DeNiro Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Just now, N7Nucks said: Are we blaming Gillis and only Gillis for the NTCs now? Implying Gilman was against them? Lol. Where did I say that? Gillis would have had the final say on all deals though. He constantly spoke about giving out a NTC as a way to get players to take less. So at the end of the day he is responsible for those contracts. It was his job on the line after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: Where did I say that? Gillis would have had the final say on all deals though. He constantly spoke about giving out a NTC as a way to get players to take less. So at the end of the day he is responsible for those contracts. It was his job on the line after all. I boldened the part where you implied it. And the fact you are going at Gillis now further implies it. He is the figure head. I don't recall ever hearing people giving a crap what Gilman had to say. He's never at any of the end of season pressers etc. As the "capologist" I'd imagine he had a say on the NTCs. Otherwise he is a terrible "capologist". Sounds like you are just trying to absolve him of any blame by further crapping on Gillis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 4 hours ago, nzan said: That story arc took place over about a full season, it wasn’t like Gillis woke up the day of the draft and started shooting from the hip. it happened because Lu was mad about his usage in the playoffs. It occurred over the course of a few weeks. It was totally off the cuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I don't think a goalie will ever be captain again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 8 hours ago, stawns said: I would argue that Gilman totally screwed this organization, along with MG with the deals they gave out to that team. Seems to me like he never once considered the long term implications of his "genius". Gillis knew he wouldn't be around to deal with the NTCs. All GMs do it. What's the average life span of a GM, 3 or 4 years? It sucked that Benning had to start out with those NTCs but that's just the name of the game these days. Benning's replacement will be dealing with the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 25 minutes ago, VIC_CITY said: Gillis knew he wouldn't be around to deal with the NTCs. All GMs do it. What's the average life span of a GM, 3 or 4 years? It sucked that Benning had to start out with those NTCs but that's just the name of the game these days. Benning's replacement will be dealing with the same thing. A lot do, I absolutely agree. Good GM'S don't, imo. Again, I loved that team and can understand why they went that direction......however, it was obvious what was coming after it crashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 16 minutes ago, stawns said: A lot do, I absolutely agree. Good GM'S don't, imo. Again, I loved that team and can understand why they went that direction......however, it was obvious what was coming after it crashed. It's a year old, but I found a list of all NTC and NMC across the league. Some teams definitely doing it more than others. A year ago there were 2 or 3 teams who hardly had any. But it was pretty wide spread across the league. https://www.thefourthperiod.com/no-trade-clauses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bell Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 (edited) Interesting Nathan Mackinnon doesn't have a no trade or no movement clause and the same can be said for Bo. Looking thru that list of no trade/move contracts, it seems like a lot of GMs were stretched for some marginal players. Edited September 3, 2019 by StealthNuck Language Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 On 9/1/2019 at 7:49 PM, Bell said: Interesting Nathan Mackinnon doesn't have a no trade or no movement clause and the same can be said for Bo. Looking thru that list of no trade/move contracts, it seems like a lot of GMs were stretchedfor some marginal players. I think NTC/NMC are UFA only 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 3 hours ago, VIC_CITY said: Gillis knew he wouldn't be around to deal with the NTCs. All GMs do it. What's the average life span of a GM, 3 or 4 years? It sucked that Benning had to start out with those NTCs but that's just the name of the game these days. Benning's replacement will be dealing with the same thing. That short lifespan for a GM is if they suck. I doubt GMs plan on sucking. What if he got an extension and trapped himself? He didn't give them NTCs thinking he's gone by then anyway, he gave it to them so they would take a lower cap, so they could try to fit in the best team they could without going over the cap. He was constantly (and Gilman too) planning on ways to "circumvent" the cap under the rules allowed (see Luongo's contract). As a former player agent, he likely knew what players would be willing to take on for a bit less money. Look at some of the better teams in the league (SJ, Nashville, Tampa, etc) and their GMs have been around for a long time. In Tampa's case, Yzerman was around for nearly a decade but could've been longer had he not stepped down. Some GMs need some time for continuity to see a plan through and sometimes that's accepting that mistakes will happen and sometimes not every move works out (of course there are some bad ones and that's where ownership/a president