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2 hours ago, WeneedLumme said:

I agree, but the difference in tax rates and cost of living make that pretty much break even between playing in Vancouver and playing in Russia. So it's not really costing him financially to play for his hometown team, at least in the short term.

 

Long term of course is different. Several years from now I could see him earning in the NHL a salary that would eat up half of a Russian team's salary cap.

Canadian taxes only apply to games played here.  I suspect a good accountant can find ways to whittle down his Canadian taxes.  I suspect the team has housing for some of the younger guys as well.  There are probably other perks as well.

 

Find it hard to believe the taxes in Russia are only 13% for a citizen making millions.  Hopefully someone can verify this?  Source?

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Man talk about a good problem

 

We are running out of cap space because our players are good

I think Benning needs to be careful here, as all GM's would have to be in his case

 

With Boeser most likely in the 6.75 to 7.25 range, Pettersson's contract coming up (8 to 9 M range?), Hughes coming up (we will see), etc

We have precious little cap to waste...…..

 

Tryamkin's show me contract should be around Hutton's old contract (pro-rated), so what 3.5 to 4 M? This is where a good capoligist is needed.

 

This is why guys like Sutter, Baertschi, Tanev, and Markstrom are expendable...……= 16 Million ish in current contracts and all due for a raises 

 

either next year or the year after...………..not only are they older in a young mans game, but we will not be able to afford them all, and will have to

 

have room to add the Podkolzin's, Tryamkin's, Hoglander's. etc

 

This is why as much as anything, we need to sign Tryamkin...…….he will be 26 going into next season, with no real replacement for Tanev other than him.

 

 

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2 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

Man talk about a good problem

 

We are running out of cap space because our players are good

I think Benning needs to be careful here, as all GM's would have to be in his case

 

With Boeser most likely in the 6.75 to 7.25 range, Pettersson's contract coming up (8 to 9 M range?), Hughes coming up (we will see), etc

We have precious little cap to waste...…..

 

Tryamkin's show me contract should be around Hutton's old contract (pro-rated), so what 3.5 to 4 M? This is where a good capoligist is needed.

 

This is why guys like Sutter, Baertschi, Tanev, and Markstrom are expendable...……= 16 Million ish in current contracts and all due for a raises 

 

either next year or the year after...………..not only are they older in a young mans game, but we will not be able to afford them all, and will have to

 

have room to add the Podkolzin's, Tryamkin's, Hoglander's. etc

 

This is why as much as anything, we need to sign Tryamkin...…….he will be 26 going into next season, with no real replacement for Tanev other than him.

 

 

I think Sutter is good trade material. Veteran shut down guy, good for insurance shut down on the 3rd or 4th line, I think there are a few teams that could use help to get into the playoffs or post season. I think Baer and Goldy are the same type of player and we could trade one of them.

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Avto plays Severstal at home in the season opener on Sep 2.

 

In an unrelated note, Datsyuk is listed in the LTIR list published today by the KHL. He had some successful surgery two weeks ago (no details provided, just mentioned that this was the same type of injury that bothered him back in the NHL). The optimistic expectation is that he would be in the lineup by October.

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7 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:

I think Sutter is good trade material. Veteran shut down guy, good for insurance shut down on the 3rd or 4th line, I think there are a few teams that could use help to get into the playoffs or post season. I think Baer and Goldy are the same type of player and we could trade one of them.

I totally agree with you

 

Which IMHO it should be Baertschi is at all possible

 

Goldy is younger and with no concussion history, and will be considerable cheaper for the next few years

 

Which if you look at our roster it makes so much more sense to keep Goldy

 

 

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13 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

I totally agree with you

 

Which IMHO it should be Baertschi is at all possible

 

Goldy is younger and with no concussion history, and will be considerable cheaper for the next few years

 

Which if you look at our roster it makes so much more sense to keep Goldy

 

 

Baer is good defensively and can easily slide to the third line.

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1 hour ago, stawns said:

Baer is good defensively and can easily slide to the third line.

I don't disagree with you Stawns

 

But, I see Baertschi as expendable, as to me it is a saw off....he has value, he is offensive, he can play defense, but I do not believe he is what Benning wants to build around.

