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11 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

nope see my post a few above - you can bring guys in if they are on your reserve list and in the NCAA or KHL. McAvoy from Boston e.g., came in from college right into the playoffs for 6 games to begin his career. 

Makar as well for the Avs I believe. 

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2 hours ago, SilentSam said:

So does this allow Nik to get in the lineup in our playoffs without playing a regular season game? ( I think it does) .

I would love to see this, but wouldnt it mean he becomes exposed in the expansion draft? If so, I'd rather wait to see him play next season.

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21 minutes ago, Slegr said:

I would love to see this, but wouldnt it mean he becomes exposed in the expansion draft? If so, I'd rather wait to see him play next season.

Jeeesh...  it get complicated doesn’t it?

im not exactly sure,  but I thought I read he is protected because of the amount of games he played during his first full season with us (roughly 66)

.. but I’m with you, I would rather find a way to Make him ineligible, protect or hide him from the Extorsion draft.

 

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1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

nope see my post a few above - you can bring guys in if they are on your reserve list and in the NCAA or KHL. McAvoy from Boston e.g.,  in from college right into the playoffs for 6 games to begin his career. 

Oh I understand that, but as I said that will be the first move JB will make and indicate he intendeds to add NT. Currently they have only 47 of their 50 total in use. When JB activates his option to move NT from the reserve list to the contract list. However correct  me if I'm wrong but apart from injuries are  they not limited to recall to the working roster  3 choices ??

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5 hours ago, Boudrias said:

Tanev is a steadying influence whether for Hughes or hopefully Tryamkin if he comes back on the LD. It is all about the TOI and the prospects. When Benning resigned Tanev he had little option. 

Tanev's game experience:

2012-13: 67 games split between the AHL & NHL

    13-14: 64

    14-15: 70

    15-16: 69

    16-17: 53

    17-18: 42

    18-19: 55

One could also make the argument that with a deeper roster Tanev might not experience the same down time. I am sure he played many games he should not have which could have impacted his recovery time. Your point earlier about potential o-zone upside is well taken. He has been wheeling up ice, with speed, more this year. If Tryamkin is really available this spring it means a contract and again dealing with the CAP issue.  

I think his offensive IQ is underrated, even before this season. He's responsible to be the defensive guy, but he has good instincts. I would like to keep him, but you're right about the cap issues. I was only arguing against the idea that we supposedly should have traded him 3 years ago unknowing of his injury issues to come and considering his skill set. He re-signed because there was little to replace him and he simply was a good player.

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15 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

I think his offensive IQ is underrated, even before this season. He's responsible to be the defensive guy, but he has good instincts. I would like to keep him, but you're right about the cap issues. I was only arguing against the idea that we supposedly should have traded him 3 years ago unknowing of his injury issues to come and considering his skill set. He re-signed because there was little to replace him and he simply was a good player.

My feelings are pretty mixed about Tan-man. We're approaching 500 games with this fine citizen, & he's as brave a shot-blocker as you'll find. Him & Eagle have carried on the passion/compete from the glory yrs. But then...

 

When he starts rolling(& season is well-in) he gets hurt.

Or opponents running around in a mess. Puck pops out to the point(prime time for a booming blast)..& you see it's CT, & a waffling knuckler that dips in an air pocket.

So he has NO shot, & he'll never punish opponents. Two big deficiencies, to counterbalance his impressive attributes.

 

We Neeed cap space for this yr & next(rookie bonuses exacerbate the crunch). We signed Benn, who can handle(w/physicality) the right side too. Take a 2nd or 3rd(+ prospect) for CT, & call it a day.

 

Yeah..forget about the TBay/Miller shyte(worries about high 1st next yr..blah x3), & everything else. IF we can get a decent return..do it.

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3 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

I can agree with those reasons for not wanting to re-sign Tanev, but who replaces him next season? Remember, we could potentially be giving up an unprotected 1st rounder next year, so it's not a great time to take a step back. Do you think that any of Tryamkin, Brisebois, Rafferty, etc. can actually step into that role effectively? I don't. 

