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8 hours ago, Sweathog said:

(It won't let me quote your post for some reason so I'll just respond.)

 

I'll lay it out simply for you:

 

I want this team to win the cup first and foremost. Imo to do that we not only need talented players, but we also need these players to have strong character. The actions of Tryamkin in his full season here, and his decision to leave has caused me to question his character quite frankly. Just like a lot of people on these boards questioned Jake's when he was sent down to Utica. Jake however has displayed the type of character I like to see on this team by rallying and working his way back to the lineup, unlike Nikita.

 

Sounds like the kid 'broke my heart?'

Hardly lol, nice try though. If he went back to Russia because he's homesick, then I hope he's happy. And I wish him the best of luck. If he left because of ice time and those character issues, then we dodged a bullet AFAIC. So either way it's a win-win for me, no broken hearts over here ;)

 

 

You're questioning his character, yet have you ever moved across the world to a country you know nothing about, can barely speak the language (so you probably have a tough time even understanding your boss), have a wife that is about to have a kid, who cant speak the language, you have no support from your company and you're learning how to work in the new organization (ie expectations of being in elite shape vs Russia).


When you've done that, let us know about 'your character' guy.....a bit of a leap when you've never experienced what he did.

 

Not to mention, he didn't break his contract, he lived up to it, and most people here, objectively saw a player really growing over that time. Once his contract is up, just like anyone on this planet, he has a choice of where he wants to work. For now, it wasn't here....it doesn't mean he doesn't have character, it means he's doing right by his family given the reasons he provided.

 

You sound butthurt bro, really. So if your boss is treating you like crap, you're in another country, all of the above (culture shock, language,etc), you're telling me you wouldn't think about going home and reconsidering your decision?

 

Give me a break

 

Oh and as for character, seems he is an assistant captain and interim C on his team. Says alot to me. You're projecting what you think happened vs reality, then complaining about it.

 

He lived up to his contract. If you believe players HAVE to stay with the team that drafted them for life, even after their contract is up, well I guess you think every UFA who leaves to another team has no character. Absurd. It's their right.

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14 hours ago, vannuck59 said:

Another entitled  Russian ,really! Trade his rights get a pick and move on.

Entitled? to what? Entitled because he chose to play out his contract and not re-sign and go home for personal reasons? Yes he's entitled to do that since he lived up to his contract and didn't sign a new one. Thus he was entitled to do as he pleased.

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1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

You....really don't have a clue what you're talking about do you?

 

You think Boeser is a good skater....that's amusing.  He's awkward, like incredibly awkward.  

 

He's a better skater than anyone on that list not named Virtanen.  His size and skating ability and even his edge work put him in the top 5 on this team.  If you'd actually watched him play consistently you'd understand that

 

If you think otherwise then....

 

lol

He may be stronger on his feet then EP but EP is probably the better overall skater between him and Tram

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7 hours ago, SilentSam said:

The actions of Tryamkin in his full season here, and his decision to leave has caused me to question his character quite frankly”.

 

To quote you above,.   Do you not think that Benning realized the issues at hand and got to the root of where those issues came from?

I will leave you with your simple and almost cliche’ ick opinion of a player.. 

But your patronage of a “Coach can do no wrong” or have no influence over a player is laughable.

 

Obviously it did not go unseen by upper Management and possibly ownership.. especially When they did offer the player a new 2 year deal..  

and the back door to the Coach... Obviously Upper Management questioned the Character of the Coach,  and the Player.. they tried to keep the player because they wanted him,.  Not the Coach.

Kapeesh??

Now if that’s not “laying it out simply” for you,. I might suggest you put down your kaleidoscope.

 

Jake in his rookie year even questioned WD.. went to Utica.

...Not unlike Tryamkin in his rookie year, but in a new country, needed to regroup and take the step back to people and a team he trusted.

 

My opinion on all of this:

I truly believe that Benning wanted to get rid of Desjardins around the Christmas before the end of the season  that he was fired in.

 

Besides WD’s deployment issues, his favoritisim of some players and poor handling of others was clearly evident.

Benning saw this.. practically all of the CDC talked about it.

 

I truly believe that Linden protected Desjardins from that firing happening before the end of that Season.

The one we lost Tryamkin’s trust in.

The rest is history..  2 men got Fired.

and we still have a great looking prospect who might one day come back to this Team. :towel:

 

 

 

Looks like we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this issue. Which is fine to me, you have your point of view and I have mine, and I can respect the fact that you have a different opinion than me.

 

But to be clear, I don't think that Willie could do no wrong. I even acknowledged in a previous post to you that he made his share of mistakes.

