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27 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

I’m positive he will be with us next season Jimmy, and yes, I think Tryamkin is chomping to be in the NHL now.. and yes, perhaps he signs for a 2.5 - 3ish number to prove it..   this is a player with Longetivity in the game, more so now with having gone back to the KHL  and mentally grow into that man size body to 25 yrs old , rather than have been at the opposite end of some pugilistic players in the NHL at 21 yrs.

He knows this is the best league in the world,.   And he wants to be the best he possibly can

 

27 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

I'd be fine with 5 yrs x 3 mill. Treat this kid with integrity now. Make him feel at home. He'll be a massive warrior for the team.

It would be interesting to see if Jim's thinking longer term.... an AAV of 3.5 over 5 years would set Nik up for life, thats for sure. If it was properly structured with bonuses early this might be a better idea than a short 2 year deal. 

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I would expect around 3 to 3.5

That would put him around  Hutton 2.8

or Zadarov 3.2.

I would say 2 years at 3.3 bridge 

I project him around  Tanev dollars  down the road. 

This going off a strong 79 game showing. And KHL seasoning. 

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6 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

 

It would be interesting to see if Jim's thinking longer term.... an AAV of 3.5 over 5 years would set Nik up for life, thats for sure. If it was properly structured with bonuses early this might be a better idea than a short 2 year deal. 

Perhaps that is what’s really setting this timeline up,.  Once we get to draft day and free agency it will be a fresh sheet.. but Vintages posts from twitter make it seems like Nik is penciled in with a fine point sharpie.

 

 

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13 hours ago, theo5789 said:

While I agree with you that Tryamkin has gotten better. He hasn't proven that at the NHL level yet. I doubt he gets a raise on that merit. He doesn't have much leverage back in the KHL either. I think we hold firm on a 2-2.5 million contract offer and he can choose to have a 1 or 2 year term to prove himself for a better next deal. The other option is if he wants 3 million, then I would ask for more term (4-5 years) to try and lock him down at a "lower" value with no trade clauses (if he doesn't pan out for whatever reason, some team will take a risk on him with his size and skating).

 

Someone like Zadorov just got a 3.2 million dollar deal for 1 year and he's proven a lot more at the NHL level and I think they are comparable players.

He already played well in the NHL as a rookie from another country and having to make both hockey and personal adjustments - doesn’t that prove that he can play in the NHL, especially when you admit yourself that playing in the KHL has made him better? I can think of two current Canuck defencemen that he is already better than. That said, 1.5 to 2.2 is probably about right.  Why? The league has changed to much more focus on mobility and skill on defence. I have full confidence in his defensive game, but I’d need to see a decent transition game.

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6 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

He already played well in the NHL as a rookie from another country and having to make both hockey and personal adjustments - doesn’t that prove that he can play in the NHL, especially when you admit yourself that playing in the KHL has made him better? I can think of two current Canuck defencemen that he is already better than. That said, 1.5 to 2.2 is probably about right.  Why? The league has changed to much more focus on mobility and skill on defence. I have full confidence in his defensive game, but I’d need to see a decent transition game.

I'm not concerned about his ability to play in the NHL, but we offered him 2 million before he left. I replied to a suggestion that he would get 3-3.5 million and I don't think he would he get a raise because he improved in the KHL. I think he needs to prove that here before he gets a raise on the original offer.

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5 hours ago, theo5789 said:

I'm not concerned about his ability to play in the NHL, but we offered him 2 million before he left. I replied to a suggestion that he would get 3-3.5 million and I don't think he would he get a raise because he improved in the KHL. I think he needs to prove that here before he gets a raise on the original offer.

I'm concerned about his view of the NHL. For what ever reason he doesn't seem to relate to the skill level of the NHL. However he can play, we've seen it ourselves and although the NHL has swung towards speed and he's been toiling in the KHL IMO he's a better gamble than players who have never played in the NHL. As of this moment he's a 5-6 player,  and adds an extra dimension to the blue line. Rafferty might bring more offence ( more than Stecher ? ) Vcr is not going to win the SC next season IMO now is the moment to polish some prospects for the near future. You don't just drop them into the mix at the last moment. This is an important moment in the Canucks future. You have to keep your eye on 2-3 years from now not what turns your crank today. JB feels confident the team has 7 prospects NHL ready, well lets see'em Jim

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7 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