 

Benning hasn't been able to find a suitable replacement for Tanev in 5-ish years. If he did we would be much more comfortable letting him walk. 

I think collectively Tryamkin, Brisebois and Rafferty can replace both Tanev and Stecher.  We don't have the cap space to keep Tanev and Stecher, which would cost us upwards of $9 million next year.  Rafferty at $700k is already better than Stecher offensively, he just needs to work on his defensive game.  We also have the option to re-sign Fatenberg, so Rafferty could in essence be our 7th D and you play Benn on the right side with Fatenberg next year.  Rafferty comes in and out of the lineup to provide offence.  That can make up for losing Tanev.  And it would be a lot cheaper to re-sign Fatenberg than Tanev.  As a matter of fact, Fatenberg, Tryamkin, Rafferty and Brisbois combined would be less of a cap hit than keeping Tanev.

 

At the end of the day if we can turn Demko and Stecher + into a top 6 forward and integrate our younger D into the lineup to replace Tanev and Stecher and eventually Edler and Benn then that is the long term plan for Benning and the right one for future success as it would eliminate any cap issues and it would get all our young prospects into the lineup.

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3 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said:

The following year we lose Edler who will be 35 and possibly retiring.  I can’t imagine being without both in 2 years and Tanev would be the much more viable option at that point. 
 

We have enough guys contracts gone to re-sign Petey and Hughes. Baer, Sutter, Edler, Benn, Pearson. 
 

Tanev would be a good stop gap veterans for the youth. 4/5 years to allow young guys to step much. Can’t expect any of the young guys to fill his spot and be as effective so quickly. That’s a risk and if it doesn’t pan out we’re stuck with having a sign a random UFA who would be probably more costly. 
 

If Tanev decides to walk that changes things obviously but it is up to Benning and co to see where his head is at before TD. 

I went through Cap Friendly and I don't see any scenario where we can keep Tanev at $5-6 million for upwards of 5 years.  Unless we somehow get rid of Loui, Baertschi and Sutter next year, which isn't gonna happen.  Plus we need their cap space to re-sign Marky, Petey and Quinn.  The numbers just don't add up.  We need to replace Tanev and eventually Edler with our cheaper young prospects and integrate them into the roster.  It is the only way for us to be cap compliant and the only way for future success.  

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14 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

I went through Cap Friendly and I don't see any scenario where we can keep Tanev at $5-6 million for upwards of 5 years.  Unless we somehow get rid of Loui, Baertschi and Sutter next year, which isn't gonna happen.  Plus we need their cap space to re-sign Marky, Petey and Quinn.  The numbers just don't add up.  We need to replace Tanev and eventually Edler with our cheaper young prospects and integrate them into the roster.  It is the only way for us to be cap compliant and the only way for future success.  

Petey and Hughes need to be re-signed the year after this one not this year. That year Pearson, Sutter, Edler, Spooner, Baer and Benn are all up. That's a lot of cap right there. More than enough to sign Petey and Hughes.

 

I doubt the defenseman we have are gonna step in and make an impact like Hughes, especially defensively. They would have to in order to let Tanev go, especially with Edler gone the following year. That takes time. If we are without Edler and Tanev in 2 years without any sort of veteran replacement/stop gap we are not gonna have success for a while till we go through the growing pains of a young D-core.

 

We need a stop gap top 4 defenseman. Someone to carry the load for the next little bit to allow the young guys we have(Juolevi, Rafferty, Rathbone, Woo, Tryamkin) to adjust to the game and take up that defensive responisbility. Are forwards are way ahead of our D. 

 

What we should do is re-sign Tanev because he'd be probably cheaper than any other top 4 D on the market and then let Edler go the following year who will be 35 and might even be looking at retirement at that point.

 

Edit: We should let Stech go as well since he is due for a raise we can't afford with his qualifying offer.

 

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20 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

I went through Cap Friendly and I don't see any scenario where we can keep Tanev at $5-6 million for upwards of 5 years.  Unless we somehow get rid of Loui, Baertschi and Sutter next year, which isn't gonna happen.  Plus we need their cap space to re-sign Marky, Petey and Quinn.  The numbers just don't add up.  We need to replace Tanev and eventually Edler with our cheaper young prospects and integrate them into the roster.  It is the only way for us to be cap compliant and the only way for future success.  