 

Could he come back and prove me wrong? Absolutely, I have my opinion but am fully aware of the possibility that I could be wrong. And if he does in fact do that then I will happily admit to that fact. But the reasons I've stated earlier has raised some red flags for me, I believe those misgivings are justified, and I have the right to say so. I hope I'm wrong, I really do, but only time will tell.

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37 minutes ago, 40Dangles said:

You're questioning his character, yet have you ever moved across the world to a country you know nothing about, can barely speak the language (so you probably have a tough time even understanding your boss), have a wife that is about to have a kid, who cant speak the language, you have no support from your company and you're learning how to work in the new organization (ie expectations of being in elite shape vs Russia).


When you've done that, let us know about 'your character' guy.....a bit of a leap when you've never experienced what he did.

 

Not to mention, he didn't break his contract, he lived up to it, and most people here, objectively saw a player really growing over that time. Once his contract is up, just like anyone on this planet, he has a choice of where he wants to work. For now, it wasn't here....it doesn't mean he doesn't have character, it means he's doing right by his family given the reasons he provided.

 

You sound butthurt bro, really. So if your boss is treating you like crap, you're in another country, all of the above (culture shock, language,etc), you're telling me you wouldn't think about going home and reconsidering your decision?

 

Give me a break

 

Oh and as for character, seems he is an assistant captain and interim C on his team. Says alot to me. You're projecting what you think happened vs reality, then complaining about it.

 

He lived up to his contract. If you believe players HAVE to stay with the team that drafted them for life, even after their contract is up, well I guess you think every UFA who leaves to another team has no character. Absurd. It's their right.

I never once said that playing over here was supposed to be easy for Tryamkin. Nor did I ever insinuate that he broke his contract, or that he didn't have the right to leave after his contract was over.

 

For reasons I've already said, I have doubts about his character and I haven't changed my mind. That's my opinion, and I have a right to that opinion.

 

You know nothing about me, about what I have experienced or not experienced in life, so don't even begin to think that you do. Butthurt?! Lol, someone triggered because of a different opinion, looks like the pot calling the kettle black to me.

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1 minute ago, Sweathog said:

I never once said that playing over here was supposed to be easy for Tryamkin. Nor did I ever insinuate that he broke his contract, or that he didn't have the right to leave after his contract was over.

 

For reasons I've already said, I have doubts about his character and I haven't changed my mind. That's my opinion, and I have a right to that opinion.

 

You know nothing about me, about what I have experienced or not experienced in life, so don't even begin to think that you do. Butthurt?! Lol, someone triggered because of a different opinion, looks like the pot calling the kettle black to me.

Not triggered at all, sorry not a snowflake...call it like I see it

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Funny comment from Tryamkin regarding Daria Mironova, the assistant coach for the Kharlamov division team in the recent KHL All Star games:

"She called me wardrobe (шкаф)? I don't mind this - look at me, I am wardrobe. I have a real wardrobe at home exactly my size".

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On ‎1‎/‎20‎/‎2019 at 5:21 PM, Alflives said:

Why the “Mouseketeer” suits?  

Only four All Star selected players from Avto were in the mouseketeer suits, probably that was idea from one of them - French player Da Costa. Again, Avto is going to play in Paris, France in November... And the novel "The Three Musketeers" by Alexandre Dumas is so popular in Russia...

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1 hour ago, Sweathog said:

I never once said that playing over here was supposed to be easy for Tryamkin. Nor did I ever insinuate that he broke his contract, or that he didn't have the right to leave after his contract was over.

 

For reasons I've already said, I have doubts about his character and I haven't changed my mind. That's my opinion, and I have a right to that opinion.

 

You know nothing about me, about what I have experienced or not experienced in life, so don't even begin to think that you do. Butthurt?! Lol, someone triggered because of a different opinion, looks like the pot calling the kettle black to me.

                                 You may have your “opinion”on Tryamkin,.  your “reasons” to doubt his character... 

 

So what is it you know about Tryamkin, about what he has experienced or not experienced in life, how can you even begin to think that you do?

                 In your World,.  How does life not effect anyone else but you, where you can have an opinion of others on their character,      

                       But they can not have their opinion of you?

 

                                                                  Are you sensing the hypocrisy..? 

                                                                  

                                                      Perhaps the pick-axe has hit the root of negativity.

       

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1 hour ago, SilentSam said:

                                 You may have your “opinion”on Tryamkin,.  your “reasons” to doubt his character... 

 

So what is it you know about Tryamkin, about what he has experienced or not experienced in life, how can you even begin to think that you do?

                 In your World,.  How does life not effect anyone else but you, where you can have an opinion of others on their character,      

                       But they can not have their opinion of you?

 

                                                                  Are you sensing the hypocrisy..? 

