higgyfan Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 2 hours ago, WeneedLumme said: I agree, but the difference in tax rates and cost of living make that pretty much break even between playing in Vancouver and playing in Russia. So it's not really costing him financially to play for his hometown team, at least in the short term. Long term of course is different. Several years from now I could see him earning in the NHL a salary that would eat up half of a Russian team's salary cap. Canadian taxes only apply to games played here. I suspect a good accountant can find ways to whittle down his Canadian taxes. I suspect the team has housing for some of the younger guys as well. There are probably other perks as well. Find it hard to believe the taxes in Russia are only 13% for a citizen making millions. Hopefully someone can verify this? Source? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Man talk about a good problem We are running out of cap space because our players are good I think Benning needs to be careful here, as all GM's would have to be in his case With Boeser most likely in the 6.75 to 7.25 range, Pettersson's contract coming up (8 to 9 M range?), Hughes coming up (we will see), etc We have precious little cap to waste...….. Tryamkin's show me contract should be around Hutton's old contract (pro-rated), so what 3.5 to 4 M? This is where a good capoligist is needed. This is why guys like Sutter, Baertschi, Tanev, and Markstrom are expendable...……= 16 Million ish in current contracts and all due for a raises either next year or the year after...………..not only are they older in a young mans game, but we will not be able to afford them all, and will have to have room to add the Podkolzin's, Tryamkin's, Hoglander's. etc This is why as much as anything, we need to sign Tryamkin...…….he will be 26 going into next season, with no real replacement for Tanev other than him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted August 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: This is where a good capoligist is needed. Not sure where people get this thinking from... 1 1 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 2 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: Man talk about a good problem We are running out of cap space because our players are good I think Benning needs to be careful here, as all GM's would have to be in his case With Boeser most likely in the 6.75 to 7.25 range, Pettersson's contract coming up (8 to 9 M range?), Hughes coming up (we will see), etc We have precious little cap to waste...….. Tryamkin's show me contract should be around Hutton's old contract (pro-rated), so what 3.5 to 4 M? This is where a good capoligist is needed. This is why guys like Sutter, Baertschi, Tanev, and Markstrom are expendable...……= 16 Million ish in current contracts and all due for a raises either next year or the year after...………..not only are they older in a young mans game, but we will not be able to afford them all, and will have to have room to add the Podkolzin's, Tryamkin's, Hoglander's. etc This is why as much as anything, we need to sign Tryamkin...…….he will be 26 going into next season, with no real replacement for Tanev other than him. I think Sutter is good trade material. Veteran shut down guy, good for insurance shut down on the 3rd or 4th line, I think there are a few teams that could use help to get into the playoffs or post season. I think Baer and Goldy are the same type of player and we could trade one of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 5 hours ago, aGENT said: Not sure where people get this thinking from... Problem is that the “capologist” that Benning’s referring to is the guy from New Era who helps out with the player designed hats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stierlitz Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Avto plays Severstal at home in the season opener on Sep 2. In an unrelated note, Datsyuk is listed in the LTIR list published today by the KHL. He had some successful surgery two weeks ago (no details provided, just mentioned that this was the same type of injury that bothered him back in the NHL). The optimistic expectation is that he would be in the lineup by October. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 9 hours ago, aGENT said: Not sure where people get this thinking from... Thanks Agent, good info I missed I was sure they would have someone who would be looking after that, but never had heard that quote Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 7 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said: I think Sutter is good trade material. Veteran shut down guy, good for insurance shut down on the 3rd or 4th line, I think there are a few teams that could use help to get into the playoffs or post season. I think Baer and Goldy are the same type of player and we could trade one of them. I totally agree with you Which IMHO it should be Baertschi is at all possible Goldy is younger and with no concussion history, and will be considerable cheaper for the next few years Which if you look at our roster it makes so much more sense to keep Goldy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 13 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: I totally agree with you Which IMHO it should be Baertschi is at all possible Goldy is younger and with no concussion history, and will be considerable cheaper for the next few years Which if you look at our roster it makes so much more sense to keep Goldy Baer is good defensively and can easily slide to the third line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, stawns said: Baer is good defensively and can easily slide to the third line. I don't disagree with you Stawns But, I see Baertschi as expendable, as to me it is a saw off....he has value, he is offensive, he can play defense, but I do not believe he is what Benning wants to build around. If he had not signed Ferland and Miller, and drafting so many forwards....also, age and concussions are coming into my position on him. It is not that he would not help, it is just the line up is getting longer, and he isn't moving up, as players are passing him in a projection basis (aka looking forward) No doubt he still contributes, but to me it is who we keep and who we move I think as we get closer to a playoff team, Baertschi value to the team is loosing steam...