Petey and Quinn don't get re-signed until the 21-22 season and we will have quite a number of current contract off the books by then including Sutter, Baer and Spooner. It has also been rumored that LE will retire after he gets his bonus next summer, so that should also be clear. That being said, I don't see Edler being here beyond his current contract and Tanev, who knows. You are right though, we do need younger D-men to step up, hopefully Tram is one.

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Just now, Junkyard Dog said:

Petey and Hughes need to be re-signed the year after this one not this year. That year Pearson, Sutter, Edler, Spooner, Baer and Benn are all up. That's a lot of cap right there. More than enough to sign Petey and Hughes.

 

I doubt the defenseman we have are gonna step in and make an impact like Hughes, especially defensively. They would have to in order to let Tanev go, especially with Edler gone the following year. That takes time. If we are without Edler and Tanev in 2 years without any sort of veteran replacement/stop gap we are not gonna have success for a while till we go through the growing pains of a young D-core.

 

We need a stop gap top 4 defenseman. Someone to carry the load for the next little bit to allow the young guys we have(Juolevi, Rafferty, Rathbone, Woo, Tryamkin) to adjust to the game and take up that defensive responisbility. Are forwards are way ahead of our D. 

 

What we should do is re-sign Tanev because he'd be probably cheaper than any other top 4 D on the market and then let Edler go the following year who will be 35 and might even be looking at retirement at that point.

 

What about Markstrom, Virtanen, Gaudette and Motte?  They need new contracts next year.  Like I said go through the numbers, it doesn't add up.  Plus you are looking at $16-18 million to re-sign Petey and Quinn.  That money will easily be eaten up by Baertschi, Sutter, Edler, Spooner, Pearson and Benn.  Plus you have several bodies you have to replace with cheaper contracts.  So add another $4-5 million to that number.  Like I said it doesn't add up.  

 

The only way we can re-sign Tanev is if Loui retires and we clear his $6 million and Ferland is on LTIR for another year...

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5 minutes ago, aliboy said:

Petey and Quinn don't get re-signed until the 21-22 season and we will have quite a number of current contract off the books by then including Sutter, Baer and Spooner. It has also been rumored that LE will retire after he gets his bonus next summer, so that should also be clear. That being said, I don't see Edler being here beyond his current contract and Tanev, who knows. You are right though, we do need younger D-men to step up, hopefully Tram is one.

Like I already mentioned go through Cap Friendly, the numbers don't add up.  Only way to keep Tanev around is if Loui retires and we keep Ferland on LTIR. 

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13 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Like I already mentioned go through Cap Friendly, the numbers don't add up.  Only way to keep Tanev around is if Loui retires and we keep Ferland on LTIR. 

I've already looked at one of the sites and we're fine, but again, I don't see re-signing Tanev as being imperative.

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17 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

What about Markstrom, Virtanen, Gaudette and Motte?  They need new contracts next year.  Like I said go through the numbers, it doesn't add up.  Plus you are looking at $16-18 million to re-sign Petey and Quinn.  That money will easily be eaten up by Baertschi, Sutter, Edler, Spooner, Pearson and Benn.  Plus you have several bodies you have to replace with cheaper contracts.  So add another $4-5 million to that number.  Like I said it doesn't add up.  

 

The only way we can re-sign Tanev is if Loui retires and we clear his $6 million and Ferland is on LTIR for another year...

I can't see Gaudette/Virtanen/Motte getting huge deals or even lengthy ones. The year after we sign Petey and Hughes we will be getting a boatload of cap. That's probably when we will sign Gaudette, Virtanen and Boeser to longer deals.

 

I don't see us signing Hughes to a monster deal off his ELC. He and Gaudette don't have any abritration rights and can't receive an offer-sheet. Benning is gonna take that to his advantage. Petey probably will get one though.

 

I doubt Marky and Tanev probably will get much more than they're making. 

