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6 hours ago, filthycanuck said:

Tryamkin is an NHLer without a doubt, he was one of our better defenceman while he was here. His size was a massive advantage for him in the smaller ice. I remember his first game against Colorado here, my gosh, the guy with his wingspan with his stick took up a quarter of the defensive zone. Its ridiculous how big Nikita is seeing him live. I think its more of the culture shock of moving here ESPECIALLY newly married. Lifestyle in NA is completely different than in Russia. Some Russian players see the NHL as just a job, and some russians see it as an escape FROM Russia, living the "american dream" or land of oppurtunity that sorta deal. Take Goldy for example, came here to Canada to play juniors, and from what it sounds like loves being NA because of lifestyle, the people, entertainment etc, Kovalchuk on the other hand goes where the money leads him, and (from what Ive read) Yakupov would rather be in the NHL or NA but is in the KHL because its paying him the most. To summarize, some guys want the north american dream and some are just very loyal to the motherland, Tryamkin strikes me as the latter, at least from when he was here but things can change.

I wouldn't say he was one of the better dmen.....he fell somewhere in the middle of the pack, imo 

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7 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:

Is that for certain. If they negotiate a buyout this weekend Try can't sign with us to finish the year? 

There was a date in December when Nylander had to sign or he couldn't play this year, Tram missed that date.

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21 hours ago, stawns said:

Don't hold your breath.  I don't see him leaving Russia, ever.  He seems pretty content there and doesn't seem to have that internal drive to play against the best in the world.  Hard to come down on a guy for wanting to play at home.

After the comment by his agent, I think we have to decide if we want him back and then, if so, step up and make a good offer. He likely wants to see an offer that says, get over here, we want you, and here's a deal to prove it. Some will say, he hasn't earned that, but I think we should take that chance, just my opinion.

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12 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:

Glad to hear there's dialogue between JB and the Tryamkin camp. We are rooting for him to win, well most of us, because I believe he has matured and taken the fitness advice to heart. And he has been very coachable, staying in the mold they're utilizing him in as a stay at home defenceman. Which would compliment Hughes style. As they were getting knocked out these last 2 games Try looked the most composed and kept his compete level up when many players looked overwhelmed. 

I figured that that there may not have been much communicaiton but I'm happy to be wrong about that. Jim checking in regularly won't go unnoticed. 

 

Its pretty obvious that trying out  Nik again would solve some, not all, issues on the defence so it would be worth overpaying Nik by 1 mil so he can buy out his KHL deal. So at this point, what is Nik's market value? 

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21 minutes ago, aliboy said:

After the comment by his agent, I think we have to decide if we want him back and then, if so, step up and make a good offer. He likely wants to see an offer that says, get over here, we want you, and here's a deal to prove it. Some will say, he hasn't earned that, but I think we should take that chance, just my opinion.

One of my biggest concerns with Tryamkin if he returns is the locker room. I do think he can play NHL defense but cutting him a sweetheart deal could hurt the culture of the team. If he came back and played great the issue would never arise. If he struggles and is not happy then finger pointing can start. Is it worth the risk. Probably and that is why Benning is keeping the phone lines busy. 3 year bridge deal is what should happen.

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18 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said:

If you are comparing Tryamkin to Hughes or EP40 you have lost me entirely.

 

Whether he played in the NHL previously or not, he has not for several years and I see a massive issue if he is given a one-way deal ( to protect his income ) but I would never give the guy an assurance of no time in minors.    He had massive holes in his game but was an intriguing prospect with untapped potential.   Some of his holes were defensive coverage and he may need some time with the speed of the NHL game to get back to that level - and AHL is the second fastest league in the world and miles ahead of the KHL in that regard.

 

To you I am not making sense, to a sane NHL organization I think I am.   

 

Cheers.   :)

Biega has a one way deal, you're telling me Biega is better than Tryamkin?

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1 hour ago, aliboy said:

There was a date in December when Nylander had to sign or he couldn't play this year, Tram missed that date.

but does that work the same way for a player that signed another contract, which if bought out would be completed? the rules on defected players are pretty convoluted. 

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53 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I figured that that there may not have been much communicaiton but I'm happy to be wrong about that. Jim checking in regularly won't go unnoticed. 

 

Its pretty obvious that trying out  Nik again would solve some, not all, issues on the defence so it would be worth overpaying Nik by 1 mil so he can buy out his KHL deal. So at this point, what is Nik's market value? 

I'm thinking 4-5m with 3-4 year term and a LNTC.

 

Big fan here obviously.

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13 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

but does that work the same way for a player that signed another contract, which if bought out would be completed? the rules on defected players are pretty convoluted. 

My understanding is, he had to be under contract with us back in December.

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7 minutes ago, Western Red said:

I'm thinking 4-5m with 3-4 year term and a LNTC.

