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Do we have room for the Try man now....

 

Edler - Stecher
Hughes - Myers
Benn/Juolevi - Tanev

 

That's 7 guys...if we carry 8 D. then Fantenberg draws in...Oli makes the team as soon as the first D. man gets injured...in training camp....or the weight room just before camp starts...

By mid season Oli will be pulling Hutton's minutes...making room would have to involve trading one of Tanev or Stecher...here's hoping they start the season in good health and are tradable  if we need to.

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2 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said:

Do we have room for the Try man now....

 

Edler - Stecher
Hughes - Myers
Benn/Juolevi - Tanev

 

That's 7 guys...if we carry 8 D. then Fantenberg draws in...Oli makes the team as soon as the first D. man gets injured...in training camp....or the weight room just before camp starts...

By mid season Oli will be pulling Hutton's minutes...making room would have to involve trading one of Tanev or Stecher...here's hoping they start the season in good health and are tradable  if we need to.

Tanev expires this year and from what I hear, will not likely be back. One way or the other (walking as UFA, trade, injury etc) he's not likely going to be here all of/past this year.

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5 hours ago, dpn1 said:

Sometimes I think some are confusing what side guys are most effective on and just what side they play.

LD: Edler, Hughes, Benn.   RD: Myers, Tanev, Stetcher.  Benn is flexible and can play both sides but he is the only one I would use this way (for this year anyway).

 

If and when The Tryan man will need to play on his strong side LD in the NHL.  Nik is not far enough along to confuse things by putting him on the right side.  I think sometimes Nik is over rated on this thread.  Don't get me wrong, I would love to see him over here but he is still developing and has spent the last 2 years in the KHL not the NHL.

I think he is very overrated by this forum.  I think he is a promising prospect, but some people want to just slot him in over some of our other guys in the top 4 who have earned the job.  He left the team a couple years ago by his own choice, and if he wants to play again in the NHL he has to earn his spot at training camp like everyone else.  In his 1st season he came to training camp out of shape, was demoted to the AHL for conditioning, and then there were apparent entitlement issues throughout his time here.  Did Willie contribute to this through poor coaching?  Probably.  But it wasn't 100% Willie's fault either. 

 

Green has established that no one is going to be gifted a spot on this roster, and he isn't afraid to park someone on the bench or in the minors if they aren't playing the way he wants.  Tryamkin has a lot to prove still, but he is an intriguing prospect and there aren't many like him with that kind of size and strength that can still get around the ice effectively in the NHL.

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24 minutes ago, The Sedge said:

I think he is very overrated by this forum.  I think he is a promising prospect, but some people want to just slot him in over some of our other guys in the top 4 who have earned the job.  He left the team a couple years ago by his own choice, and if he wants to play again in the NHL he has to earn his spot at training camp like everyone else.  In his 1st season he came to training camp out of shape, was demoted to the AHL for conditioning, and then there were apparent entitlement issues throughout his time here.  Did Willie contribute to this through poor coaching?  Probably.  But it wasn't 100% Willie's fault either. 

 

Green has established that no one is going to be gifted a spot on this roster, and he isn't afraid to park someone on the bench or in the minors if they aren't playing the way he wants.  Tryamkin has a lot to prove still, but he is an intriguing prospect and there aren't many like him with that kind of size and strength that can still get around the ice effectively in the NHL.

I think you are right on but he wouldn't go to the AHL so he sat in the press box until he was in shape.  I think Willie didn't play him for the first 4 or 6 weeks.  Never thought I would ever agree with Willie. ::D

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51 minutes ago, dpn1 said:

I think you are right on but he wouldn't go to the AHL so he sat in the press box until he was in shape.  I think Willie didn't play him for the first 4 or 6 weeks.  Never thought I would ever agree with Willie. ::D

Right, forgot that minor detail.  I recall that they wanted to send him to the AHL for a quick conditioning stint but he wouldn't agree to it.

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38 minutes ago, The Sedge said:

Right, forgot that minor detail.  I recall that they wanted to send him to the AHL for a quick conditioning stint but he wouldn't agree to it.

It wasn’t in his contract.

He didn’t have to go..

and it will still be in his contract.

 

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8 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

It wasn’t in his contract.

He didn’t have to go..

and it will still be in his contract.

 

I'm sure it was also in his contract that he would show up to Vancouver in shape ready to play hockey.  

 

My point is it shows a sense of entitlement which is not a good sign in a young prospect.

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9 hours ago, dpn1 said:

Sometimes I think some are confusing what side guys are most effective on and just what side they play.

LD: Edler, Hughes, Benn.   RD: Myers, Tanev, Stetcher.  Benn is flexible and can play both sides but he is the only one I would use this way (for this year anyway).

 

If and when The Tryan man will need to play on his strong side LD in the NHL.  Nik is not far enough along to confuse things by putting him on the right side.  I think sometimes Nik is over rated on this thread.  Don't get me wrong, I would love to see him over here but he is still developing and has spent the last 2 years in the KHL not the NHL.

Agreed. Tryamkin is over rated constantly on this thread. He is gonna be 25 years old very soon and 26 before he even gets back here IF he even comes back next year. That is peak age for an NHLer.

 

He is no longer developing in all likelihood. He is what he is at this point.

 

I would still like him to join the Canucks but he would be a big 3rd pairing D man. We could use the size, strength and physicality even if it was only on the 3rd pairing.