need to know when to cut ties). If you're constantly changing GMs then you're also constantly changing the plan (because why would the next GM continue the path of the previous GM and why would they hire someone else to keep following the same path) and the direction of the team gets lost. Considering what Benning had to start with and where it is now in the timeframe so far, it's nothing short of a miracle. He is completely deserving of seeing things through with that he has built so far and if a new GM would be coming into the fold in the near future, it will be a sweet gig as most of the groundwork has been laid out. Benning's plan is unfolding, but a new GM could take it in a whole different direction that could turn the ship back around and sink it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 The end of the Gillis era as brought about by ownership. Gillis new, heck Tortorella ( and openly stated so ) new the team was stale and needed to chnage and ownership wanted to get blood out of a stone. The result was Torts ( who was not Gillis choice ) and shortly there after Gillis were released. Sadly this delayed a rebuild for many years. It was inevitable, the two beliefs would collide, the need to rebuild and the desire to string out a few more seasons mediocrity. The owner can do what he wishes, he bank rolled the team and you do what the boss tells you, except it didn't work. During the Gillis era I personally enjoyed hockey likely as much it not more so than and era of my support ( season ticket holder since 1973 ) it was fun to go to the games and mostly because the team enjoyed unprecedented success. Two Presidents trophies and a game 7 of the SC. Never achieved before and it'll be a long time before it happens again. Gillis last move of defiance was when he traded what was surely to be a franchise goalie ( Schneider ) for Horvat, IMO that's worked out pretty good. Now for those that have recently added to the Canuck fan base it likely doesn't matter, it's the here and now. For me it was a drive down Robson Street with thousand out celebrating and every one having a great time. I'm pretty sure Francesco wants a cup very badly while his father can enjoy the moment but that wish resulted in a false dichotomy and has resulted in a prolonged delay. When JB joined the Canucks his grand statement was this team is easy to turn around, and that was 5 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Tryamkin with a good game.Caught the last half, Avto won 3-2 in OT. Try with a nice pinch sealing the puck off for his forward to get a great scoring chance. He was effective on the PK (as Severstal looked dangerous with their last PP). He also made a nice cross ice dive to his stomach, then poke check, to interfere with a Severstal scoring chance (the Severstal forward pyloned Tryamkin's defense partner) Severstal actually looked more comfortable on the NHL sized ice than Automobilist. I think it was Avto's home opener. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: Tryamkin with a good game.Caught the last half, Avto won 3-2 in OT. Try with a nice pinch sealing the puck off for his forward to get a great scoring chance. He was effective on the PK (as Severstal looked dangerous with their last PP). He also made a nice cross ice dive to his stomach, then poke check, to interfere with a Severstal scoring chance (the Severstal forward pyloned Tryamkin's defense partner) Severstal actually looked more comfortable on the NHL sized ice than Automobilist. I think it was Avto's home opener. Avto’s home ice is NHL sized now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: Avto’s home ice is NHL sized now? yes 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Just now, Hairy Kneel said: yes That’s awesome! Tryamkin is better on smaller ice. When he comes over here, there will not be the need to adjust too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Hairy Kneel said: yes well thats a nice development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Standing_Tall#37 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 I’m just curious as to why people think he’s coming back? Has there been any indications or is it just wishful thinking on the fan base? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 19 minutes ago, Standing_Tall#37 said: I’m just curious as to why people think he’s coming back? Has there been any indications or is it just wishful thinking on the fan base? The prophets have seen it. He is the chosen one. That, and he has left that door wide open, has talked favourably about Canucks developments, and follows them closely through social media, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hairy Kneel Posted September 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2019 15 minutes ago, Standing_Tall#37 said: I’m just curious as to why people think he’s coming back? Has there been any indications or is it just wishful thinking on the fan base? He hasn't renewed with Avto his contract runs out at the end of the season Feb 27(unless they go into the playoffs). He still has his Instagram in a Canuck uniform. He has expressed a desire to come back. He makes sub one million there should at least double his pay here, if not more. He still follows our games and players. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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