                                                                  

                                                      Perhaps the pick-axe has hit the root of negativity.

       

Nice strawman there ;)

 

When did I ever say that I can say what I want about others, but they can't do the same to me? When did I ever say that nobody was allowed to hold an opinion different from mine?

 

The reason I said that to that poster is he said what he said without any factual knowledge about my life one way or the other.

 

My comments, right or wrong, are based on things that did happen however. He did show up here out of shape, he did refuse a conditioning stint in Utica, he did sign in Russia and he did make those comments about leaving because of lack of minutes. But apparently I committed the unimaginable crime of suggesting that mabye, just mabye, he MIGHT be the kind of player we don't want on this team? I've even stated  a couple of times that I'm open to the fact that I could be wrong.

 

Hypocrisy? Oh please lol, there's no hypocrisy here. For some reason however you're now using strawman tactics and ad hominems against me for.....why exactly?? For holding a less than ideal opinion of a player you're a big fan of? Wow dude, just wow, I don't know what to say to that.

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, drummerboy said:

Sorry dude, but no way.   

Why are all you guys over hyping him?   

 

He was a good skater, for a huge guy.

Nothing magical by any means.  

 

I agree Boeser isn’t a great skater, but no way does he make top 5 best skater on our current team.    

 

For real though...

why all the over romanticizing?   

He is a decent skater, a strong but inaccurate shot that take a couple weeks to get off.   Fair passing, slow decision making. 

Didnt use his size close to as much as he should.   

 

Yes, he was young and promising, but let’s not forget he is wasting very important development years in a league that he was able to slack through and play out of shape.  

 

Would it be cool to have him back?  

Maybe.  Probably.  

 

Is it a big deal if he doesn’t?  

No.   He can suck an egg. 

 

 

Exactly. Posters hyping a middling guy that bailed on the team.

 

Sad.

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8 hours ago, SilentSam said:

You must have blinked..

 

 

Oh. He can skate. Is that what the poster said??

 

No...I think that poster said he was a top 5 skater which is laughable.

 

Anyway, tree bailed on the canucks and he can stay gone. But if he mans up and comes back hopefully he has enough stamina to play on the 3rd D pairing. I would welcome that.

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9 hours ago, SilentSam said:

Your very talented to be able to find the ceiling of potential on a 22 yr old rookie in the NHL that played -maybe - 60 games, and may I add his first year on the smaller ice surface... perhaps your an expert?

 

 

 

Jeebus sam at least get your facts correct if you are going to argue tryamkin is some kind of uber D man.

 

He is 24 and going to be 25 soon.

 

22??  Come on buddy. You aren't even close. 

 

tryamkin is an almost 25 year old middling D man that is tall. I would take him back on our 3rd pairing if he were to suck it up and come back. But he better be able to take shifts more than 14 seconds long like when he first got here.

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18 hours ago, 40Dangles said:

He can play on the right side, and did quite a bit here, so alot of those names you named wouldn't come into play as they are on the left. Also you are having very high expectations for guys like Rathbone, Woo, etc who haven't seen a game of pro hockey yet and won't be close to ready or the same level as NT.

 

Alot of people are 'bitter' he left, like he insulted their mother or something. He had a right to, had a bad experience here coaching wise and personally as the Nucks clearly didn't think about the cultural transition for him.

 

His usage by willie was garbage. Anyone who watched him play could see he was impacting the game in many ways and deserved more ice, WD made  a mess in may ways, almost killed JV as well....so lets not forget that.

 

Anyone who thinks not having a 6'6'' tough, intimidating, RD who can skate on their team is 'meh who cares' is not really caring about this team imho. The big man is a game changer and we need him back, especially given our depth (lack therof) on the right side. He and Hughes will be a d pairing on par with Seabrooke and Keith in their prime. That's silly not to want that.

Of course I have high expectations. I am entitled to have them given their form and JB's record.

The hard facts for Tryamkin and a few on here is 6'6 etc etc etc or not, he is playing in a league which is hardly better than the AHL and when people like Hughes, Rathbone, Woo McEneny etc get established Tryamkin will find his size will not be enough to elevate him above 6/7 D. PLAYING 13-14 mins a night. Now we all know what happens next.

 

He made a choice based on family and homesickness (and Vancouver weed aromas) and I am quite sure he will be happy to live with it and stay the rest of his career making easy money in his home town. What that will do for the sanity of people like SilentSam who knows and frankly who cares.

 

By the way you are not any more qualified to say his usage by WD was garbage than I am or indeed Tryamkin. Live with it, as Tryamkin does.