I'm concerned about his view of the NHL. For what ever reason he doesn't seem to relate to the skill level of the NHL. However he can play, we've seen it ourselves and although the NHL has swung towards speed and he's been toiling in the KHL IMO he's a better gamble than players who have never played in the NHL. As of this moment he's a 5-6 player,  and adds an extra dimension to the blue line. Rafferty might bring more offence ( more than Stecher ? ) Vcr is not going to win the SC next season IMO now is the moment to polish some prospects for the near future. You don't just drop them into the mix at the last moment. This is an important moment in the Canucks future. You have to keep your eye on 2-3 years from now not what turns your crank today. JB feels confident the team has 7 prospects NHL ready, well lets see'em Jim

Honestly not sure what you mean about him not relating to the skill level in the NHL. He's not "toiling" in the KHL, he's matured and improved in the area that is his calling card which is defensive play (and Benning suggests he's a shutdown specialist).

 

Benning says he expects 6-7 prospects in the next 2 years. That could include MacEwen, Brisebois/Rafferty and maybe Juolevi for next season while Hoglander, Podz, Lind and Rathbone vying for spots the following season. Benning has faith in them, but they still need to earn their spots. The prospects control their own destiny if they put in the work and push someone out, no one is being handed a spot.

 

I disagree suggesting already that we have no chance at the Cup next year. If we make the playoffs, anything can happen. Not to say we go "all in", but I doubt management or the players have that mentality to write off the season already.

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37 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

Honestly not sure what you mean about him not relating to the skill level in the NHL. He's not "toiling" in the KHL, he's matured and improved in the area that is his calling card which is defensive play (and Benning suggests he's a shutdown specialist).

 

Benning says he expects 6-7 prospects in the next 2 years. That could include MacEwen, Brisebois/Rafferty and maybe Juolevi for next season while Hoglander, Podz, Lind and Rathbone vying for spots the following season. Benning has faith in them, but they still need to earn their spots. The prospects control their own destiny if they put in the work and push someone out, no one is being handed a spot.

 

I disagree suggesting already that we have no chance at the Cup next year. If we make the playoffs, anything can happen. Not to say we go "all in", but I doubt management or the players have that mentality to write off the season already.

He came to camp clearly out of shape originally ie he was totally unaware of the NHL bar setting. I think that's undisputed. We hope he knows better next time, assuming there is a next time.

The idea you  just never know what can happen is 80% dreaming. There is the odd exception but as a whole the best team wins. You can't plan with dreams … IMO or I can't and I doubt management can. The concept is a fallacy. There's always a chnace you can win the lottery  :) 

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10 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

He came to camp clearly out of shape originally ie he was totally unaware of the NHL bar setting. I think that's undisputed. We hope he knows better next time, assuming there is a next time.

The idea you  just never know what can happen is 80% dreaming. There is the odd exception but as a whole the best team wins. You can't plan with dreams … IMO or I can't and I doubt management can. The concept is a fallacy. There's always a chnace you can win the lottery  :) 

Hence why people continue to play. If you think you're going to lose anyway and you don't buy lottery tickets, then you'll surely not win.

 

Yes the best team wins, but who knows what that best team may be at any given year or time? Tampa was outright dominant last year, so they were the best team right? Swept in the first round I believe. St Louis were dead last at around the halfway mark, should they have given up already? When LA won their cup, they were an 8th seed. You make the playoffs, you never know. Teams aren't writing themselves off (aside from obvious bottom feeders in which we are no longer). You don't write off years in hopes that you'll be a contender 3 years down the line, that's just as much dreaming as you don't know if players will progress the way you expect them to. You can't predict injuries and such that could derail this "plan" and have years simply gone to waste. We simply continue to progress, aim for the playoffs, and then see where that takes you. You lose, it's still experience. Let the prospects decide their fate by earning their spots. This ideology hasn't changed during Benning's tenue where if young players are good enough, they will make room for them. The difference now is the competition is getting stiffer, but that's how you continue to push your prospects to be even better and the cream will rise to the top.

 

You are judging a Tryamkin from 4 years ago that despite his shortcomings then was still an impactful player and made his presence known. He has come out and said he wasn't mentally prepared during his time here. He has stated himself that he wasn't mature enough and that in itself shows a sign a maturity. He has been in good shape in the KHL and has been a leader there. He has grown and those who have been following him during his time in the KHL know this rather than continue to live in the past and think he's the same player as then and simply has twiddled his thumbs in the KHL. All signs suggest that he wants to return, just waiting on the cap picture to clear up.

