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5 hours ago, filthycanuck said:

Wouldn't be suprised if somehow Sutter gets injured in the pressbox while watching our boy Gaudz light it up in his spot

Nice try. I mean, I get that you dislike Sutter but Gaudette won't even start with the Canucks. 

 

Gaudette was clearly not ready for 3rd line centre minutes in his time with the Canucks last year. He needs to go to Utica to work on his game. He isn't close to Sutter's level yet.....as silly as your comments are.

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On 7/31/2019 at 5:28 AM, Kanukfanatic said:

Nice try. I mean, I get that you dislike Sutter but Gaudette won't even start with the Canucks. 

 

Gaudette was clearly not ready for 3rd line centre minutes in his time with the Canucks last year. He needs to go to Utica to work on his game. He isn't close to Sutter's level yet.....as silly as your comments are.

I do not see any difference do you? Matter of a fact...I would give the tie breaker to Adam...….

 

x  Adam Gaudette

8-19 Vancouver CanucksVancouver Canucks NHL   56 5 7 12 -8 18  

 

x Brandon Sutter

8-19 Vancouver CanucksVancouver Canucks NHL   26 4 2 6 -12 6

 

 

 

 

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I am so looking forward to a Tryamkin return . Edler Myers Tryamkin with Benn and Tanev won't be the smallest "d " in the league anymore  . Hughes and/or Stecher should have plenty of room to freewheel [ I know thats 7 ] . Hope Tram is in better shape than when he started here before and is  more patient starting as a 6/7 defenceman under a new coach 

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1 hour ago, janisahockeynut said:

I do not see any difference do you? Matter of a fact...I would give the tie breaker to Adam...….

 

x  Adam Gaudette

8-19 Vancouver CanucksVancouver Canucks NHL   56 5 7 12 -8 18  

 

x Brandon Sutter

8-19 Vancouver CanucksVancouver Canucks NHL   26 4 2 6 -12 6

 

 

 

 

Did you actually watch hockey?  Or just go get stats? I like stats...they can say whatever you want them to. Last year Gaudette had .21 ptspg and Sutter was similar. For many years Sutter had double that ptspg. What is your point exactly with the above stats?

 

Watching the games Gaudette simply looked very average and over matched a lot of the time.  I like him as a prospect but man some people around here have tried to build up some kind of narrative like he is already a bonafide 3rd line centre in the NHL.

 

The eye test sure didn't support that last year. Like many others, I hope he gets tons of time in all situations down in Utica and then comes up with confidence to continue to develop.

 

But good for you digging up stats. I will continue to watch the games.

 

And I really hope Gaudette becomes a strong 3rd line centre for the Canucks at some point. 

 

Edit: and all that is ok with me. Gaud has only ever played 61 NHL games so expecting him to just step in to a 3rd line Centre role at a strong level would be a bit premature. Hopefully by this hockey years end though he is back up.

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In December 2017 the HWs came up with an article titled "Top 5 Third-Line Centres in the NHL". They noted the following as the best (I added their ppg in 2017):

 

Radek Faksa  .42 ptspg
Patrik Bergluna .46
Charlie Coyle .56
Adam Lowry .47
Nick Bonino .35

 

Gaudette (last year)  .21

 

Gaudette, if we want him to get to be known as a very good third line centre, has a long way to go points wise to get to that level. He was at .21 ptspg last year. Developing in Utica this year has no downside and we can hope he does develop further.

 

Comparing him to Sutter like you did points wise Janis, a guy most of us are fine with trading later in the year, serves no purpose. Sutter in his hay day, also had .41-.45 ptspg....double of what Gaud did last year.

 

Keep Sutter one more year to take the hard minutes without subjecting those minutes to Gaudette too early in his young career. Let Gaud get more confidence, while Sutter gets beat on by other teams strongest players.

 

It would be to everyone's benefit imo.

 

Now back to Tryamkin, I hope he comes over at year end and is good on our 3rd D pairing.  ::D

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8 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

I do not see any difference do you? Matter of a fact...I would give the tie breaker to Adam...….

 

x  Adam Gaudette

8-19 Vancouver CanucksVancouver Canucks NHL   56 5 7 12 -8 18  

 

x Brandon Sutter

8-19 Vancouver CanucksVancouver Canucks NHL   26 4 2 6 -12 6

 

 

 

 

Last season Sutter played most of his games with a hernia and then decided to shut him down. So I guess Gaudette put up the offensive numbers of a far less than 100% Sutter and I guess that means Gaudette is ready?

 

Sutter played half the games that Gaudette did and still took more faceoffs than AG and being just under 50% (normally above 50%) while Gaudette was a meager 40%. 

 

I have faith that Gaudette will become a better player, but he can grow with a season in Utica (hopefully a Kesler like improvement after the lockout season forcing him into a year in the AHL) and we have the depth now to give him some stability to develop.

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On 7/31/2019 at 5:28 AM, Kanukfanatic said:

Nice try. I mean, I get that you dislike Sutter but Gaudette won't even start with the Canucks. 

 

Gaudette was clearly not ready for 3rd line centre minutes in his time with the Canucks last year. He needs to go to Utica to work on his game. He isn't close to Sutter's level yet.....as silly as your comments are.

Silly how so? Just like your insight?

 

The team is trying to keep Gaudette on the roster and trying to get rid of Sutter for a bag of pucks. Sutter was terrible last year when he played

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2 hours ago, theo5789 said:

Last season Sutter played most of his games with a hernia and then decided to shut him down. So I guess Gaudette put up the offensive numbers of a far less than 100% Sutter and I guess that means Gaudette is ready?