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18 hours ago, 5Fivehole0 said:

Green of course did not have Anze Kopitar, Drew Doughty, Ilya Kovalchuk, Jonathan Quick, etc.... LA is hard under performing

Well on that basis Torts had the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Edler, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Luongo it didn't help him "Stale" was the word he used wasn't it?

Form has a lot to do with where players are at in their career. Unfortunately even stars need youth on their side and decent players around them.

 

I actually don't understand the firing of John Stevens though.

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10 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:

Hahaha. Yeah ok. A top 5 skater on this team.

 

EP

Horvat

Boeser

Virtanen

Roussel

Motte

Edler

 

Seriously...tell me who he beats out as a skater.

 

Hahaha.....Come on.

I would have added Stecher, Puliot, Tanev, Beagle, Baertschi to that list and probably Loui too. I might have left Boeser off though (I think his skating needs work)

Tryamkin was not a top skater he was very good for his size. ie he was more elegant than lumbering - he was no Chara though.

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12 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:

If you do not believe in his abilities or do not want Tryamkin here. Why are you people visiting his page?

Trolling is such a juvenile pass time.

I think Tryamkin is a great D man, and I look forward to him rejoining us when his meager KHL contract is up (hometown discount).

"To defend Willie's honour."
(from the one who laughed at your post)

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18 hours ago, Sweathog said:

Anyone who would leave a team to sign somewhere else because he didn't get the ice time he thought he was entitled to is high maintenance in my opinion. He wasn't owed anything from the Canucks. He, like all the other players, have to prove to the coaches and management that they are deserving of more ice time. It's apparent that WD wasn't convinced that he deserved it, so it's on Tryamkin to buckle down and work harder and change his mind. Not to run away to his home town because he felt disrespected.

 

Did Tryamkin leave because of the coach? Did Willie make mistakes in handling him? Perhaps, Willie certainly made his share of mistakes (especially with the young guys), but it's all a moot point because Willie was already gone when he signed the contract to go back to Russia. So the logic of him leaving because of Willie is kinda hard to understand.

 

Now if he left because of the simple reason that he missed his hometown and family, and he is happier there, then that makes much more sense. And if that's the case, why not just let him stay there and be happy?

Where does this come from. He did well by all the prospects that were given to him, even those who were clearly not ready.

WD got dogs abuse for his treatment of Goldobin when all he wanted was what Green wants now - and now people on here apparently want to trade Goldy saying he just doesn't get it. (I disagree by the way)

 

McCann looked a hell of a lot better here than he does EVEN NOW in Florida imo. If he had had the size he has now in Vancouver he would have been running riot under WD OR Green. McCann was getting 12:31 mins ATOI under WD and even now that he is 195lbs and 6'-1" he is averaging only 14:4 mins two years later.

 

Bo was sheltered, protected by DD and taught defence. He is now one of the top two way centres in the League averaging 21 mins per night.

 

Stecher and Hutton were both nurtured under WD and Jake was doing well after the WJC (where he was slagged by the Van media) till the end of that season but decided to come back for the next season as Mr Blobby.

He was sent down to get fit in Utica, that was not WD's fault and come to think of it I didn't hear much complaint from anyone other than Tryamkin when management and coaches suggested this route for the Russian when he was visibly out of condition. From what I read Green also told Jake the same things that WD had been telling him about consistency and using his size.

 

Boeser was played right away for ATOI of over 16 mins for the last 9 games. This was because he was not only a hard grafter but he could handle the mins due to his fitness from the end of the College season.

Rodin was proved to have not recovered from his Swedish League injury and yet WD was crucified for not playing him by the empty jars on here. His injury was so bad, management decided to give up on him and release him

 

Baertschi was turned round and gave WD credit for it, as was Granlund.

 

Tryamkin after he got fit was turned from a VERY RAW naive defender into a player who went back to dominate in his own league the following season. I put it to anyone the thing that held Tryamkin from bigger minutes here was not WD but Tryamkin. He refused to use his god given advantages any more than randomly and if he had WD would have given him more time.

 

One other thing was Tryamkin's duplicity concerning his understanding the language. I recall at least 2 of his team mates saying he understood a lot more than he let on. What was the point of concealing that, other than some kind of paranoid attitude. That was unfair to the coaches.

 

WD had his faults I don't deny but most were based in a naive belief that Management would not only supply him with prospects who had the talent to stick but that they were ready for the NHL. 

Where is LaBate, Grenier, Boucher, Goldobin, Molino, Rodin, Shore, Etem, Freisen, Kenins,  Pedan, Shink, now? And when these were proven inadequate he was given Cramarossa, Chaput, Larsen, Megna,  Rendulic, Skille, Zalewski, Fedun, Cracknell, Prust, Vey - All players WD had to use in his last 2 seasons.

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