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4 hours ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said:

Edler - Stecher
Hughes - Myers
Benn/Juolevi - Tanev

:lol:

 

That line up is hillarious.  Stecher is a 3rd pairing d man. No more. He won't play 1st pairing with Edler.  :picard:

 

Regardless of the quote in my signature.

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2 hours ago, The Sedge said:

Right, forgot that minor detail.  I recall that they wanted to send him to the AHL for a quick conditioning stint but he wouldn't agree to it.

He said no to the AHL likely because his wife was having trouble being alone in Vancouver.  He was on the road enough, but going to Utica would mean he was away for an extra couple weeks.  Our coach and management messed this up a lot.  They should have had someone watching out for his wife, who spoke Russian.  

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7 hours ago, higgyfan said:

Apparently Hughes and Tryamkin have played on the right side, but not at the amount of time and/or level like Benn has.

 

Travis Green has shown in the past that he wants his players to play on their dominant side, so I'm not seeing any changes in the near future. I certainly don't think he would do it with a rookie like Hughes.

 

Fair enough, but he did move a rookie RW who needed sheltered minutes in a limited role to top line C within moments of arriving 

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40 minutes ago, Alflives said:

He said no to the AHL likely because his wife was having trouble being alone in Vancouver.  He was on the road enough, but going to Utica would mean he was away for an extra couple weeks.  Our coach and management messed this up a lot.  They should have had someone watching out for his wife, who spoke Russian.  

Kesler offered.  :ph34r:

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4 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:

He is what he is at this point.

 

I would still like him to join the Canucks but he would be a big 3rd pairing D man. We could use the size, strength and physicality even if it was only on the 3rd pairing.

I feel Tryamkin "is what he is" right from our initial viewing of him. I doubt he progressed much at all or will much in the future.  But what he IS is rather special and can help change a playoff series if he plays with some snarl.

 

I agree with you that he is absolutely bottom pairing from a skill perspective. But you know how Ferland isn't really a 1st line guy - yet we expect him to be played with Petey and Bess? I feel that is the kind of scenario Try COULD be used in - whereby we don't expect him to contribute the same as his pairing partner - as long as he has chemistry and his game compliments that of his partner.

 

Case in point: Schenn.  Schenn was largely (exclusively?) played with a far better player in Hughes.  It worked rather well. I feel perhaps Try can play a similar game as Schenn as a supporting player that hits even better.

 

On the other hand, while I recall Try playing defensively responsible, I don't remember him being like Tanev whereby he can be counted on to read the play perfectly to help eliminate the puck from coming back the other way.  You know Hughes makes his magic deeper in so whoever is paired with him had better read the play well or they will be facing 2 on 1 chances for certain. If Try can be that guy, I would certainly feel better about Hughes' chances of getting manhandled.

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7 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:

:lol:

 

That line up is hillarious.  Stecher is a 3rd pairing d man. No more. He won't play 1st pairing with Edler.  :picard:

 

Regardless of the quote in my signature.

Who cares if Stecher is just a 3rd pairing dman? Having Edler and Stecher together creates a perfect balance in the D core. I couldn't care less that he's not the top 2 Dman needed to play with Edler. We are not a team that can afford to have their 2 best dmen on the same line and get exposed when teams have 2 scoring lines. Add to that, Stecher is no slouch and can hang with the best of them. This allows Hughes to be sheltered alongside Tanev and Benn & Myers to compliment each other as well. Who cares about numbers (1 to 7D) when we've had one of the worst dcores in the last 5 years? We got better and can create balance. That's huge. 

 

FWIW I still think the lines should be 

 

Edler Myers

Hughes Tanev 

Benn Stecher

 

But I'm fine with Edler Stecher as a pairing

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16 hours ago, SilentSam said:

3 years ago, Desjardins threw the kid under the bus..  Desjardins was fired. Tryamkin will be back.

Get over it and your hurt feelings.

No hurt feelings Sam.  Just my opinion, and you can have yours.  I say Tryamkin displayed some self-entitlement issues while he was here (along with struggling to play for a minor league level coach), you think the entire blame falls on Willie.  

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17 hours ago, SilentSam said:

3 years ago, Desjardins threw the kid under the bus..  Desjardins was fired. Tryamkin will be back.

Get over it and your hurt feelings.

I think he’ll be back too. And I think Desjardins did screw things up somewhat.

But I also read an article where he said something to the effect of “Goldobin also has to deal with this anti-Russian bias” - that told me a bunch about the entitlement that it felt like he was carrying with him.

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1 hour ago, The Sedge said:

No hurt feelings Sam.  Just my opinion, and you can have yours.  I say Tryamkin displayed some self-entitlement issues while he was here (along with struggling to play for a minor league level coach), you think the entire blame falls on Willie.  

Most of it does.

Tryamkin played only 60 games for us as a rookie.. showed more promise than anyone on our D.

21 years old and a brand new foreign country,. Better hands should have handled him.

To me the problem has gone.. fired.

I look forward to Tryamkins return, I think he will progress to be a top 2nd pairing D man with this club after his next full season at least.

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Tryamkin certainly did have entitlement issues. he didn't want to earn his minutes, he thought he would just get them. I liked him, but him leaving the way he did , showed his immaturity.  if and when he does return, I would hope he has grown up enough to know everything you do in life has to be earned and not just handed to you.

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7 minutes ago, bree2 said:

Tryamkin certainly did have entitlement issues. he didn't want to earn his minutes, he thought he would just get them. I liked him, but him leaving the way he did , showed his immaturity.  if and when he does return, I would hope he has grown up enough to know everything you do in life has to be earned and not just handed to you.

What was handed to him?

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