 

Big fan here obviously.

And some people will freak out about these numbers, but if we want him back, I was thinking 5 years in the $20M range, with a signing bonus large enough to allow him to buy out his contract and comfortably relocate himself and his wife to Vancouver. Your numbers would also work, anything less and I think he says, they don't really want me back so I stay where I am.

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1 hour ago, aliboy said:

After the comment by his agent, I think we have to decide if we want him back and then, if so, step up and make a good offer. He likely wants to see an offer that says, get over here, we want you, and here's a deal to prove it. Some will say, he hasn't earned that, but I think we should take that chance, just my opinion.

In cash only. I don't want to see any 'no AHL' etc clauses. You can't guarantee the guy an NHL gig when he showed up out of shape last time and at the very least has shown signs of some entitlement issues. His management needs to explain to him that he'd have very little chance of seeing any AHL time if he shows up prepared and even if he does, it would be VERY short term in all likelihood.

 

1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Its pretty obvious that trying out  Nik again would solve some, not all, issues on the defence so it would be worth overpaying Nik by 1 mil so he can buy out his KHL deal. So at this point, what is Nik's market value? 

I'd offer him $3.5-$4m X 2 years with a $1m signing bonus. $4m-$4.5 AAV.

 

Nice bridge deal to let him earn a bigger contract/see if he wants to stay longer and keeps him out of ED protection concerns. And a HELL of a lot cheaper than Myers.

 

 

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Are there any similarities between a situation where Tryamkin could sign, and play the final few games of the season, and the O'Reiily screw up where Flames would have to waive him ? I think that moving from Europe mid season was a factor. There are probably many differences to consider. It can get complicated !

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7 minutes ago, aGENT said:

In cash only. I don't want to see any 'no AHL' etc clauses. You can't guarantee the guy an NHL gig when he showed up out of shape last time and at the very least has shown signs of some entitlement issues. His management needs to explain to him that he'd have very little chance of seeing any AHL time if he shows up prepared and even if he does, it would be VERY short term in all likelihood.

 

I'd offer him $3.5-$4m X 2 years with a $1m signing bonus. $4m-$4.5 AAV.

 

Nice bridge deal to let him earn a bigger contract/see if he wants to stay longer and keeps him out of ED protection concerns. And a HELL of a lot cheaper than Myers.

 

 

true, but he won't provide any offence tho. But maybe with both Edler and Hughes there's enough puck movement to up the d scoring anyway. As long as we don't sign Gardiner. 

 

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5 minutes ago, SingleThorn said:

Are there any similarities between a situation where Tryamkin could sign, and play the final few games of the season, and the O'Reiily screw up where Flames would have to waive him ? I think that moving from Europe mid season was a factor. There are probably many differences to consider. It can get complicated !

The difference would be, was the Flames player already under contract, and then came over mid season? A player has to be under contract by a certain date.

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15 minutes ago, aGENT said:

In cash only. I don't want to see any 'no AHL' etc clauses. You can't guarantee the guy an NHL gig when he showed up out of shape last time and at the very least has shown signs of some entitlement issues. His management needs to explain to him that he'd have very little chance of seeing any AHL time if he shows up prepared and even if he does, it would be VERY short term in all likelihood.

 

I'd offer him $3.5-$4m X 2 years with a $1m signing bonus. $4m-$4.5 AAV.

 

Nice bridge deal to let him earn a bigger contract/see if he wants to stay longer and keeps him out of ED protection concerns. And a HELL of a lot cheaper than Myers.

 

 

And that is the choice, the numbers you're talking would likely work, but we already have enough of a sample size, we've seen him play and now he has more professional experience. They are going to say, screw the bridge deal and no AHL and then we decide, I don't see it as being that much of a risk.

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22 minutes ago, aliboy said:

My understanding is, he had to be under contract with us back in December.

just skimming over the CBA.... I dunno, it doesn't look that clear cut to me since he did go and sign a deal with a non-affiliated club. It looks to me like Bettman could allow it potentially. But I've been wrong on the CBA before. We need @SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME to make a ruling. 

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1 minute ago, aliboy said:

The difference would be, was the Flames player already under contract, and then came over mid season? A player has to be under contract by a certain date.

I think in O'Reilly's case, he had an 'opt out' KHL contract ( he was RFA as far as the NHL went ) and then received an offer sheet from the Flames. Colorado matched but could have played hard ball with the waiver factor. As far as being 'too late' in the season to join the team, I'm really not sure. If Teves and Hughes can play with late signings, why not Tryamkin ?

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On ‎3‎/‎21‎/‎2019 at 8:37 PM, Cup2022 said:

At least he wouldn't miss 20+ games a year lol

Well he did miss 16 because he was grossly overweight and out of shape, so there is that.

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