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3 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

hard to tell from the short blips of video but from the regular game watches that seems to be the case. 

 

I think Nik will be even more effective on smaller NHL ice. I would expect to see him be used by Green very much in a stay at home role as well. He's so damn big I'm not sure you really want him clearing the net tho, he'll just screen Marky most of the time :lol:

Good thing Tryamkin is already playing on NHL ice and had often looked like one of the better players on his team.

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18 minutes ago, Outsiders said:

We would have easily gotten a 2nd for Hamhuis and a 3rd or prospect for Miller.  Let me list the following for you.

 

Drafted in 2nd round since Benning took over

 

Demko

Lind

Hoglander

Woo

Gadjovich

 

Drafted in 3rd round since Benning took over

 

Madden

Tryamkin

DiPietro

Lockwood

Brisebois 

 

 

I highlighted the players above I feel will play a role for our team going forward. I count 7 players. Now tell me, what are Hamhuis and Miller doing for us?

 

 

We had potentially a 2nd lined up with one of the few teams he was willing to waive his NTC for. They balked and offered less. We told them to pound sand. They got eliminated early in the playoffs. We had a much better TDL the following year. Karma.

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1 minute ago, theo5789 said:

Well Tryamkin's home ice is NHL sized, so he gets practices and plenty of game time on an NHL surface.

even better, I thought it was just a couple of other clubs. 

 

does anyone have a home vs road split on stats? I'd be curious to know if Nik actually plays better on smaller ice. 

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55 minutes ago, Outsiders said:

Can't afford to let a pending UFA with value walk for free. That is why our rebuild took so long in the first place. We let to many players walk, (Ryan Miller, Dan Hamhuis) We aren't winning the cup this year. So many posters on here are implying Tanev is a make it or break it type player. If he really is other teams will overpay, as they think  Tanev will put them over the top.  We will receive a 1st rounder or top prospect. This is the difference between having a elite team around Petey and Hughes and an "average team" down the line. Have to continue to restock the prospect pool. That's how good teams stay competitive. When guys want huge money and term, they have a cheaper option to replace that guy and the drop off ain't much between players. I'm not paying Tanev 5 million for 3-4 years. I'm replacing him with Tryamkin, Rafferty, or Juolevi and using that extra cap space to find other avenues to make my team better, or saving  it for Petey/Hughes extensions. 

Who said Tanev was a make or break player? I've personally only said that he gives us the best chance moving forward. Teams don't downgrade going into the playoffs. The team and players are not thinking this isn't their year. Every year counts, that's why they play the games. Did anyone predict Tampa would get swept in the 1st round last year?

 

See Edmonton, Toronto, Buffalo, etc for long-ass rebuilds. We have actually turned it around in remarkably short order that the pro-tank crew hasn't been able to process it fast enough.

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4 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

even better, I thought it was just a couple of other clubs. 

 

does anyone have a home vs road split on stats? I'd be curious to know if Nik actually plays better on smaller ice. 

https://www.flashscore.ca/hockey/russia/khl/standings/

 

Looks like a much better record at home. Can't simply be attributed to Tryamkin though. Although Tryamkin's team overall seemed to have taken a dip while Tryamkin seemed to improve his game this year fwiw.

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1 minute ago, I.Am.Ironman said:

The shutdown role? I was going off of his last stint with us a few years ago. Once he got comfortable he wouldn't shy away from rushing the puck up ice.

Yeah, he's been playing the the same shutdown/PK role in the K as Tanev does here (granted, not likely to the same level of proficiency). 

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2 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

https://www.flashscore.ca/hockey/russia/khl/standings/

 

Looks like a much better record at home. Can't simply be attributed to Tryamkin though. Although Tryamkin's team overall seemed to have taken a dip while Tryamkin seemed to improve his game this year fwiw.

I think we pretty much know what we have already, an improved version of the guy we had 3 years ago. It certainly seems like he's improved physically. I don't put a ton of stock in KHL experience but we know he was able to play here already.

 

It would be pretty exciting to see him with Edler imo, that would be a lot for teams to handle. 

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11 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I think we pretty much know what we have already, an improved version of the guy we had 3 years ago. It certainly seems like he's improved physically. I don't put a ton of stock in KHL experience but we know he was able to play here already.

 

It would be pretty exciting to see him with Edler imo, that would be a lot for teams to handle. 

The problem is some here think that he's simply going to be picking up from where he last left off here. As if there is no growth in the 3 years he's been away (assuming the same crowd that think development is poor in the KHL eg Podkolzin).

 

I think the biggest improvement is his maturity. I think he has figured out what he needs to do to be effective and successful. If he brings that mindset here, then we certainly have a player.