 

We are also talking under the assumption that we don't make trades or Loui doesn't retire(would be amazing if he did). I could see teams taking Pearson, Benn, Sutter  easy and maybe even take a chance on Baer for a year.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Junkyard Dog said:

I can't see Gaudette/Virtanen/Motte getting huge deals or even lengthy ones. The year after we sign Petey and Hughes we will be getting a boatload of cap. That's probably when we will sign Gaudette, Virtanen and Boeser to longer deals.

 

I don't see us signing Hughes to a monster deal off his ELC. He and Gaudette don't have any abritration rights and can't receive an offer-sheet. Benning is gonna take that to his advantage which he shouldPetey could get one though.

 

I doubt Marky and Tanev probably will get much more than they're making. 

 

We are also talking under the assumption that we don't make trades or Loui doesn't retire(would be amazing if he did). I could see teams taking Pearson, Benn, Sutter  easy and maybe even take a chance on Baer for a year.

 

 

Virtanen will be getting a big raise.  If he hits over 20 goals he could get close otrto $3 million.  Petey is going to get Marner money.  Hughes will get whatever Makar gets.  I wouldn't be surprised if he gets over $5 million.  As for Mary do you honestly think he is going to sign for $3.6 million as a UFA?  Seriously?  Marky is getting paid.  Either Benning pays him or somebody else will.  It will be closer to $6 million than it will be to $3.6 million.

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As things stand right now, in 21-22 we are going to have around half our cap available, with lots of young players stepping up like Madden, Podkolzin and Hoglander, along with at least a couple of young D-men. There will be the odd tough decision, but that's the business side of the game.

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13 minutes ago, aliboy said:

I've already looked at one of the sites and we're fine, but again, I don't see re-signing Tanev as being imperative.

Not sure what site you are looking at but Cap Friendly shows us right at the cap without re-signing Tanev or Stecher, and replacing them with cheaper contracts like Tryamkin and Rafferty.  I added a few million to account for the re-signing of Marky, Gaudette, Virtanen and Motte.  I even sent Loui and Baer down to the minors and took $2 million off of their salaries.

 

If we were to shed Loui's salary completely then that is the money for Tanev.  Likewise with Baertschi then that is the money for Stecher.

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3 minutes ago, aliboy said:

As things stand right now, in 21-22 we are going to have around half our cap available, with lots of young players stepping up like Madden, Podkolzin and Hoglander, along with at least a couple of young D-men. There will be the odd tough decision, but that's the business side of the game.

You really need to look at Cap Friendly closely.  It shows half our cap is available in 21-22 but with only 8 contracts signed.

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12 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Virtanen will be getting a big raise.  If he hits over 20 goals he could get close otrto $3 million.  Petey is going to get Marner money.  Hughes will get whatever Makar gets.  I wouldn't be surprised if he gets over $5 million.  As for Mary do you honestly think he is going to sign for $3.6 million as a UFA?  Seriously?  Marky is getting paid.  Either Benning pays him or somebody else will.  It will be closer to $6 million than it will be to $3.6 million.

I never said he is gonna get 3.6 million but he isn't getting more than 5 here which is what I think he will re-sign for. If he wants 6 million he can walk. I think Marky cares about term and security more so than money with Seattle looming. You see him signing a 6 million NMC contract long term anywhere? I don't. Teams are gonna stay away from huge goalie contracts after Bobrovsky.

 

I see Virtanen and Gaudette getting around 2.5 million each in a bridge deal till the year after Petey and Hughes are signed since we're getting cap like I mentioned. Then they can sign longer term. Gaudette and Hughes have zero arbitration rights and can't be offer sheeted so their next contract won't be their biggest one. Yeah Petey is gonna get paid, I see that easy. Marner money? Hopefully he signs for a bit less so we can build a better team but not everyone is like MacKinnon.

 

It really shouldn't be a problem to re-sign Tanev. We have a lot of options next year. Like trade as I mentioned. Rafferty and Tryamkin aren't sure things. I don't see any NHL teams putting so faith in anything that aren't sure things. The Canucks are gonna tread a lot more carefully.

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