VegasCanuck Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Shirotashi said: I just argue hes better than when we last had him sir, he had 109 penalty mins too. I’m just hoping he hasn’t lowered his arc by not being coached and trained in the best league in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirotashi Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 48 minutes ago, Baggins said: Vey had 52 pts in 50 games there. Should we briing him back and make him our #1 center? Ok I agree with you stats don't matter in any league but the NHL so theres really nothing special about Pettersson than according to your own logic? Hes just a nobody. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, Alflives said: I think Green is better at reading what each player needs. Therein lies the problem. Try wants one thing: top ice time. Do you think Green coaches according to what a player wants or what a player needs? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Just now, Baggins said: Therein lies the problem. Try wants one thing: top ice time. Do you think Green coaches according to what a player wants or what a player needs? Exactly. Tryamkin needed to be coached properly for him, and WD didn’t figure it out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirotashi Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Baggins said: Therein lies the problem. Try wants one thing: top ice time. Do you think Green coaches according to what a player wants or what a player needs? If I were Green I would give the man the ice time he demands, let him hang himself on his own leash. Maybe he succeeds though I cant think of a reason he cant be in the top 4 by December. Maybe sooner. Edited June 17, 2018 by Shirotashi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Shirotashi said: If I were Green I would give the man the ice time he demands, let him hang himself on his own leash. Maybe he succeeds though I cant think of a reason he cant be in the top 4 by December. Maybe sooner. Plus, Nikita plays the right side. Green would get the best out of Tryamkin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Just now, Shirotashi said: Ok I agree with you stats don't matter in any league but the NHL so theres really nothing special about Pettersson than according to your own logic? Hes just a nobody. Did Try break a 40 year old league record outproducing numerous past NHL stars? Nope. Try put up .5 pts per game in an inferior league. Hardly anything to write home about. Give it up kid, you're clutching at straws here. 2 minutes ago, Shirotashi said: If I were Green I would give the man the ice time he demands, let him hang himself on his own leash. Maybe he succeeds though I cant think of a reason he cant be in the top 4 by December. Maybe sooner. And the moment Try isn't getting top minutes he's crying all the way home again. A coaches job is to coach and get the best out of his players. Not coddle and buckle to unearned demands. What would it say to every other player on the team? Whine and the coach will give you what you want. You don't let the inmates run the assylum. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 1 hour ago, gurn said: He was here, he had pros around to train him. He didn't like it, he left. He was newly married. They both struggled with English. He was just not ready the culture shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Alflives said: Exactly. Tryamkin needed to be coached properly for him, and WD didn’t figure it out. You need some comprehension help. Try doesn't seem to want to be coached, he just wants top ice time. That's very simple: do what the coach asks and you'll likely get more ice time. Ignore what the coach wants and you definitely won't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, appleboy said: He was newly married. They both struggled with English. He was just not ready the culture shock. He was not ready to play, he finally got in shape enough to play a bit and he played ok for a rookie. Not outstanding, not even very well, just ok. The future was looking good for him and then he and his wife decided to go back to Russia and start moaning about his "treatment". If he has grown as a person then he is worth bringing over to compete for a job. I also want to know his actual weight before he comes. NO promises. Prove you are better than most or you will be better than them shortly. 3 pairing start. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baggins Posted June 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, Shirotashi said: Ok I agree with you stats don't matter in any league but the NHL so theres really nothing special about Pettersson than according to your own logic? Hes just a nobody. I'll add to this - Remember that useless Philip Larsen everybody complained about here? He led all KHL d-men with 38 pts in 54 games. Remember that uselss guy, Marc-Andre Gragnani, that came over in the Kassian deal? He was tied 2nd among KHL d-men with 35 points in 55 games. When you toss in guys like Vey and Dawes among the forward leaders in the KHL you'll have to excuse me for not being impressed with Try's 25 points in what I consider an inferior league. Pettersson outproduced guys who went on to be NHL stars and set records. Try didn't outproduce NHL rejects in the K. So I fail to see the comparison. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Shirotashi said: He had 25 points in the KHL, he made the allstar team in the KHL, he was named player of the month for 3months or maybe 2? He only got better in the KHL not worse. Where some players go back to the KHL and basically sulk, he went back and got better and hey he still likes us. Hes not a lock for anything until camp, but technichally who is a lock? Philip Larssen was an all-star, Linden Vey was a leading scorer.....those stats by the big guy don't mean squat in translation to the NHL. Again, kid is talented but this KHL life is NOT helping him develop the way he needs to if he really wants another shot at NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 48 minutes ago, Shirotashi said: Ok I agree with you stats don't matter in any league but the NHL so theres really nothing special about Pettersson than according to your own logic? Hes just a nobody. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Getting points isn’t really Tryamkins game so quit trying to compare him to KHL point producing failed NHL projects. He’ll play a good possession and defensive game as he gets older. Hopefully for our Canucks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 54 minutes ago, Shirotashi said: If I were Green I would give the man the ice time he demands, let him hang himself on his own leash. Maybe he succeeds though I cant think of a reason he cant be in the top 4 by December. Maybe sooner. Because he has 2 more years on his contract in Russia? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirotashi Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Its a cute response but it makes no sense its not apples and oranges I don't think the Swedish league is miles ahead of the KHL im not sure I follow you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: Getting points isn’t really Tryamkins game so quit trying to compare him to KHL point producing failed NHL projects. He’ll play a good possession and defensive game as he gets older. Hopefully for our Canucks. I wasn't trying. I actually did make the comparison as a result of the claim that he was a better version of Chara. A baseless claim. The KHL point leaders and numbers are rather easy to find after all. I hope he eventually comes back as well. He'll need to check his ego at the door though. Otherwise he can stay home and play in his mediocre league as far as I'm concerned. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirotashi Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Baggins said: I'll add to this - Remember that useless Philip Larsen everybody complained about here? He led all KHL d-men with 38 pts in 54 games. Remember that uselss guy, Marc-Andre Gragnani, that came over in the Kassian deal? He was tied 2nd among KHL d-men with 35 points in 55 games. When you toss in guys like Vey and Dawes among the forward leaders in the KHL you'll have to excuse me for not being impressed with Try's 25 points in what I consider an inferior league. Pettersson outproduced guys who went on to be NHL stars and set records. Try didn't outproduce NHL rejects in the K. So I fail to see the comparison. He DID however rip through the ducks, their an NHL team right? I cant remember? I think size is one of the factors in wether or not the skill transfers, a very important one. It will be interesting to see how both Pettersson who I think is under weight for his frame and Tryamkin whos grit and toughness have been proven play their seasons out. Edited June 17, 2018 by Shirotashi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Baggins said: I wasn't trying. I actually did make the comparison as a result of the claim that he was a better version of Chara. A baseless claim. The KHL point leaders and numbers are rather easy to find after all. I hope he eventually comes back as well. He'll need to check his ego at the door though. Otherwise he can stay home and play in his mediocre league as far as I'm concerned. For sure.. as do we all. He's huge, NHL-caliber and his ceiling is hard to pin point. However, it sure is hard to discuss reasonable expectations in the face of people who paint him as some hard done by martyr / future savior. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Baggins said: Did Try break a 40 year old league record outproducing numerous past NHL stars? Nope. Try put up .5 pts per game in an inferior league. Hardly anything to write home about. Give it up kid, you're clutching at straws here. And the moment Try isn't getting top minutes he's crying all the way home again. A coaches job is to coach and get the best out of his players. Not coddle and buckle to unearned demands. What would it say to every other player on the team? Whine and the coach will give you what you want. You don't let the inmates run the assylum. Tryamkin has been the best looking defensive D man we have drafted since Bourdon. His first full year was perfect for his first, he out shined many on the roster above him, and if Desjardins would have deployed and played him effectively, before injuries had forced his hand, Tryamkin would have still been here. i do think that the way Desjardins handled Tryamkin, compared to our other young prospects, is one of the reasons that got him fired. It was well deserved. .. but consistently throwing Tryamkin under the bus, citing “out of shape” was a demoralizing thing to do for 4 months to a young man who had just left his hometown in Russia for the first time. Am I saying Tryamkin should have been handled slightly differently?.. yes I am. He will return, the kid is goal orientated, has a huge heart, and loyal to his word.. he just needs to be handled fairly. Never have I sat on the edge of my seat like I have watching a D man on the Canucks, as I have watching Tryamkin against some of the NHL’s power forwards.. he is young exciting prospect without a ceiling for his potential in the NHL. Edited June 17, 2018 by SilentSam 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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