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17 minutes ago, alfstonker said:

Where does this come from. He did well by all the prospects that were given to him, even those who were clearly not ready.

WD got dogs abuse for his treatment of Goldobin when all he wanted was what Green wants now - and now people on here apparently want to trade Goldy saying he just doesn't get it. (I disagree by the way)

 

McCann looked a hell of a lot better here than he does EVEN NOW in Florida imo. If he had had the size he has now in Vancouver he would have been running riot under WD OR Green. McCann was getting 12:31 mins ATOI under WD and even now that he is 195lbs and 6'-1" he is averaging only 14:4 mins two years later.

 

Bo was sheltered, protected by DD and taught defence. He is now one of the top two way centres in the League averaging 21 mins per night.

 

Stecher and Hutton were both nurtured under WD and Jake was doing well after the WJC (where he was slagged by the Van media) till the end of that season but decided to come back for the next season as Mr Blobby.

He was sent down to get fit in Utica, that was not WD's fault and come to think of it I didn't hear much complaint from anyone other than Tryamkin when management and coaches suggested this route for the Russian when he was visibly out of condition. From what I read Green also told Jake the same things that WD had been telling him about consistency and using his size.

 

Boeser was played right away for ATOI of over 16 mins for the last 9 games. This was because he was not only a hard grafter but he could handle the mins due to his fitness from the end of the College season.

Rodin was proved to have not recovered from his Swedish League injury and yet WD was crucified for not playing him by the empty jars on here. His injury was so bad, management decided to give up on him and release him

 

Baertschi was turned round and gave WD credit for it, as was Granlund.

 

Tryamkin after he got fit was turned from a VERY RAW naive defender into a player who went back to dominate in his own league the following season. I put it to anyone the thing that held Tryamkin from bigger minutes here was not WD but Tryamkin. He refused to use his god given advantages any more than randomly and if he had WD would have given him more time.

 

One other thing was Tryamkin's duplicity concerning his understanding the language. I recall at least 2 of his team mates saying he understood a lot more than he let on. What was the point of concealing that, other than some kind of paranoid attitude. That was unfair to the coaches.

 

WD had his faults I don't deny but most were based in a naive belief that Management would not only supply him with prospects who had the talent to stick but that they were ready for the NHL. 

Where is LaBate, Grenier, Boucher, Goldobin, Molino, Rodin, Shore, Etem, Freisen, Kenins,  Pedan, Shink, now? And when these were proven inadequate he was given Cramarossa, Chaput, Larsen, Megna,  Rendulic, Skille, Zalewski, Fedun, Cracknell, Prust, Vey - All players WD had to use in his last 2 seasons.

I thought Willie was a decent coach, definitely a lot better coach than the general consensus of posters around here on CDC. But I thought he made some mistakes, every coach does.

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3 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:

Jeebus sam at least get your facts correct if you are going to argue tryamkin is some kind of uber D man.

 

He is 24 and going to be 25 soon.

 

22??  Come on buddy. You aren't even close. 

 

tryamkin is an almost 25 year old middling D man that is tall. I would take him back on our 3rd pairing if he were to suck it up and come back. But he better be able to take shifts more than 14 seconds long like when he first got here.

He was 21 yrs old when he arrived here to play in the NHL.    He was 22 when he played his first “full” season with us.

My comments included the reflection of that time period.

 

Dig deeper, it’s your hole..  Expert.

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9 hours ago, Stierlitz said:

Only four All Star selected players from Avto were in the mouseketeer suits, probably that was idea from one of them - French player Da Costa. Again, Avto is going to play in Paris, France in November... And the novel "The Three Musketeers" by Alexandre Dumas is so popular in Russia...

It was a sad attempt at humor by myself. :picard:

 

These are "Mousekateers":  

Mousekateers.jpg

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I liked WD but he had nothing in terms of talent.  It's ridiculous people pin Tryamkin's departure solely on WD. 

 

I like Tryamkin but three years away from the elite pace of the NHL and I really don't think he'll be the great Dman everyone thinks(or hopes) he could be.  It's a shame, Green would've been the perfect coach for him. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, alfstonker said:

Where does this come from. He did well by all the prospects that were given to him, even those who were clearly not ready.

WD got dogs abuse for his treatment of Goldobin when all he wanted was what Green wants now - and now people on here apparently want to trade Goldy saying he just doesn't get it. (I disagree by the way)

 

McCann looked a hell of a lot better here than he does EVEN NOW in Florida imo. If he had had the size he has now in Vancouver he would have been running riot under WD OR Green. McCann was getting 12:31 mins ATOI under WD and even now that he is 195lbs and 6'-1" he is averaging only 14:4 mins two years later.

 

Bo was sheltered, protected by DD and taught defence. He is now one of the top two way centres in the League averaging 21 mins per night.

 

Stecher and Hutton were both nurtured under WD and Jake was doing well after the WJC (where he was slagged by the Van media) till the end of that season but decided to come back for the next season as Mr Blobby.

