll bite. Did you watch any feed of him this past year? He remains an adventure in his own end and often makes a hit thst is so Ill-timed that he is out of position for a goal or at least a couple of good chances. He is, IMHO, blessed with all the tools but not yet a for sure NHL Dman. Again, IMHO, opinions such as yours are part of his legend. You pick a game and point to that as his consistent self. I am curious why so many are so heavily invested in this guy? He is an intriguing prospect but is often talked about as a top pairing lock that is currently better than the Canucks current top 4. That simply isn’t the case from a hockey point of view. From a cult of personality and intrigue factor, sure. Good kid with all the tools. Would be great to see him give the show a try again but he is far from a lock to be more than a guy who fights for 5 to 6th minutes - the potential for more is there but a lot of work has to happen to get there. He had 25 points in the KHL, he made the allstar team in the KHL, he was named player of the month for 3months or maybe 2? He only got better in the KHL not worse. Where some players go back to the KHL and basically sulk, he went back and got better and hey he still likes us. Hes not a lock for anything until camp, but technichally who is a lock? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Rob_Zepp said: Fair enough, we disagree. I think Tryamkin has a lot of coaching to absorb before he is a regular, consistent NHL Dman which the other two players are. Neither are superstars but there is a reason both still have NHL jobs....they do what they are asked to do. Agree with you completely! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Shirotashi said: He had 25 points in the KHL, he made the allstar team in the KHL, he was named player of the month for 3months or maybe 2? He only got better in the KHL not worse. Where some players go back to the KHL and basically sulk, he went back and got better and hey he still likes us. Hes not a lock for anything until camp, but technichally who is a lock? KHL is in no way a comparable league to NHL, we’ve seen some guys come over from great stats in the KHL and completely wash out in NHL! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirotashi Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: KHL is in no way a comparable league to NHL, we’ve seen some guys come over from great stats in the KHL and completely wash out in NHL! I just argue hes better than when we last had him sir, he had 109 penalty mins too. Edited June 16, 2018 by Shirotashi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 I thought he started well and then tapered off last year. Let's not forget that he is still very young. His conditioning probably still needs work. It would be nice to get him here sooner then latter. He will be a work in progress but the sky is the limit with this guy. There is not many players is size that are that mobile. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirotashi Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Just now, appleboy said: I thought he started well and then tapered off last year. Let's not forget that he is still very young. His conditioning probably still needs work. It would be nice to get him here sooner then latter. He will be a work in progress but the sky is the limit with this guy. There is not many players is size that are that mobile. Agreed he needs work, the faster we can get him around pros to train him the better. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, Shirotashi said: Agreed he needs work, the faster we can get him around pros to train him the better. He was here, he had pros around to train him. He didn't like it, he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, gurn said: He was here, he had pros around to train him. He didn't like it, he left. WD is gone now though. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: WD is gone now though. imo 90% or more NHL coachs would have done it the same way Willie did. Tryamkin was a project player with tantalizing tools and may have become a very good D man. Unfortunately he came in overweight and out of shape plus he wanted more than he had earned, then he decided to go home, where it was easier for he and his wife. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Shirotashi said: He had 25 points in the KHL, he made the allstar team in the KHL, he was named player of the month for 3months or maybe 2? He only got better in the KHL not worse. Where some players go back to the KHL and basically sulk, he went back and got better and hey he still likes us. Hes not a lock for anything until camp, but technichally who is a lock? Vey had 52 pts in 50 games there. Should we briing him back and make him our #1 center? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 "Tryamkin is a better player than most of our current defense, here's unrefutable proof!" *Posts 2 fights and a basic rush against KHL defenders 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 43 minutes ago, Alflives said: WD is gone now though. Do you think Green would just hand him top pair? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alflives Posted June 16, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2018 Just now, Baggins said: Do you think Green would just hand him top pair? I think Green is better at reading what each player needs. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Recently when he said something to the effect of 'Goldy also has to fight through that anti-Russian bias' (it wasn't said nearly as strongly as that - it was much more subtle, but that was the intent) it felt like it confirmed a bunch of things for me. He needs a Larionov in his life (like Goldy) who knows what it takes and can be a voice of reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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