 

Sutter played half the games that Gaudette did and still took more faceoffs than AG and being just under 50% (normally above 50%) while Gaudette was a meager 40%. 

 

I have faith that Gaudette will become a better player, but he can grow with a season in Utica (hopefully a Kesler like improvement after the lockout season forcing him into a year in the AHL) and we have the depth now to give him some stability to develop.

Every year its something different for Sutter, 2 seasons ago it was an abdominal strain or tear (something like that), last year hernia, theres always something wrong with him. The guy makes Tanev look like he's made out of iron.

 

Yes faceoffs are important, but overall play, was Sutter better than Gaudette?, no he was not. Gaudette kept up with the pace of the game, and he showed that can he drive SOME offence. Sutter when he played last year was a step behind on both ends of the rink.

 

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11 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:

Did you actually watch hockey?  Or just go get stats? I like stats...they can say whatever you want them to. Last year Gaudette had .21 ptspg and Sutter was similar. For many years Sutter had double that ptspg. What is your point exactly with the above stats?

 

Watching the games Gaudette simply looked very average and over matched a lot of the time.  I like him as a prospect but man some people around here have tried to build up some kind of narrative like he is already a bonafide 3rd line centre in the NHL.

 

The eye test sure didn't support that last year. Like many others, I hope he gets tons of time in all situations down in Utica and then comes up with confidence to continue to develop.

 

But good for you digging up stats. I will continue to watch the games.

 

And I really hope Gaudette becomes a strong 3rd line centre for the Canucks at some point. 

 

Edit: and all that is ok with me. Gaud has only ever played 61 NHL games so expecting him to just step in to a 3rd line Centre role at a strong level would be a bit premature. Hopefully by this hockey years end though he is back up.

So going by your eye test , was Sutter any better last season when he was healthy? Maybe you should get your eyes checked if you thought he was

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8 hours ago, filthycanuck said:

Silly how so? Just like your insight?

 

The team is trying to keep Gaudette on the roster and trying to get rid of Sutter for a bag of pucks. Sutter was terrible last year when he played

I guess you didn't like the actual evidence I provided that Gaudette is not nearly good enough yet to take over 3C duties.

 

Maybe go give that a read there pal.

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2 hours ago, theo5789 said:

But that's the point. Sutter was a step behind because he was playing through a hernia injury until they decided to shut him down. If Sutter is injured again, Gaudette will get more opportunities, if Sutter is healthy, he's currently the better suited player for the role while Gaudette could use the development playing bigger minutes in the AHL. It's not a knock on Gaudette, he just has room to grow still.

 

The post that I responded to was comparing offensive stats (and I'm assuming +/-) as well and Gaudette compared to an injured Sutter, which means Sutter at closer to 100% is currently the better player. Maybe Gaudette had a good offseason and comes in ready to knock someone off the NHL roster, but camp will decide that. Based on last season and hearing that Sutter is ready for camp should put Sutter ahead of Gaudette on paper at least. So not only did Sutter produce offensively at the same rate as Gaudette while being injured, he was also stronger on the faceoff dot and more often against tougher competition unlike Gaudette who played in a more sheltered role and struggled in a key part of being a "3rd line center".

 

I have no idea why Sutter gets such a bad rap. Is he injured a lot, yes, but that doesn't make him a poor player much like Tanev who makes the lineup better when he is in.

That other poster is mentally incapable of understanding this it seems.

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On 7/31/2019 at 5:28 AM, Kanukfanatic said:

Nice try. I mean, I get that you dislike Sutter but Gaudette won't even start with the Canucks. 

 

Gaudette was clearly not ready for 3rd line centre minutes in his time with the Canucks last year. He needs to go to Utica to work on his game. He isn't close to Sutter's level yet.....as silly as your comments are.

Careful with your evaluation with Sutter..  He has played very little over the past year, time is not on his side with this club compared to younger players and the clubs willingness to develop a good prospect such as Guadette.

We have no idea if Sutter will maintain a previous level of play,. The bigger “chance” is that he would regress after missing so much hockey, and perhaps change his game after a lengthy injury, and play a “safe” game.

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On 8/2/2019 at 7:08 AM, theo5789 said:

But that's the point. Sutter was a step behind because he was playing through a hernia injury until they decided to shut him down. If Sutter is injured again, Gaudette will get more opportunities, if Sutter is healthy, he's currently the better suited player for the role while Gaudette could use the development playing bigger minutes in the AHL. It's not a knock on Gaudette, he just has room to grow still.

 

The post that I responded to was comparing offensive stats (and I'm assuming +/-) as well and Gaudette compared to an injured Sutter, which means Sutter at closer to 100% is currently the better player. Maybe Gaudette had a good offseason and comes in ready to knock someone off the NHL roster, but camp will decide that. Based on last season and hearing that Sutter is ready for camp should put Sutter ahead of Gaudette on paper at least. So not only did Sutter produce offensively at the same rate as Gaudette while being injured, he was also stronger on the faceoff dot and more often against tougher competition unlike Gaudette who played in a more sheltered role and struggled in a key part of being a "3rd line center".

 

I have no idea why Sutter gets such a bad rap. Is he injured a lot, yes, but that doesn't make him a poor player much like Tanev who makes the lineup better when he is in.

Sutter is injured every year, at some point you can't count on him anymore to be on the lineup. Theres no reason for all this crap of Sutter "getting the hard minutes"  or hes better in the faceoff dot if he can't even be healthy enough to be on the ice. Its what, year 4 now since he's been a Canuck? Has he even played a game in February or March the last what, 3 years?

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