…...he is not built to be a playoff warrior, IMO His talent and playmaking abilities make him valuable, his age, durability, and our depth make him expendable Same as Sutter, and Tanev to much the same degree...………….I mentioned Markstrom, which is just that he will want upwards of 5+ Million next contract, again IMO So, although this is a Tryamkin thread, it is all inter connected IMO, and for every player we add, I think there will need to be a subtraction, and that is not just off the bottom end as those players, don't necessarily replace the players on the first 2 lines, and visa-versa The question is, how much does Benning value these next 2 years, because even Tryamkin is starting to have a shorter shelf life, considering he would be termed as unproven, again...…(that 3 years didn't help him at all, contractually $$$) Edited August 31, 2019 by janisahockeynut 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 On 8/30/2019 at 10:12 AM, aGENT said: Not sure where people get this thinking from... It's weird that Gilman was so widely known as our capologist, but you have to do some serious digging to find out who our current capologist is. I Googled it and found nothing. Anyone know who this person is?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, VIC_CITY said: It's weird that Gilman was so widely known as our capologist, but you have to do some serious digging to find out who our current capologist is. I Googled it and found nothing. Anyone know who this person is?? Gino Odjick. We're in good hands! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Slegr said: Gino Odjick. We're in good hands! Who needs math when you can beat guys into signing cheap deals! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, VIC_CITY said: It's weird that Gilman was so widely known as our capologist, but you have to do some serious digging to find out who our current capologist is. I Googled it and found nothing. Anyone know who this person is?? Who ever it is should be replaced after the Ericksson contract. Gilman was way to smart. A lawyer by profession he read contracts with a jaundiced eye. One thing I always liked was I was told if an agent called to talk contract Gilman would never do it and would call the agent back after he had prepared and familiar with the terms. Only then would he discuss detail Edited September 1, 2019 by Fred65 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Who ever it is should be replaced after the Ericksson contract. Gilman was way to smart. A lawyer by profession he read contracts with a jaundiced eye. One thing I always liked was I was told if an agent called to talk contract Gilman would never do it and would call the agent back after he had prepared and familiar with the terms. Only then would he discuss detail Loui's deal was fair market value at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 21 minutes ago, stawns said: Loui's deal was fair market value at the time Oh yeah? what exactly did we get. A contract that was impossible to trade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 11 hours ago, VIC_CITY said: It's weird that Gilman was so widely known as our capologist, but you have to do some serious digging to find out who our current capologist is. I Googled it and found nothing. Anyone know who this person is?? I think “capologist” is mostly a media-created term anyway. I doubt you’ll find anyone listed as a capologist in an NHL front office/hockey ops. But Jonathan Wall originally took over many of Gilman’s duties. And Benning has also delegated most CBA related matters to Chris Gear. I’d imagine those two handle “capology” for the Canucks. If I were to speculate, Wall probably handles tracking (likely with some junior staff member doing day-to-day number crunching), and Gear is there for risk management and legal expertise, when it comes to finalizing contracts, and long term planning assessments, when it pertains to club salary/cap. I don’t think the Canucks have somebody on the payroll as a “capologist” but between Wall and Gear, and their subordinates, they have cap matters well in hand. Gear specifically has seen his role and influence grow in recent years, when it comes to contracts and CBA issues, as Benning continues to delegate many of the matters where he’s had some earlier missteps. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 The Canucks should bring back the player who was the biggest cheapskate while travelling on road trips and make them the capologist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Gilman was well respected by the league hence when they looked at setting rules for the expansion ( Vegas) the league hired Gilman to review and set the detail. That's why the Leafs hired him to review their Cap mess and he has for the most part done a lot to rectify that mess. One smart dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Oh yeah? what exactly did we get. A contract that was impossible to trade You can't retroactively go back and judge a contract that was signed at market value at the time. Whatever happened after the contract is signed is irrelevant to your statement on the management of the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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