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36 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

He came to camp clearly out of shape originally ie he was totally unaware of the NHL bar setting. I think that's undisputed. We hope he knows better next time, assuming there is a next time.

The idea you  just never know what can happen is 80% dreaming. There is the odd exception but as a whole the best team wins. You can't plan with dreams … IMO or I can't and I doubt management can. The concept is a fallacy. There's always a chnace you can win the lottery  :) 

You obviously haven't been keeping up or watching his development this past while. Your in for a nice surprise when you see where his game has come.

The thing that intrigues me is how he will deal with the 'after the whistle' stuff. He was caught off guard last time but I think he's going to be loaded for bear this time.

He hits hard, still, which is a big dinner bell for the cheap shot artists.

He took the conditioning notes to heart when he left. He could use some boxing lessons.

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I'm just not a dreamer, but that's just me and no I don't waste my hard earned cash on lottery tickets :lol: I'm all for Tryamkin signing but words and good intentions are cheap. I just hope he turns up in shape, if he screws up again I suspect that will be it. SC are not built on dreams but a lot of hard work and tough decissions, IMO anyways. I hope JB goes to the office every day and plans for the future rather than smoke a joint and dream :lol: :lol:

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2 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:

You obviously haven't been keeping up or watching his development this past while. Your in for a nice surprise when you see where his game has come.

The thing that intrigues me is how he will deal with the 'after the whistle' stuff. He was caught off guard last time but I think he's going to be loaded for bear this time.

He hits hard, still, which is a big dinner bell for the cheap shot artists.

He took the conditioning notes to heart when he left. He could use some boxing lessons.

No I haven't watched him studiously and I hope you're correct. The tough part for scouts is trying to compare when they're in different leagues. What I do see is Nicklas Jensen ( late of the Canucks) was third top point producers in the KHL play-offs and I also note he didn't make the Russian national teams. Lets just hope. The KHL is a mix of ice sizes lets hope the smaller ice will help him

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12 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

No I haven't watched him studiously and I hope you're correct. The tough part for scouts is trying to compare when they're in different leagues. What I do see is Nicklas Jensen ( late of the Canucks) was third top point producers in the KHL play-offs and I also note he didn't make the Russian national teams. Lets just hope. The KHL is a mix of ice sizes lets hope the smaller ice will help him

I wouldn't compare forwards and D. Especially from the KHL. They just switched to smaller ice but the D used to have a football field to cover. The only players of value in the K are a few big D men. Most of their best forwards are NHL discards. Or KHL lifers. 

KHL is better on the body, Not as violent as the NHL.

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11 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

I'm just not a dreamer, but that's just me and no I don't waste my hard earned cash on lottery tickets :lol: I'm all for Tryamkin signing but words and good intentions are cheap. I just hope he turns up in shape, if he screws up again I suspect that will be it. SC are not built on dreams but a lot of hard work and tough decissions, IMO anyways. I hope JB goes to the office every day and plans for the future rather than smoke a joint and dream :lol: :lol:

Which is why prospects have to earn their spots rather than be handed spots for "development". That's where the hard work comes in. The tough decisions is when those prospects prove they are worthy of a spot, then you have to decide who to cut or make trades from depth positions to bolster weaker areas.

 

I'm confident that JB is doing his job planning. That still doesn't mean you toss away seasons thinking you won't win. He's planning year by year on what tweaks are needed to hopefully get us to the holy grail and that could happen in any given year if everything comes together that season.

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21 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

No I haven't watched him studiously and I hope you're correct. The tough part for scouts is trying to compare when they're in different leagues. What I do see is Nicklas Jensen ( late of the Canucks) was third top point producers in the KHL play-offs and I also note he didn't make the Russian national teams. Lets just hope. The KHL is a mix of ice sizes lets hope the smaller ice will help him

Pretty tough for a Dane to crack the Russian national teams. He's played for Denmark internationally though.

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58 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

Pretty tough for a Dane to crack the Russian national teams. He's played for Denmark internationally though.

Is that A) obtuse or B) joking. I was talking about Tryamkin and used Jensen as an example of the competition he faces in the KHL. :rolleyes:

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10 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

Is that A) obtuse or B) joking. I was talking about Tryamkin and used Jensen as an example of the competition he faces in the KHL. :rolleyes:

Probably A as I must've misread what you were saying. My bad.

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