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4 minutes ago, pluralsight said:

Why though? Cause he's 6'7? 

When he 'rushed' the puck it was not poetry in motion, but was a lot of fun to watch. When he cleared the front of the net it was sublime. When ( not often ) he got mad, anything could happen. His size exaggerated everything, especially with that under sized helmet perched on the top of his very big head ! Loved him  on the ice !

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3 minutes ago, SingleThorn said:

When he 'rushed' the puck it was not poetry in motion, but was a lot of fun to watch. When he cleared the front of the net it was sublime. When ( not often ) he got mad, anything could happen. His size exaggerated everything, especially with that under sized helmet perched on the top of his very big head ! Loved him  on the ice !

Fair explanation. Like I said, I liked Tryamkin but if he doesn't want to be here nor does he want to put in the work to be an everyday NHLer, it would be unfair to the rest of the team to just hand him the minutes he is comfortable with. 

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2 hours ago, pluralsight said:

Not sure why there is this obsession on hoping that Tryamkin comes back. Don't get me wrong, he showed fairly well during his time here, but based on his comments after bolting for the KHL he clearly didn't want to be here nor the NHL. Why would you want someone who doesn't want to put in the work to be an everyday NHLer nor is a team player? If his attitude hasn't changed, I say good riddance. There are plenty of other guys who would fight tooth and nail to wear the blue and green and would be happy to do so. 

The better question might be:

 

Will we even have room for him if he wants back?

 

Assuming we re-sign Edler, we'll have Edler, Hutton, Juolevi as left side depth, Hughes, Brisebois and Rathbone can play both sides iirc (as can Tryamkin), (assuming Tanev is gone after next year) Gudbranson, Stecher and then Woo, maybe Chatfield likely knocking on the door... That's a lot of capable bodies for 8'ish spots and it doesn't include the very real possibility of targeting someone in free agency (Myers, Karlsson etc) or trading some of our F depth for a D.

 

And I have to assume he's not keen on coming back for a 6-8 D depth role....

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7 hours ago, Boudrias said:

I believe the KHL still plays a 60 game sched. If they rotate their 8 d-men equally then Tryamkin gets 45 games in the year as long as he has no injuries. Quite frankly this is a joke compared to the NHL. Career wise going back to Russia was a huge mistake. If he sticks to his promise and plays out his contract it will be another year gone. Many fans are projecting him into a top 4 d-man spot. He might be capable of that but is Vancouver willing to wait? It is just not the issue of getting him up to NHL speed but it is about integrating him into a Canuck style of fast skating and puck movement. Sorry but the KHL style does not impress me. If Benning gets a trade offer on Tryamkin it might just take it.  

 

1 hour ago, aGENT said:

The better question might be:

 

Will we even have room for him if he wants back?

 

Assuming we re-sign Edler, we'll have Edler, Hutton, Juolevi as left side depth, Hughes, Brisebois and Rathbone can play both sides iirc (as can Tryamkin), (assuming Tanev is gone after next year) Gudbranson, Stecher and then Woo, maybe Chatfield likely knocking on the door... That's a lot of capable bodies for 8'ish spots and it doesn't include the very real possibility of targeting someone in free agency (Myers, Karlsson etc) or trading some of our F depth for a D.

 

And I have to assume he's not keen on coming back for a 6-8 D depth role....

I think next season (19-20) might be the perfect opportunity for Nik to return..   l think you guys will agree that the 20-21 season will have our D core pretty well set for this franchise. 

Having said that,  let’s keep in mind that this is hockey, and anything could happen.. even if Tryamkin was to join the ranks in the 20-21 season, I think his play would have him getting great minutes, let’s not forget that he is playing in a professional league and not college.. and anyone who can rag doll Jamie Benn without really throwing a mitt, could play on my team.

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7 hours ago, coastal.view said:

why do you need to manufacture excuses for this guy ?

Tryamkin would easily slide in as our #3 defenseman right now. Plus he would be either the first or second most feared player on the team. 

No excuses - he is already better than the majority of our defense and he has played one NHL season. I wonder if you'll be able to get a new coastal.view of Tryamkin when he's on our top defensive pairing in 2021?  

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22 minutes ago, Slegr said:

Tryamkin would easily slide in as our #3 defenseman right now. Plus he would be either the first or second most feared player on the team. 