 

If he had not signed Ferland and Miller, and drafting so many forwards....also, age and concussions are coming into my position on him.

 

It is not that he would not help, it is just the line up is getting longer, and he isn't moving up, as players are passing him in a projection basis (aka looking forward)

 

No doubt he still contributes, but to me it is who we keep and who we move

 

I think as we get closer to a playoff team, Baertschi value to the team is loosing steam...…...he is not built to be a playoff warrior, IMO

 

His talent and playmaking abilities make him valuable, his age, durability, and our depth make him expendable

 

Same as Sutter, and Tanev to much the same degree...………….I mentioned Markstrom, which is just that he will want upwards of 5+ Million next contract, again IMO

 

So, although this is a Tryamkin thread, it is all inter connected IMO, and for every player we add, I think there will need to be a subtraction, and that is not just off the bottom end

 

as those players, don't necessarily replace the players on the first 2 lines, and visa-versa

 

The question is, how much does Benning value these next 2 years, because even Tryamkin is starting to have a shorter shelf life, considering he would be termed as 

 

unproven, again...…(that 3 years didn't help him at all, contractually $$$) 

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On 8/30/2019 at 10:12 AM, aGENT said:

Not sure where people get this thinking from...

 

 

It's weird that Gilman was so widely known as our capologist, but you have to do some serious digging to find out who our current capologist is. I Googled it and found nothing. Anyone know who this person is??

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17 minutes ago, VIC_CITY said:

It's weird that Gilman was so widely known as our capologist, but you have to do some serious digging to find out who our current capologist is. I Googled it and found nothing. Anyone know who this person is??

Gino Odjick. We're in good hands!

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11 hours ago, VIC_CITY said:

It's weird that Gilman was so widely known as our capologist, but you have to do some serious digging to find out who our current capologist is. I Googled it and found nothing. Anyone know who this person is??

Who ever it is should be replaced after the Ericksson contract. Gilman was way to smart. A lawyer by profession he read contracts with a jaundiced eye. One thing I always liked was I was told if an agent called to talk contract Gilman would never do it and would call the agent back after he had prepared and familiar with the terms. Only then would he discuss detail 

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7 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

Who ever it is should be replaced after the Ericksson contract. Gilman was way to smart. A lawyer by profession he read contracts with a jaundiced eye. One thing I always liked was I was told if an agent called to talk contract Gilman would never do it and would call the agent back after he had prepared and familiar with the terms. Only then would he discuss detail 

Loui's deal was fair market value at the time

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11 hours ago, VIC_CITY said:

It's weird that Gilman was so widely known as our capologist, but you have to do some serious digging to find out who our current capologist is. I Googled it and found nothing. Anyone know who this person is??

I think “capologist” is mostly a media-created term anyway. I doubt you’ll find anyone listed as a capologist in an NHL front office/hockey ops. But Jonathan Wall originally took over many of Gilman’s duties. And Benning has also delegated most CBA related matters to Chris Gear. I’d imagine those two handle “capology” for the Canucks. If I were to speculate, Wall probably handles tracking (likely with some junior staff member doing day-to-day number crunching), and Gear is there for risk management and legal expertise, when it comes to finalizing contracts, and long term planning assessments, when it pertains to club salary/cap. I don’t think the Canucks have somebody on the payroll as a “capologist” but between Wall and Gear, and their subordinates, they have cap matters well in hand. Gear specifically has seen his role and influence grow in recent years, when it comes to contracts and CBA issues, as Benning continues to delegate many of the matters where he’s had some earlier missteps.

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Gilman was well respected  by the league hence when they looked at setting rules for the expansion ( Vegas) the league hired Gilman  to review and set the detail. That's why the Leafs hired him to review their Cap mess and he has for the most part done a lot to rectify that mess. One smart dude

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13 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

Oh yeah? what exactly did we get. A contract that was impossible to trade

You can't retroactively go back and judge a contract that was signed at market value at the time.  Whatever happened after the contract is signed is irrelevant to your statement on the management of the cap.

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