He was sent down to get fit in Utica, that was not WD's fault and come to think of it I didn't hear much complaint from anyone other than Tryamkin when management and coaches suggested this route for the Russian when he was visibly out of condition. From what I read Green also told Jake the same things that WD had been telling him about consistency and using his size.

 

Boeser was played right away for ATOI of over 16 mins for the last 9 games. This was because he was not only a hard grafter but he could handle the mins due to his fitness from the end of the College season.

Rodin was proved to have not recovered from his Swedish League injury and yet WD was crucified for not playing him by the empty jars on here. His injury was so bad, management decided to give up on him and release him

 

Baertschi was turned round and gave WD credit for it, as was Granlund.

 

Tryamkin after he got fit was turned from a VERY RAW naive defender into a player who went back to dominate in his own league the following season. I put it to anyone the thing that held Tryamkin from bigger minutes here was not WD but Tryamkin. He refused to use his god given advantages any more than randomly and if he had WD would have given him more time.

 

One other thing was Tryamkin's duplicity concerning his understanding the language. I recall at least 2 of his team mates saying he understood a lot more than he let on. What was the point of concealing that, other than some kind of paranoid attitude. That was unfair to the coaches.

 

WD had his faults I don't deny but most were based in a naive belief that Management would not only supply him with prospects who had the talent to stick but that they were ready for the NHL. 

Where is LaBate, Grenier, Boucher, Goldobin, Molino, Rodin, Shore, Etem, Freisen, Kenins,  Pedan, Shink, now? And when these were proven inadequate he was given Cramarossa, Chaput, Larsen, Megna,  Rendulic, Skille, Zalewski, Fedun, Cracknell, Prust, Vey - All players WD had to use in his last 2 seasons.

Seriously good job! 

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1 hour ago, Fred65 said:

Strangely enough since Willy took over in LA he has a 60% winning record, that from a team that is clearly not built for todays NHL. He's won 16 of 27 games

Well he does have 16 wins, but that's in 37 games not 27. His 1st game was Nov 6. And the record over that time is 16-18-3.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–19_Los_Angeles_Kings_season

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9 hours ago, alfstonker said:

Well on that basis Torts had the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Edler, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Luongo it didn't help him "Stale" was the word he used wasn't it?

Form has a lot to do with where players are at in their career. Unfortunately even stars need youth on their side and decent players around them.

 

I actually don't understand the firing of John Stevens though.

6 of those players were past their prime, one didn't want to play here anymore, another 1 hated the coach for good reasons, and another got replaced by Lack and rightfully requested a trade.

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1 hour ago, The 5th Line said:

So he bailed on the team and you don't want him back, but if he comes back you would welcome it?  Seems legit

Yeah, that was a head scratcher for me. 

One second it's good riddance, we don't need him. Oh, but if he came back I would welcome him. 

 

No point in arguing with a guy who doesn't even know his own stance. 
 

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9 hours ago, Warhippy said:

No question about that at all.

 

But, Tryamkin is a Russian, skates like a Russian forward and is almost 7 feet tall.  He'd be one of the better skaters on our team right now.

YEAH...TOP 5!!  Lol. He might make the top 15 skaters on this team. But not much better than that. So much hyperbole about his skating. :picard:

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10 hours ago, Pepe Silvia said:

Yeah, that was a head scratcher for me. 

One second it's good riddance, we don't need him. Oh, but if he came back I would welcome him. 

 

No point in arguing with a guy who doesn't even know his own stance. 
 

You and your buddy need to learn a bit about logic.

I could say I don't really fancy Lady Gaga but if I come home and find her in my bed I might think "what the hell, ok if you insist" It's all about context.

 

The fact that the guy said good riddance was a comment on his attitude. If he comes back with an improved attitude why wouldn't he welcome him back?

The trouble with many of you people is you try to keep score like 5th graders and in your world no one gets to change their opinion.

 

Which might be fine if so many were not first class hypocrites.

 

Hockey is a sport, it's about opinions, usually ill-informed opinions at that. None of us are coaches or GMs we just act like we are on here - including me.

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16 hours ago, Fred65 said:

Strangely enough since Willy took over in LA he has a 60% winning record, that from a team that is clearly not built for todays NHL. He's won 16 of 27 games

He did well for his first year here too.  Many saw WD as a development coach.  Maybe that's not what he is in the NHL.  WD has a good record with veteran laden teams so far.  His development abilities here are what his is being derided for.  

 

Green on the other hand is a coach that seems to do well with developing younger players.  They do similar things, but I don't see WD sitting MDZ and playing Pouliot until he starts gaining confidence.  

 

Green would be the prefect coach for Trymakin.  I agree.  He is the right coach to develop this team.  WD wasn't.  But would Green get as much out of a vet line up in its last years together.... maybe not.  

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I hope he comes back, hope may not be the right word because I'm not optimistic about it.

 

I would be happy to see him back and given a bit of leash to develop.

Hopefully he would be more mature this time if asked to do a conditioning stint.

 

Guys bounced off of him, it was absurd how powerful he was even when he wasn't trying or paying attention to someone, they would charge him and end up on their butts.

 

We need that.

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