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23 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

The problem is some here think that he's simply going to be picking up from where he last left off here. As if there is no growth in the 3 years he's been away (assuming the same crowd that think development is poor in the KHL eg Podkolzin).

 

I think the biggest improvement is his maturity. I think he has figured out what he needs to do to be effective and successful. If he brings that mindset here, then we certainly have a player.

maturity will play a big part, but I think his "development" in the KHL is a bit over-stated.  I don't think he's going to come in (if he comes over at all) and be a top 4 dman.  He was a 6/7 when he bolted and probably hasn't progressed much, in NHL terms, beyond that

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2 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said:

A massive amount of Hughes' ascension has been due to Tanev.    Not sure how a fan of this team wouldn't be aware of this.

I think everyone knows that Rob

 

But Hughes play is the driver of the 2 by far

Would also say that Markstrom 's play has a lot to do with the same

Virtanen's ascension has also helped

as has Millers, as is to a lesser degree Pearsons

 

Point being a lot of factors

 

I am not trying to scream the sky is falling when we are playing so well

but, there is a lot of moving parts just in our cap situation

I personally look forward to see it all unfold...….

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6 minutes ago, stawns said:

maturity will play a big part, but I think his "development" in the KHL is a bit over-stated.  I don't think he's going to come in (if he comes over at all) and be a top 4 dman.  He was a 6/7 when he bolted and probably hasn't progressed much, in NHL terms, beyond that

We will see. No one has suggested that he would walk right into a top 4 role (assuming he's here before this season ends). I personally have been suggesting that we keep Tanev to see what we have in Tryamkin before putting all the eggs in that basket. With that said, based on the role he plays in the KHL and give him an offseason to prepare and a camp to fight for a spot and I wouldn't be surprised if he's playing 18-20 minutes a night here (considering he was already averaging 17 minutes a night when he left here anyway). He has grown his defensive game and now is using it on a NHL sized rink. I think it's going to translate well once he adjusts to the systems and settles down here (which will be easier this time around with said maturity and familiarity from his last go around).

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8 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

I think everyone knows that Rob

 

But Hughes play is the driver of the 2 by far

Would also say that Markstrom 's play has a lot to do with the same

Virtanen's ascension has also helped

as has Millers, as is to a lesser degree Pearsons

 

Point being a lot of factors

 

I am not trying to scream the sky is falling when we are playing so well

but, there is a lot of moving parts just in our cap situation

I personally look forward to see it all unfold...….

Support players are just as important as the "drivers". With that said, Tanev is one of the "drivers" of the defense. Who takes over the top PK duties? My hopes is that Tryamkin would, but we will need to see if he is a feasible option before unloading Tanev and Tryamkin may not even be here until late March or April at the earliest if at all this season.

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8 hours ago, theo5789 said:

Do you not think Tanev has contributed to where we are today? He isn't some insignificant piece. Whether he helps us get the rest of the way to the playoffs or wins us a Cup isn't important (although I do think he would be a key part still, especially considering he's our top PK defender and a good balance to Hughes with his decent skating and high IQ) because he is part of the team. The players like him. If the entire team is going to win, then he's very much part of the team. No one downgrades their team heading into the playoffs. You go in with the best team moving forward. Every year counts as you don't know which year will be the one, you don't throw away any opportunities. When you hear Cinderella stories or 8th place teams winning the Cup, I doubt those teams were selling assets because they didn't think this would be their year anyway. Having the best playoff experience is going to outweigh whatever draft picks we are going to get who may or may not even pan out. We are getting past that window of needing to sell UFAs.

 

As long as Benning and crew keep hitting on late round picks (which we seem to be doing a fine job if so far), then it doesn't matter how many picks are added. Our prospect pool is filling up so we can push forward rather than rebuild forever.

 

I agree those players need to play and to see what we've got in them, but the playoff drive and playoffs is not the time to do this unless we have injuries or what not which opens up the opportunity for them. This is how you build a positive team culture (not selling away good team guys for "assets") and grow from experience (best possible team).

 

I should also add in part of the consideration is that if we make the playoffs, we are giving up our 1st. Might as well try and do the best we can to lower that pick are far as we can as well.

Tanev historically has crosshairs set on his back if another team wishes to upset the delicate balance of our D line up...

In playoff hockey, I highly doubt CT sees more than 5 games in a 7 game series.

We won’t be signing him next year.. and the season after that Edler will probably be gone..

perhaps I’m thinking further ahead than most..

but if we can benefit from trading Tanev while he is healthy, getting a good pick now is better than the eventual total loss that is pending.

CT is not going to make a difference to us in the playoffs.

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