No excuses - he is already better than the majority of our defense and he has played one NHL season. I wonder if you'll be able to get a new coastal.view of Tryamkin when he's on our top defensive pairing in 2021?  

I haven't seen him play in 2 years now, but I don't think he is better than Edler, Tanev, or Hutton at this point.  Let's remember that Philip Larsen was the best defenseman in the KHL and was the worst on our team.  That league is not 1 small step below the NHL it is 2 or 3 giant leaps.  Nigel Dawes leads his team in scoring and, sadly, the league.  Very difficult to determine where he would fit in.

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10 hours ago, coastal.view said:

right

there is a whole professional league of very tall players

who are in excellent shape and stay in shape year round

they are professionals

why do you need to manufacture excuses for this guy ?

 

I'm not sure if peoples memories are just really short or if reality is just blurry. My take on the Tram situation is: He came into camp out of shape. He fully admitted that. The KHL pre-season is about a month long and players play their way into shape. In the NHL they get less than 2 weeks to work their way into the season.

 

He lost a significant amount of weight during the early portion of the season (reported 8% body fat give or take) and worked his into the lineup. He gets a ton of flak for not taking a conditioning stint in Utica, when it can be argued, that sending him across the continent to play in a lesser league, may not have made any difference at all considering the progress he was making in Vancouver.

 

When he was able to take a regular shift he was progressing well. Injuries that season, propelled him into a prominent role for stretches of the season and if not for the coaching (sorry Alfstonker) he would have been given the opportunity that he earned. 

 

He needs to learn the North American game, in particular the unwritten rules, but he is exactly what this team needs. You can't teach 6'7' with a stick that reaches further than the attacker can anticipate. I certainly hope he makes it back to Vancouver, because he is a game changing player.

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6 hours ago, SilentSam said:

 

I think next season (19-20) might be the perfect opportunity for Nik to return..   l think you guys will agree that the 20-21 season will have our D core pretty well set for this franchise. 

Having said that,  let’s keep in mind that this is hockey, and anything could happen.. even if Tryamkin was to join the ranks in the 20-21 season, I think his play would have him getting great minutes, let’s not forget that he is playing in a professional league and not college.. and anyone who can rag doll Jamie Benn without really throwing a mitt, could play on my team.

Problem being if he follows through on his statement of fulfilling his contract as he stated he would. I agree there's far more room next year even if it were for nothing else than to up his trade value before the other guys arrive (or steal one of their future spots). But two years from now..?

 

5 hours ago, Dixon Ward said:

I haven't seen him play in 2 years now, but I don't think he is better than Edler, Tanev, or Hutton at this point.  Let's remember that Philip Larsen was the best defenseman in the KHL and was the worst on our team.  That league is not 1 small step below the NHL it is 2 or 3 giant leaps.  Nigel Dawes leads his team in scoring and, sadly, the league.  Very difficult to determine where he would fit in.

I put him behind those three and Gudbranson (with a chance of moving past him and Hutton a possibility). Roughly on par with Stecher (albeit obviously a different skill set/tool box).

 

Like I said a couple posts ago, as a 6-8 guy (which could easily happen after adding Hughes and/or a UFA/another prospect), does he even bother coming back?

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16 hours ago, aGENT said:

The better question might be:

 

Will we even have room for him if he wants back?

 

Assuming we re-sign Edler, we'll have Edler, Hutton, Juolevi as left side depth, Hughes, Brisebois and Rathbone can play both sides iirc (as can Tryamkin), (assuming Tanev is gone after next year) Gudbranson, Stecher and then Woo, maybe Chatfield likely knocking on the door... That's a lot of capable bodies for 8'ish spots and it doesn't include the very real possibility of targeting someone in free agency (Myers, Karlsson etc) or trading some of our F depth for a D.

 

And I have to assume he's not keen on coming back for a 6-8 D depth role....

My only concern on your depth chart is that both Gubranson and Hutton have to be resigned along with Edler. Interesting times.

The biggest issue I see with Tryamkin is what I expect his expectation will be coming back to the NHL. He was a 3 year vet of the KHL when he first came over and he wanted TOI of at least 20 minutes. That was an expectation of top 4 TOI as a rookie. If he comes back who's TOI will he be taking? If he doesn't get the TOI does he become disruptive? His common refrain that I heard from him was that he had to be better than his team mates because he was Russian. A not very disguised suggestion of prejudice against Russians. In the end Benning will have to decide whether Tryamkin's potential is worth it or not. 

 

I agree with you that if another year goes by the org depth could easily have Tryamkin in a bottom pairing if he returned. The possible caveat would be a resigned Edler having his TOI reduced into sub 20 TOI. IMHO more balanced TOI with the d-core pairings makes more sense. Not only does it give ice to a younger group but mitigates the almost inevitable string of injuries the group seems to experience EVERY year.

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1 hour ago, Boudrias said:

His common refrain that I heard from him was that he had to be better than his team mates because he was Russian. A not very disguised suggestion of prejudice against Russians.

I heard him say Goldy has to overcome the same problems.

At least Goldy always has Larionov over-talking him and making him sound like he understands what he needs to do to succeed here (work hard, back check, forecheck, pay attention)

 

“I’m in touch with Nikolay Goldobin, he calls me, we keep in touch. He proved he can play well, I’m happy for him. Somehow he’s still being smothered, still influenced by the Russian factor, this cannot be avoided.”

 

I want tryamkin back as much as anybody, but that belief/attitude will ruin his ability to succeed here, Larionov could probably grind it out of him.

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10 minutes ago, nzan said:

I heard him say Goldy has to overcome the same problems.

At least Goldy always has Larionov over-talking him and making him sound like he understands what he needs to do to succeed here (work hard, back check, forecheck, pay attention)

 

“I’m in touch with Nikolay Goldobin, he calls me, we keep in touch. He proved he can play well, I’m happy for him. Somehow he’s still being smothered, still influenced by the Russian factor, this cannot be avoided.”

 

I want tryamkin back as much as anybody, but that belief/attitude will ruin his ability to succeed here, Larionov could probably grind it out of him.

Who gives a f---k!

 

We are on our way, Goldy is rebuilding his game as he needs to do and doing well and Tryamkin is a distant memory of someone who is on the verge of being forgotten. He will be telling his kids he played for the mighty Canucks for a couple of seasons and they will ask "Was that when they won the cups?"  And he will say, "get to bed, I don't want to talk about it"

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2 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:

Tryamkin is probably making under 1 million per year there

There's a lot of reasons for him to come back.

Under one million there is a good chunk of change considering the lack of taxes, I think 13 percent is russia's tax rate, lower cost of living, and no paying into escrow is very attractive from a buisiness stand point. We would probably have to offer him something that would get his competitive juices going like playing with hughes to get him back over here. 

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16 hours ago, Dixon Ward said:

I haven't seen him play in 2 years now, but I don't think he is better than Edler, Tanev, or Hutton at this point.  Let's remember that Philip Larsen was the best defenseman in the KHL and was the worst on our team.  That league is not 1 small step below the NHL it is 2 or 3 giant leaps.  Nigel Dawes leads his team in scoring and, sadly, the league.  Very difficult to determine where he would fit in.

Get dazn dixon. They run khl games on their app and automobilist is one of the feature teams. 

It is a different league over there because size doen't matter as much on their ice as it does here. It is a very good league though and the quality of talent isn't two or three giant leaps below.

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1 hour ago, alfstonker said:

Who gives a f---k!

 

We are on our way, Goldy is rebuilding his game as he needs to do and doing well and Tryamkin is a distant memory of someone who is on the verge of being forgotten. He will be telling his kids he played for the mighty Canucks for a couple of seasons and they will ask "Was that when they won the cups?"  And he will say, "get to bed, I don't want to talk about it"

Haha, fair point.

It occurs to me that some of the metamorphosis of Goldy’s game can be attributed to correct thinking from Larionov.

Of course that’s just a personal assumption, but if he could do the same for Tryamkin I’d happily have him on our cup teams.

 

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27 minutes ago, nzan said:

Haha, fair point.

It occurs to me that some of the metamorphosis of Goldy’s game can be attributed to correct thinking from Larionov.

Of course that’s just a personal assumption, but if he could do the same for Tryamkin I’d happily have him on our cup teams.

 

I think you're right. However it is hard to turn a player against the wishes of his wife and that seems to be the end of the Tryamkin "fairy tale"

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